Topic 'Is Blu-Ray a Failure?' in forum 'Audio/Video Chat' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22593767 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:31:07 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:31:07 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22710351 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22710351 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:07:19 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709723 said by Michail:

I hate to stereotype but I've noticed many women don't seem to notice picture quality. Same with high quality audio also.

I'd often find my ex had turned off the subwoofer. Also she would often watch a SD channel when it was available in HD.
Wow....small world! My wife must be your ex! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709723 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:32 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709526 said by Michail:

I hate to stereotype but I've noticed many women don't seem to notice picture quality. Same with high quality audio also.

I'd often find my ex had turned off the subwoofer. Also she would often watch a SD channel when it was available in HD.
I have seen this too.. And I know a few member who ordered a HD tv and have a HD cable box but still picks the SD feed for the channel when a HD channel is offered.

I can't stand a cropped 4:3 show on a HD feed.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709526 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:18:59 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709104
I'd often find my ex had turned off the subwoofer. Also she would often watch a SD channel when it was available in HD. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22709104 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:59:02 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22708137 said by BF69:

said by Subaru:

said by SKYHN:

The main thing is seeing the difference, because it truly is amazing. But at the same time, everyones old SD tv still is functioning fine. I think within the next 2 years it should really take off.
Agree.. I showed my mom something simple a full screen SD tv show and a HD tv show of the same program.. she said "It looks the same to me!"

I'm like you can't tell that it's not sharper? Maybe it's because my screen size is only 20.1"? maybe with the new 24" she might notice?
Is that a TV or monitor? And no at 20 inches or even 24 you're not going to see much difference. Was the "HD" blu-ray or "HD" off the internet or TV. Completely different animals. A "HD" download or even HD program off of TV can't compare to blu-ray.
I was using it as a example she's seen blueray in stores and still can't tell that it's better...

oh well
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22708137 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:34:30 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22708128 said by Subaru:

said by SKYHN:

The main thing is seeing the difference, because it truly is amazing. But at the same time, everyones old SD tv still is functioning fine. I think within the next 2 years it should really take off.
Agree.. I showed my mom something simple a full screen SD tv show and a HD tv show of the same program.. she said "It looks the same to me!"

I'm like you can't tell that it's not sharper? Maybe it's because my screen size is only 20.1"? maybe with the new 24" she might notice?
How far away was she from the display?
Was it a 1080 capable display?

*IF* you are within the proper distance from the display, you CAN tell the difference.
If you are outside the ideal viewing distance, the difference becomes less noticable.

Ideally, for a 20" display(1080), 2.2 - 3 feet viewing distance is recommended... like sitting at a desk looking at a monitor
Standing behind a person at that desk - 4+ feet or more - that hoses the ability to reslove properly. :(
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said by SKYHN:

The main thing is seeing the difference, because it truly is amazing. But at the same time, everyones old SD tv still is functioning fine. I think within the next 2 years it should really take off.
Agree.. I showed my mom something simple a full screen SD tv show and a HD tv show of the same program.. she said "It looks the same to me!"

I'm like you can't tell that it's not sharper? Maybe it's because my screen size is only 20.1"? maybe with the new 24" she might notice?
Is that a TV or monitor? And no at 20 inches or even 24 you're not going to see much difference. Was the "HD" blu-ray or "HD" off the internet or TV. Completely different animals. A "HD" download or even HD program off of TV can't compare to blu-ray.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22707750 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:09 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22707327 said by SKYHN:

The main thing is seeing the difference, because it truly is amazing. But at the same time, everyones old SD tv still is functioning fine. I think within the next 2 years it should really take off.
Agree.. I showed my mom something simple a full screen SD tv show and a HD tv show of the same program.. she said "It looks the same to me!"

I'm like you can't tell that it's not sharper? Maybe it's because my screen size is only 20.1"? maybe with the new 24" she might notice?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22707327 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:04 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697348 said by BF69:

A side benefit of blu-ray, DVD are priced lower than ever.
I used to go to Best Buy on a weekly basis for their $3.99 DVD sales--lots of good and popular movies (the good stuff). Now, they sometimes have $4.99 sales, but mostly it's $6.99 and $9.99. $3.99 sales there are few and far between. So, I don't buy as much stuff as I used to--still waiting for those good ol' $3.99 sale days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697348 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:39:00 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697344 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697344 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:36:11 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697323 said by BF69:

said by C0deZer0:

Yes, it might be resolved now, but what has been done to assure that another foul-up like it won't happen again?
You know you can say that about ANYTHING and everything in life. Does that stop you from buying those other things?

And has anything been done for all those that had been afflicted by these bad BD players and movies?
A) Google is your friend

B) Really what does that have to do with anything? You obviously dont like blu-ray so fine whatever. You're just being nitpicky now to make your point. Just say you don't like it and be done with it.

A side benefit of blu-ray, DVD are priced lower than ever. Do you think they'd be that way if blu-ray didn't exist? Used to be on only movies you get in the $5 or less bargin bin at wal-mart were fullscreen DVD of 15-20-25 year old movies. Now you can get widescreen verisons of not to old movies.
Widescreen blech!
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Yes, it might be resolved now, but what has been done to assure that another foul-up like it won't happen again?You know you can say that about ANYTHING and everything in life. Does that stop you from buying those other things?

And has anything been done for all those that had been afflicted by these bad BD players and movies?
A) Google is your friend

B) Really what does that have to do with anything? You obviously dont like blu-ray so fine whatever. You're just being nitpicky now to make your point. Just say you don't like it and be done with it.

A side benefit of blu-ray, DVD are priced lower than ever. Do you think they'd be that way if blu-ray didn't exist? Used to be on only movies you get in the $5 or less bargin bin at wal-mart were fullscreen DVD of 15-20-25 year old movies. Now you can get widescreen verisons of not to old movies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697301 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:20:36 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22697086 --
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said by BF69:

Ok first of all blu-ray should be able to play on all players. There were a few mistakes made and those movies were sent back. So that's a bogus reason. Also all the blu-ray players wal-mart sells are at least profile 1.1. Thirdly it's call firmware update. How else do you think a PS3 that is 3 years old can be profile 2.0?
That and it was at least built with a programmable optical drive in mind.

How many profile 1.* stand-alone players out there haven't already been obsolesced because their internal firmware couldn't understand how to work with 2.0? or that the manufacturer has stopped supporting it with updates before it could understand 2.0 features and 2.0 DRM? How many people have had to basically return their brand new bluray players when a new Fox movie with brand new DRM won't play on their systems? I remember for a while, it seemed like every new Fox movie release had some new DRM that FUBAR'd like half the players on the market. And only the ps3 was able to actually keep up with the constant updates that required.
And those players would have been taken off the market and the issue with the FOX movies have been fixed. So are you bringing it up?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22696639 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:15:17 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22695634 said by BF69:

Ok first of all blu-ray should be able to play on all players. There were a few mistakes made and those movies were sent back. So that's a bogus reason. Also all the blu-ray players wal-mart sells are at least profile 1.1. Thirdly it's call firmware update. How else do you think a PS3 that is 3 years old can be profile 2.0?That and it was at least built with a programmable optical drive in mind.

How many profile 1.* stand-alone players out there haven't already been obsolesced because their internal firmware couldn't understand how to work with 2.0? or that the manufacturer has stopped supporting it with updates before it could understand 2.0 features and 2.0 DRM? How many people have had to basically return their brand new bluray players when a new Fox movie with brand new DRM won't play on their systems? I remember for a while, it seemed like every new Fox movie release had some new DRM that FUBAR'd like half the players on the market. And only the ps3 was able to actually keep up with the constant updates that required.
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said by BF69:

said by seangprice:

Blu-Ray is this Decades laser disc, my opinion of course. It costs to much for the average person to get involved with the Tech. I know there are cheaper offerings, but they are severely lacking the capabilities of the full blown players.

There is no doubt that the BD quality is awesome, but I have chosen to go with video on demand from amazon over my Tivo, and Netflix combined with my computers and xbox360. The picture and sound may not equal a BD movie, but the convenience and cost are right for me.
You can get a blu-ray player for $128 at wal-mart. And most people aren't videophiles they just want to watch movies and that's all they need. Stuff like BD-Live which requires a connection to the internet which if you don't have broadband is pretty useless even if it's something you want.
However there have been reports of the movie not playing if the profile isn't right so its not just always about the fluff on the disc!
Ok first of all blu-ray should be able to play on all players. There were a few mistakes made and those movies were sent back. So that's a bogus reason. Also all the blu-ray players wal-mart sells are at least profile 1.1. Thirdly it's call firmware update. How else do you think a PS3 that is 3 years old can be profile 2.0?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22695506 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:02:11 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22695499 said by dvd536:

However there have been reports of the movie not playing if the profile isn't right so its not just always about the fluff on the disc!
Ancient history from the early days of the standard. Anybody with a current generation profile 1.1 player should be good to go. There are too many players out there now for any more major changes.
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said by seangprice:

Blu-Ray is this Decades laser disc, my opinion of course. It costs to much for the average person to get involved with the Tech. I know there are cheaper offerings, but they are severely lacking the capabilities of the full blown players.

There is no doubt that the BD quality is awesome, but I have chosen to go with video on demand from amazon over my Tivo, and Netflix combined with my computers and xbox360. The picture and sound may not equal a BD movie, but the convenience and cost are right for me.
You can get a blu-ray player for $128 at wal-mart. And most people aren't videophiles they just want to watch movies and that's all they need. Stuff like BD-Live which requires a connection to the internet which if you don't have broadband is pretty useless even if it's something you want.However there have been reports of the movie not playing if the profile isn't right so its not just always about the fluff on the disc!
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Blu-Ray is this Decades laser disc, my opinion of course. It costs to much for the average person to get involved with the Tech. I know there are cheaper offerings, but they are severely lacking the capabilities of the full blown players.

There is no doubt that the BD quality is awesome, but I have chosen to go with video on demand from amazon over my Tivo, and Netflix combined with my computers and xbox360. The picture and sound may not equal a BD movie, but the convenience and cost are right for me.
You can get a blu-ray player for $128 at wal-mart. And most people aren't videophiles they just want to watch movies and that's all they need. Stuff like BD-Live which requires a connection to the internet which if you don't have broadband is pretty useless even if it's something you want.

A $29 DVD palyer doesn't do much. Doesn't stop people from buying the low-end products. Are Vizios HQ TVs? Nope, but they sell the most.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22655045 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:58:32 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22654827
There is no doubt that the BD quality is awesome, but I have chosen to go with video on demand from amazon over my Tivo, and Netflix combined with my computers and xbox360. The picture and sound may not equal a BD movie, but the convenience and cost are right for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22654827 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:39:34 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22622788 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22622788 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:24:04 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22622591 said by Loco:

Yep, it's a big failure.

I have a Sony Blu-Ray player here at home and we rarely even use it.
So because you don't use it, it's a failure.

Right. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22622591 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:38:00 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22620910 said by Matt:

said by Michail:

Those older CRT TV sets last forever. The same can't be said for the newer technologies. They either don't last as long or become obsolete.
And a CRT doesn't become obsolete?
They had longer lifespans back in the day and I suspect there will be many in service for years to come.

Compare that to HD sets. There are never enough inputs, the HDMI spec is always getting upgraded. The bulk of the low end LCD panels have an inferior picture quality (though better than a SD set in most regards).

I just think people into HD TV will probably upgrade theirs sets a time or two while others will hold on to their 24" SD CRT for years to come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22620910 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:27:37 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22620332 I replaced it with a nice 42" 1080p display.
No sense is replacing a 24" with another 24"(no CRTs) if there are a shitload of bigger and better HDTVs available, right?

HDMI and one of my BD laptops - think about it. :)
With the average life of a LCD at 40,000 to 50,000 hours... I'm ok for about 5 years of continuous use.
More if the set gets switched off occasionally.

Think I'll watch Transformers Blu-ray... ;)
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Those older CRT TV sets last forever. The same can't be said for the newer technologies. They either don't last as long or become obsolete.
And a CRT doesn't become obsolete?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22619995 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:57:54 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22619987 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22619987 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:56:04 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22619158
And in terms of why it hasnt taken off yet as a whole, I think that the HDTV market is not exactly strong enough yet with people. Granted you walk into bestbuy and all you can buy is an HDTV now, you still have that large majority of people who do not have one and are not interested in it yet. I think its going to take a major push from all of the TV and movie companies to really get it going. The main thing is seeing the difference, because it truly is amazing. But at the same time, everyones old SD tv still is functioning fine. I think within the next 2 years it should really take off.
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Thumbs up for the Aenima image as an avatar!
LOL... I had to google Aenima to realize what you're referring to! ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22616199 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:47 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22614694 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22614694 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:29:32 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22613429
Other than cost, I worry about how fast things change. From 1999 till a few months ago I was fine with DVD but I'm not so sure Blu-Ray will last that long before something bigger and better comes along. With HDTVs coming out with 3D stuff, web capabilities, and plenty of other crap it looks like some of us will need to buy yet another TV if we want to join in on all the upcoming fun. Not sure how accurate the info is but I recently read about "Managed Copy" for making a copy of a Blu-Ray disc, which looks to require new hardware and only works with copy enabled discs.

Maybe when things settle down with cost and if features stop changing so often, more people will start buying Blu-Ray and it'll look to be more of a success.
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I've seen people complain about the PS3 also but don't have first hand experience with the sound it produces in home.

My house is cool and I'm not sure about the revision of the xbox. I don't know how many decibels would register but for me it's more of the pitch the xbox makes. It grates on the nerves. When I really notice it is when it gets turned off and I get a feeling of relief. In contrast my central AC doesn't bother me at all.
That is weird. I couldn't take it pre-Dashboard update, but now I don't notice it at all. People are sensitive to different pitches and frequencies though and honestly, it's too loud however you look at it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610670 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:32:33 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610653 said by Michail:

I've seen people complain about the PS3 also but don't have first hand experience with the sound it produces in home.

My house is cool and I'm not sure about the revision of the xbox. I don't know how many decibels would register but for me it's more of the pitch the xbox makes. It grates on the nerves. When I really notice it is when it gets turned off and I get a feeling of relief. In contrast my central AC doesn't bother me at all.
Yeah it is strange how that works. I wonder why that is where AC noise doesn't bother us but computer, dvd, and blu ray such devices can ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610653 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:30:40 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610525
My house is cool and I'm not sure about the revision of the xbox. I don't know how many decibels would register but for me it's more of the pitch the xbox makes. It grates on the nerves. When I really notice it is when it gets turned off and I get a feeling of relief. In contrast my central AC doesn't bother me at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610525 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:04:04 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22610425 said by Matt:

That has been fixed on the 360 with the dashboard update released last year. I hear the PS3 is near silent anyway.Depends on the revision.

The original models (20/60 - a.k.a. the ones that were actually any good), were not silent, and depending how warm the room was, it can make the fans kick on.

The newer units (significantly neutered IMO by comparison) also benefit from the smaller manufacturing process and generate less heat to begin with. But combined with the added ventilation and cooling, are able to stay cooler easier, and thus not need full-speed airflow as much.
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said by Rook008:

If I thought Blu-Ray was worth the price right now, the PS3 is the player I would get.
Careful about that. Game consoles make so much noise they can ruin a viewing experience. One reason I never used Netflix on my xbox 360.
That has been fixed on the 360 with the dashboard update released last year. I hear the PS3 is near silent anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609922 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:29:50 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609855 said by Rook008:

If I thought Blu-Ray was worth the price right now, the PS3 is the player I would get.
Careful about that. Game consoles make so much noise they can ruin a viewing experience. One reason I never used Netflix on my xbox 360.

I would use Netflix on my Blu-ray player but if given the choice a Blu-ray disk would be the first choice. I want True HD Audio, not stereo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609855 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:17:50 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609649 said by Matt:

said by Rook008:

Philips DVP 5990. Best DVD Player I've ever had. Plays every disc I've ever put in it, plus Movies on a USB Stick. Upconverts too. Had it for almost a year and never a problem with it. Bought it for around $40.
No kidding. I have a $49 DMTech that I bought 5 years ago that is still going strong. Plays all kinds of crazy formats too that my Sony (which was $299) won't.
If you paid $299 for a DVD player it had to be nearly 10 years ago thus you can't compare it because of course 10 year old technology is going to be obsolete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609649 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:45:42 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609634
But anyway, I think Sony has made some small missteps with the PS3, but I hear it's a great Blu-Ray and DVD Player overall.
If I thought Blu-Ray was worth the price right now, the PS3 is the player I would get.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609634 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:43:28 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609536 said by Rook008:

I Had a Sony that wouldn't even play PAL discs. And it was over $100 when I bought it.
But it's a Sony, it's supposed to be better, right? Right....
Sony's ps3 was supposed to receive an update that would allow playing PAL encoded discs that were not region-locked. Yet even in all of my testing and tryouts and the subsequent updates, that has yet to actually happen.

Conversely, the xbox 360 doesn't care and will play it no problem - with full extras and resolution.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609286 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:47:40 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609225 said by Rook008:

Philips DVP 5990. Best DVD Player I've ever had. Plays every disc I've ever put in it, plus Movies on a USB Stick. Upconverts too. Had it for almost a year and never a problem with it. Bought it for around $40.
No kidding. I have a $49 DMTech that I bought 5 years ago that is still going strong. Plays all kinds of crazy formats too that my Sony (which was $299) won't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609225 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:39:05 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609195 said by BF69:

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DVD players that are $30 are total crap. I wouldn't even buy one of those. Show me a DVD player under $50( especially one that supposedly upcovnerts ) and I'll show you a DVD player that's broken within 6 months.
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Philips DVP 5990. Best DVD Player I've ever had. Plays every disc I've ever put in it, plus Movies on a USB Stick. Upconverts too. Had it for almost a year and never a problem with it. Bought it for around $40.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22609195 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:35:14 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608339 said by imtim83:

said by BF69:

said by xrobertcmx:

Price is absolutly one reason. I have both a PS3 and an HD TV. What I don't have is $30.00 a disk to buy them.
Where are these $30 blu-rays?

here are new movies on blu-ray

Gran Torino (With BD-Live + Digital Copy) (Widescreen) $24.86

Twilight $23.86

Taken (Blu-ray) (2-Disc) (Extended Cut With Digital Copy) $22.86

Watchmen: Director's Cut (2-Disc Special Edition) (With BD Live + Digital Copy) $24.86

Fast & Furious: Special Edition (Blu-ray With BD-Live) (2-Disc) $24.86

Knowing $23.86

Paul Blart: Mall Cop (2-Disc) (With Digital Copy & BD-Live) (Blu-ray) $23.86

Valkyrie (With Digital Copy) $24.96

Sorry I can't find a blu-ray movie for over $25. And most of those listed also come with a digital copy.
Oh my god those are all hollywood films with many being horrible. Sorry but until the market for blu-ray includes foreign films too forget about blu-ray.
A) foreign films were enver specified

B) "quality" was never specified and how one would quantify that is impossible anyways.

All that was mentioned was "I won't buy blu-rays because they are $30" and I've proven there are no $30 blu-rays. there WERE which must mean prices are dropping liek they did with DVDs and VHS. So if people would quit bitching and let the market take it's course you'll get you blu-rays priced the same as DVDs before too long. Hell it took a decade and a half for a new movie on VHS to be under $20. Less than 18 months removed from the end of the format war and you expect $5 blu-rays.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608339 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:07:31 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608304 said by Matt:

I agree that price is a barrier. I wonder though, will the price of entry for Blu-Ray drop fast enough before an alternative contender shows up? A quick perusal of Best Buy.com shows there are no-name brands going for $199, which is much closer to the proper price point.
My local wal-mart which isn't a very big one has at least 3 name brand models under $200]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608304 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:01:08 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608086
»www.engadgethd.com/2009/06/25/vi···ve-next/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22608086 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:24:56 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607914 said by Matt:

said by Michail:

Not to mention, I think it's possible blu-ray players could eventually hit a price point that even people with SD sets would consider them. There wouldn't be too much of a benefit for them other than better and faster disk menus and future proofing their library.
I agree that price is a barrier. I wonder though, will the price of entry for Blu-Ray drop fast enough before an alternative contender shows up? A quick perusal of Best Buy.com shows there are no-name brands going for $199, which is much closer to the proper price point.

I wonder how low Blu-Ray can go since Sony requires a licensing fee however? I'm also curious to know if the firmware updates will be a deterrent. I've had several people call me about firmware updates because they didn't understand how to perform them and couldn't watch a movie.
That sucks for them. I have a feeling a lot of people don't even want to deal with that kind of problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607914 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:57:39 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607898 said by BF69:

said by xrobertcmx:

Price is absolutly one reason. I have both a PS3 and an HD TV. What I don't have is $30.00 a disk to buy them.
Where are these $30 blu-rays?

here are new movies on blu-ray

Gran Torino (With BD-Live + Digital Copy) (Widescreen) $24.86

Twilight $23.86

Taken (Blu-ray) (2-Disc) (Extended Cut With Digital Copy) $22.86

Watchmen: Director's Cut (2-Disc Special Edition) (With BD Live + Digital Copy) $24.86

Fast & Furious: Special Edition (Blu-ray With BD-Live) (2-Disc) $24.86

Knowing $23.86

Paul Blart: Mall Cop (2-Disc) (With Digital Copy & BD-Live) (Blu-ray) $23.86

Valkyrie (With Digital Copy) $24.96

Sorry I can't find a blu-ray movie for over $25. And most of those listed also come with a digital copy.
Oh my god those are all hollywood films with many being horrible. Sorry but until the market for blu-ray includes foreign films too forget about blu-ray.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607898 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:55:12 EDT Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607718 said by Michail:

Not to mention, I think it's possible blu-ray players could eventually hit a price point that even people with SD sets would consider them. There wouldn't be too much of a benefit for them other than better and faster disk menus and future proofing their library.
I agree that price is a barrier. I wonder though, will the price of entry for Blu-Ray drop fast enough before an alternative contender shows up? A quick perusal of Best Buy.com shows there are no-name brands going for $199, which is much closer to the proper price point.

I wonder how low Blu-Ray can go since Sony requires a licensing fee however? I'm also curious to know if the firmware updates will be a deterrent. I've had several people call me about firmware updates because they didn't understand how to perform them and couldn't watch a movie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-BluRay-a-Failure-22607718 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:16:46 EDT