avd706
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Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant)
said by thedragonmas  :said by Combat Chuck :said by thedragonmas :please, name one. The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice. exactly, the fact the gas stations day may start at 6am has no bearing on me the consumer in any way. this however does. if the gas station say raised their rate from say $2.00 to $2.10 at 6am while im in the middle of pumping gas you bet id have a problem with it. im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it. Its a clerical error.
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fishacura
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Can I start a rant that we're actually having a "debate" about this? The time and date is the time and date. The theater screwed up. Is anyone actually defending this? Seems from some of the posts that this is the case. Now that's worth a "rant". Remind me to call Stephen Hawking and to tell him his latest theories on space/time do not appear to be accurate according to certain industries 
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Mr Neutron
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said by thedragonmas :im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it. As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film.
The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot.
I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances.
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avd706
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| said by Mr Neutron :said by thedragonmas :im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it. As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film. The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot. I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances. dude a movie ticket is not a software agreement.
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Combat Chuck
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said by fishacura :The time and date is the time and date. The theater screwed up. Is anyone actually defending this? Well you can be pissed off or you can realize that the situation is likely out of the theater owners control. They're already struggling to survive. They don't really have a lot of pull with their vendors at this point.
The rest of the Hollywood machinery has their hands in other business models; the theaters pretty much are stuck trying to convince people it's worth $10/person to sit in a public location with 100 other potential smacktard's to see a movie they can't pause that has a fairly high likelihood of sucking, that they could see in the peace and quiet of their home under their control if they wait a month for $1 total.
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said by avd706 :said by Mr Neutron :said by thedragonmas :im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it. As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film. The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot. I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances. dude a movie ticket is not a software agreement. Fine. Can you please break down the differences between a movie theater ticket and a EULA?
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avd706
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Union, NJ | lemme go see a movie and scan the back of a ticket first.
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fishacura
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| I am going to see The Hangover tonight at 6:10. Just to be safe, I am bringing my wormhole so I can travel through that vortex back to yesterday at 4:15 when the show is actually playing.
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avd706
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| said by fishacura :I am going to see The Hangover tonight at 6:10. Just to be safe, I am bringing my wormhole so I can travel through that vortex back to yesterday at 4:15 when the show is actually playing. can you scan the ticker (both sides) when you get back?
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fishacura
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1 edit | I can't tell who's serious any longer. I know Mr. Neutron likes a good debate and I wouldn't put it past him to be curious. So if anyone actually wants to see what's printed on the back of a ticket, let me know and I'll post it.
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| said by fishacura :I can't tell who's serious any longer. I know Mr. Neutron likes a good debate and I wouldn't put it past him to be curious. So if anyone actually wants to see what's printed on the back of a ticket, let me know and I'll post it. yes, please. |
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MHoltum
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Tempe, AZ | reply to goingtonight
What I like is that around here the first showing of a movie is generally a matinee, about 1/2 the regular ticket price, EXCEPT when it is a midnight movie.
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fishacura
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| From my theater:
"Admit One. Good for date and showtime listed only. The management reserves the right to refuse admission on this ticket by refunding purchase price. Management also reserves the right to designate where the holder of this ticket shall be seated."
I think the date issue has been cleared up at least on this ticket. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.
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Thespis
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| said by fishacura :From my theater: "Admit One. Good for date and showtime listed only. The management reserves the right to refuse admission on this ticket by refunding purchase price. Management also reserves the right to designate where the holder of this ticket shall be seated." I think the date issue has been cleared up at least on this ticket. They didn't hold up their end of the deal. The question is: Is the ticket a contract or a license? |
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fishacura
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| Based on my business law class from 20+ years ago, it seems pretty clear that this a contract. Of course, I am going way back but think about the alternative....they take your money and then are obligated to keep it for nothing? No...they are obligated to do what the ticket says and if they don't do that then they are not entitled to your payment. Not sure what the issue is here any longer. It's fairly cut and dry. I think people just enjoy making more of things for the fun of it.
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dave
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said by Combat Chuck :said by thedragonmas :please, name one. The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice. But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated. |
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Jahntassa
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| said by dave :But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated. 'Business day' and actual day of the week can be two different things. Unless you think the theater starts up a new timecard for each employee at the stroke of midnight every day.
If someone starts a shift at 7pm to close out the theater at 3am, do you think they're going to split it between two days? No. That employee worked on 'Tuesday' during their business day. |
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avd706
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said by dave :said by Combat Chuck :said by thedragonmas :please, name one. The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice. But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated. Agreed: The only confusion is at 12:00, by adding the one minute to make it 12:01 am there is no confusion this is a precise time.
edit: Actually the day STARTS at midnight. (Think of new years day, the new year starts when the countdown ends, at midnight)
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2 edits | Well, it's obvious to me that the day starts at 00:00 and ends at 23:59:59.99999999999 (so, yeah, I was wrong before, or rather I was inexact).
Choose your notation correctly and it makes reasoning much simpler! |
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dave
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said by Jahntassa :If someone starts a shift at 7pm to close out the theater at 3am, do you think they're going to split it between two days? No. That employee worked on 'Tuesday' during their business day. I might care about that if we were talking about employee timecards. But we're not. We're talking about movie tickets.
Anyone publishing a schedule or a ticket ought to be using the same time basis as the rest of us. If a ticket says Thursday, then it's for the same day that the rest of us call Thursday. Not Friday.
What next, a claim that '3 o'clock' means '3 hours after the guy who works in the box office shows up for work' ?  |
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