dadkins
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Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure?
As the digital age ascends upon us, more and more people will be getting new HDTVs.
No amount of up-conversion can ever get close to Blu-ray - and after dropping 1-4 Grand on a new killer display, people will want to feed it the best available.
Hate to break this news to people, Blu-ray is it! 
Been trying to tell people for years now(just like way back when with DVDs), New and Improved!
DVDs are SD, period!
HDTVs need a HD source.
Cable and Sat - they do ok.
OTA is better!
Blu-ray stomps them all in the weeds.
Streaming or downloads? When ISPs are starting to cap us?
Yeah, that'll work out well, won't it? 
Nothing will ever replace Physical Media.
If my internet chokes and pukes, I can still play one of my discs.
If I am away, I can still play one of my discs.
If I come visit you, I can bring a few of my discs.
These articles and "blogs" are amusing! LOL!
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| said by dadkins  :DVDs are SD, period! HDTVs need a HD source. Cable and Sat - they do ok. OTA is better! Blu-ray stomps them all in the weeds. DVDs may be SD, but they're mostly anamorphic widescreen and film material can be output in progressive scan mode, which makes them look significantly better than typical broadcast SD on HDTVs.
Bluray simply isn't cheap enough for average people to get that itch to start collecting. They need to drop those prices to DVD levels really soon, because online/VOD rental convenience WILL eat into their potential market. People are easily fooled into thinking that 1080p online rentals are "bluray quality" just as they think horrid XM/Sirius satellite radio is "CD quality".
DVD really exploded when the sub-$10 bargain bins started popping up. Bluray needs to folllow that example.
Although I'm a fan of high quality, even I have to admit, on my 50" plasma, MPEG-4 HD movies converted down to DVD size (4.7gb) still looks very good, much better than DVD.
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dadkins
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| Blu-ray just celebrated it's 3 year birthday - June 20, 2006.
3 years in and Blu-ray is doing way better than DVD did, and prices are dropping WAY faster than DVD has.
How many years did DVD take to be adopted?
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| I agree that Blu-Ray just needs time, but DVD was a huge step up from what many were using when DVD was introduced (VHS tapes). Except for better Video and Audio, if you have the right set-up to see and hear the difference, Blu-Ray isn't such an improvement over DVD.
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dadkins
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| said by Rook008 :I agree that Blu-Ray just needs time, but DVD was a huge step up from what many were using when DVD was introduced (VHS tapes). Except for better Video and Audio, if you have the right set-up to see and hear the difference, Blu-Ray isn't such an improvement over DVD. Many people(seen it here even) are displaying Blu-ray on 720p HDTVs and they have stated there isn't that great of a difference - well, Yeah!
You're only missing a million pixels.
If you have a good 1080p HDTV and are viewing it from the proper distance for fully resolved 1080p - you can really see the difference.
Just switching channels on your HDTV service you can tell between the 720 channels and the 1080 channels.
Blu-ray -1920x1080.
vs
DVD - 720x480.
*I* can sure see the difference.
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Rook008
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| I think you've mentioned that you can see the difference somewhere before. 
But for the Blu-Ray experience to be really different, you would need a Blu-Ray Player, a 1080p TV, a receiver that can output the improved Audio, and be within the proper viewing range. The first time I watched some 1080p content on my 37" LCD from about 8 feet away, I was not blown away. Re-arranging my TV room seemed like too much to ask for a better picture.
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dvd536
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As was David, I was also blown away by blu ray.
Now i have to really like a movie to pay the $10+ premium you pay for the blu ray version.
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dadkins
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said by Rook008 :I think you've mentioned that you can see the difference somewhere before. But for the Blu-Ray experience to be really different, you would need a Blu-Ray Player, a 1080p TV, a receiver that can output the improved Audio, and be within the proper viewing range. The first time I watched some 1080p content on my 37" LCD from about 8 feet away, I was not blown away. Re-arranging my TV room seemed like too much to ask for a better picture. This is where research is key.
I did the math - 22" from my 17" 1920x1200 laptop - spot on!
My 42" 1080p HDTV and 5.5-6 feet away - well within the ideal range for fully resolved 1080.
8 feet with a 37"? No doubt you can't see the difference.
Try it from 4 feet.
With Old School TVs, VHS to DVD is a questionable step up(at any distance).
On a semi-decent HDTV, at the proper distance, DVD to Blu-ray is very discernible.
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Rook008
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| Yeah, from around 4 or so feet, it does look better. Just not better enough (is that even English?) to warrant the price increase. Plus it seems a bit too close to sit to watch TV.
And a 60" TV (8 foot viewing distance) was a bit too far out of my price range.
As for the VHS to DVD transition, the physical media, extras on disc, and ease of use (chapter selection, language and subtitle selection, no more rewinding tape! etc.) were also much better when switching. The slightly better video and audio was just one improvement over VHS.
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BF69
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said by dadkins :said by Rook008 :I agree that Blu-Ray just needs time, but DVD was a huge step up from what many were using when DVD was introduced (VHS tapes). Except for better Video and Audio, if you have the right set-up to see and hear the difference, Blu-Ray isn't such an improvement over DVD. Many people(seen it here even) are displaying Blu-ray on 720p HDTVs and they have stated there isn't that great of a difference - well, Yeah! You're only missing a million pixels. If you have a good 1080p HDTV and are viewing it from the proper distance for fully resolved 1080p - you can really see the difference. Just switching channels on your HDTV service you can tell between the 720 channels and the 1080 channels. Blu-ray -1920x1080. vs DVD - 720x480. *I* can sure see the difference. I'll say this I have never seen blu-ray on a 720p TV, but I can sure tell a differnce between a show in 480i and one in 720p even on a 32 inch TV. So logic would dictate I would be able to tell at least SOME kind of difference between a blu-ray movie even if down converted to 720p and a 420p DVD. |
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