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dcdeadbeat

join:2008-10-07
Washington, DC
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reply to r81984
Re: How can you patent something you did not invent???

said by r81984 See Profile :

Why wouldn't these companies just make their own DVRs?
Tivo sucks and likes to pretend they invented the DVR, but everyone knows they did not.

The Echo Star case was about this: "TiVo's patent for "Time Warp" software, which allows users to record one TV program while watching another." (this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims)
I do not see how you can patent such a broad thing like this when computer software and hardware has been doing this before Tivo was invented. Also, I am sure there are 1000 of ways to accomplish this task so if Tivo patented one why not just use one of the other 999 ways?

If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense.
You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording.

Many courts have upheld the patent. So just give in an buy a TIVO like everyone else. I did and now I am a very happy person.


r81984
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I do not see the point of a DVR that you need a monthly subscription for or why you have to pay so much for a cheap computer with a harddrive and dual tv tuners.

Also, why is Tivo ignoring all the computer software that does dual tuners and everything a TIVO does + more. It seems like they are not really enforcing what they like to pretend they invented with a vague patent in 2001 (years after the technology was really invented).
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Neyland

join:2003-02-04
USA

reply to dcdeadbeat
I have a Tivo and really HATE not having the current tuned channel in a window while I look at settings, recorded content, etc.

And the unit (Tivo HD) menu system is horrendously slow compared to the Dish interface or Comcast's.

Of course I'm sure someone probably holds the patent speedy interface or tuned picture in a window.

Next you'll hear, sir you owe us royalties for the 'Fold the toilet paper in squares before you wipe your butt' method of personal hygiene. We patented that back in 1820.

curtis33

join:2007-12-24
Fort Worth, TX

reply to dcdeadbeat
"You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording."

Most DVRs can't display a direct picture. Everything you see comes off the hard drive. That's how you can pause and rewind the live picture. In other words, there is always recording going on even if you are just watching a "live" picture.

wierdo

join:2001-02-16
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reply to Neyland
said by Neyland See Profile :

I have a Tivo and really HATE not having the current tuned channel in a window while I look at settings, recorded content, etc.
Interestingly, I don't like DVRs that have the current channel in a window while I'm in the menu. More than once a TV show or movie has been spoiled for me by that.

If you don't ever watch Live TV, which is the use case TiVo is designed for, there is no good that can come of having that window.
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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reply to curtis33
said by curtis33 See Profile :

"You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording."

Most DVRs can't display a direct picture. Everything you see comes off the hard drive. That's how you can pause and rewind the live picture. In other words, there is always recording going on even if you are just watching a "live" picture.
I'd be surprised if this were true. I've had a hard drive completely crash and I was still able to watch live TV until the DVR was replaced. There aren't really that many different types of DVR's out there, this was a Scientific Atlanta with Comcast.


Neyland

join:2003-02-04
USA
reply to wierdo
If the 'use case' is to never watch live TV on a Tivo, why offer the ability?

I feel this is your opinion more so than anything else.


TivoIsGoodTele

@holdenandrew.com
reply to Neyland
Interesting. My personal preference is Tivo's over Time Warner's own. TW's interface is just unintuitive.
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