 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by curtis33:TiVo's patent has been reexamined by the USPTO upon the request of Echostar and subsequently validated without a single word being changed. If their high priced lawyers couldn't uncover prior art I'm guessing the readers of this board haven't either. If ReplayTV had not been destroyed by the Hollywood copyright Facists then Tivo would never be in the position they are in now.
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1 edit | said by KrK:said by curtis33:TiVo's patent has been reexamined by the USPTO upon the request of Echostar and subsequently validated without a single word being changed. If their high priced lawyers couldn't uncover prior art I'm guessing the readers of this board haven't either. If ReplayTV had not been destroyed by the Hollywood copyright Facists then Tivo would never be in the position they are in now. Yeah, I miss ReplayTV. I still have a couple of their units with lifetime. I don't use them because they aren't HD. But, they had features that Tivo is only now starting to implement--years later. |
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| They are/were sweet units. They pushed the parameters out on what was available for users--- Imagine if all this time they'd been continuing to build new units and improve.
ReplayTV and Tivo were developed side by side at the same time yet completely separate efforts. I personally feel that some of the patents Tivo now enjoys exclusive control of would have worked out differently if ReplayTV was around. For example if Tivo sued ReplayTV in much the same manner they did Dish they'd not have won IMHO.
Ah well, it's water under the bridge at this point. I just wish consumers had more choices for DVR's that DON'T require monthly fees. Other then a build-your-own, I don't think that's available atm.
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If ReplayTV had not been destroyed by the Hollywood copyright Facists then Tivo would never be in the position they are in now.
The ReplayTV patents are still there. They aren't even related to the TiVo patents. The USPTO is fully aware of both patents. Echostar was fully aware of both patents when they asked the patent office to do a reexamination and yet the patent office validated every single word of TiVo's patent. |
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| That's missing the point of my post, somewhat. Completely accurate as to the situation now, but my post was a hypothetical if ReplayTV had stayed around and continued inventing and patenting then Tivo wouldn't be able to have exclusive control of patents they've been granted since, if you will. Especially if you'd consider prior art or extensions of existing technology (obviousness).
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tivo sucks or anything like that, but I do dislike business models which consist of forcing other companies to pay or consumers to pay for services or fees they should be getting already included or available free.
One day I will build my own full on Media Center/DVR HD system and it will be a moot point, but basically the way it looks now, whether I choose DBS or Cable, I'm going to have be paying Tivo extra fees if I want DVR features. Whether directly to Tivo or via my provider's bills for their inbuilt payments to Tivo really matters not to me. :/
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| said by KrK:basically the way it looks now, whether I choose DBS or Cable, I'm going to have be paying Tivo extra fees if I want DVR features. Whether directly to Tivo or via my provider's bills for their inbuilt payments to Tivo really matters not to me. :/ Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? |
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Ashburn, VA | reply to curtis33
said by curtis33:said by KrK:basically the way it looks now, whether I choose DBS or Cable, I'm going to have be paying Tivo extra fees if I want DVR features. Whether directly to Tivo or via my provider's bills for their inbuilt payments to Tivo really matters not to me. :/ Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? Now you are simply getting into the marketing semantics of the cable industry. There is no such thing as a free DVR, it's either incorporated into the overall price of the service, or broken out to give the appearance that the service is less expensive.
The cable conglomerates are fighting to maintain control of this revenue stream by creating ridiculous installation charges to set up a CableCard for a third party DVR or a TV that uses such a card. (Verizon charges $75 just to pair a CableCard!) They try to make it seem like they are doing the customer a favor by providing a $15-$20 box for each TV, yet they continually make it extremely difficult for Tivo or Moxi to offer similar services with regards to pay-per-view or on-demand features in an effort to keep customers tied to their own devices.
DVR's are money makers, and they keep the perceived cost of cable TV down, and nobody is giving these away for free outside of a promotional gimmick. |
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Dish network, circa 1999ish-single tuner? "PVR" But after hardware cost, no monthly service fee. |
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said by curtis33:Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? Dish network, circa 1999ish-single tuner? "PVR" But after hardware cost, no monthly service fee. |
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For example I can't patent tadalafil because it is not my idea, so why other people stole ideas???
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