[Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) in Rants, Raves, and Praise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22596942 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:47 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:47 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677881 Mr Neutron :
said by thedragonmas See Profile :


go out, buy windows 7, install it, but you cant use it untill i tell you to. ok?
Well, you're not buying Windows 7, any more than you're buying a film when you purchase a theatre ticket. That is, you can't use a movie ticket until the theatre says you can. And in some cases, the theatre may refuse to let you use it at all. The only thing you're entitled to in such a case is a refund.

You're licensing the right to use Windows 7 when you buy the package at your local software store. If you've ever plowed through a EULA, you'll know that you don't actually own anything apart from the physical media, nor do you have any rights with regards to the software, except for the right to install it on a limited number of machines (with that number defined by the software vendor, not you). The license to install that software is, AFAIK, revocable.

And frankly, if Microsoft wanted to make it so that consumers could not install the software for a month after purchase, I'm not sure what would prevent them from stipulating this in their EULA. Not saying it would make sense, or be practical for them to set forth this condition, just saying that I'm not at all sure that they couldn't set this condition in an software license that, after all, is written by them.

But buying software is, as near as I can tell, the same thing as purchasing a theatre ticket: in the former case, you're licensing the right to use the software. In the latter, you're licensing the right to attend a movie.

I understand where people are coming from in regards to considering a theatre ticket a contract, but the one-sidedness of the arrangement (i.e. all the terms and conditions are defined by the theatre) seems, to me, to much more closely resemble a license rather than a contract.
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With that in mind, someone has yet to convince me that a theatre ticket is different from a EULA. Not saying it's not possible that it is different, just saying that someone has yet to step up and explain how a granting someone a license to use software is any different from granting them the right to watch a film in your theatre.


go out, buy windows 7, install it, but you cant use it untill i tell you to. ok?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677599 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:12:51 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677501 Mr Neutron :
said by Ken See Profile :

said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

How is this a contract rather than a license?
I'll quote Wikipedia (which I'm sure someone will point out is not a good source).

said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract :
A contract is an exchange of promises between two or more parties to do, or refrain from doing, an act which is enforceable in a court of law. It is a binding legal agreement. [1] That is to say, a contract is an exchange of promises for the breach of which the law will provide a remedy.

See, this is what I mean: what, exactly, is the consumer "promising" to do when purchasing a theatre ticket? You're purchasing (or rather, licensing) the right to view a film.

The ticket verbiage seems to indicate that the theatre is granting the moviegoer a license to view a film. There is no "exchange of promises" taking place, seeing how the only action on the part of the consumer is to hand the theatre consideration (money for the ticket). In exchange for said consideration, the theatre is granting the ticketholder the right to view the film, a right which is revocable at any time.

The revocability is, to me, what makes the difference between a contract and a license. A contract is a mutual agreement (i.e. there are terms and conditions both parties agree to meet) while a license is essentially an exchange of consideration (i.e. money) for the privilege of being able to view/use/do something solely at the discretion of the licensee (in this case, the theatre).

With that in mind, someone has yet to convince me that a theatre ticket is different from a EULA. Not saying it's not possible that it is different, just saying that someone has yet to step up and explain how a granting someone a license to use software is any different from granting them the right to watch a film in your theatre.
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said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

How is this a contract rather than a license?
I'll quote Wikipedia (which I'm sure someone will point out is not a good source).

said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract :
A contract is an exchange of promises between two or more parties to do, or refrain from doing, an act which is enforceable in a court of law. It is a binding legal agreement. [1] That is to say, a contract is an exchange of promises for the breach of which the law will provide a remedy.


said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License :
The verb license or grant license means to give permission. The noun license (licence in British spelling) refers to that permission as well as to the document memorializing that permission. License may be granted by a party ("licensor") to another party ("licensee") as an element of an agreement between those parties. A shorthand definition of a license is "an authorization (by the licensor) to use the licensed material (by the licensee)."


I think contract fits quite well. Although I guess you could argue that you are actually entering into a contract to buy a license. Either way it's still a contract with the theater. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677360 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:00:56 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677115 thedragonmas :
said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

said by fishacura See Profile :

Based on my business law class from 20+ years ago, it seems pretty clear that this a contract. Of course, I am going way back but think about the alternative....they take your money and then are obligated to keep it for nothing?
How is this a contract rather than a license?

From what I'm reading, it seems to me that the ticket is no more or less than a license the theatre is granting you to watch a film, much like a EULA is a license the software company is granting you to run their software.

I guess I'm not clear on how the ticket verbiage posted makes this a contract rather than a license.
im stuck on payment for services renderd. and based on your argument if i go fill up my tank at one of those gas stations that give you a free carwash they could say "oops, that free carwash is for next year" and get away with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677115 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:53:42 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676733 Mr Neutron :
said by fishacura See Profile :

Based on my business law class from 20+ years ago, it seems pretty clear that this a contract. Of course, I am going way back but think about the alternative....they take your money and then are obligated to keep it for nothing?
How is this a contract rather than a license?

From what I'm reading, it seems to me that the ticket is no more or less than a license the theatre is granting you to watch a film, much like a EULA is a license the software company is granting you to run their software.

I guess I'm not clear on how the ticket verbiage posted makes this a contract rather than a license.
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Damn, that's "fascists", not "terrorists", isn't it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22639243 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:47:27 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636612 fatness : Well if that happens then the terrorists have won.
;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636612 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:44:14 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635220 dave :
said by Jahntassa See Profile :

If someone starts a shift at 7pm to close out the theater at 3am, do you think they're going to split it between two days? No. That employee worked on 'Tuesday' during their business day.
I might care about that if we were talking about employee timecards. But we're not. We're talking about movie tickets.

Anyone publishing a schedule or a ticket ought to be using the same time basis as the rest of us. If a ticket says Thursday, then it's for the same day that the rest of us call Thursday. Not Friday.

What next, a claim that '3 o'clock' means '3 hours after the guy who works in the box office shows up for work' ? ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635220 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:03:39 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635196 dave : Well, it's obvious to me that the day starts at 00:00 and ends at 23:59:59.99999999999 (so, yeah, I was wrong before, or rather I was inexact).

Choose your notation correctly and it makes reasoning much simpler!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635196 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:00:26 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634971 avd706 :
said by dave See Profile :

said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

please, name one.
The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice.
But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated.
Agreed: The only confusion is at 12:00, by adding the one minute to make it 12:01 am there is no confusion this is a precise time.

edit: Actually the day STARTS at midnight. (Think of new years day, the new year starts when the countdown ends, at midnight)
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said by dave See Profile :

But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated.
'Business day' and actual day of the week can be two different things. Unless you think the theater starts up a new timecard for each employee at the stroke of midnight every day.

If someone starts a shift at 7pm to close out the theater at 3am, do you think they're going to split it between two days? No. That employee worked on 'Tuesday' during their business day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634505 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:04:51 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634460 dave :
said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

please, name one.
The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice.
But there is no issue about "when the day ends". The day ends at midnight. If it's Tuesday just before midnight, it's Wednesday just after midnight. This is not complicated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634460 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:58:00 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632829 fishacura : Based on my business law class from 20+ years ago, it seems pretty clear that this a contract. Of course, I am going way back but think about the alternative....they take your money and then are obligated to keep it for nothing? No...they are obligated to do what the ticket says and if they don't do that then they are not entitled to your payment. Not sure what the issue is here any longer. It's fairly cut and dry. I think people just enjoy making more of things for the fun of it.
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said by fishacura See Profile :

From my theater:

"Admit One. Good for date and showtime listed only. The management reserves the right to refuse admission on this ticket by refunding purchase price. Management also reserves the right to designate where the holder of this ticket shall be seated."

I think the date issue has been cleared up at least on this ticket. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.
The question is: Is the ticket a contract or a license?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632801 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:50:30 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632753 fishacura : From my theater:

"Admit One. Good for date and showtime listed only. The management reserves the right to refuse admission on this ticket by refunding purchase price. Management also reserves the right to designate where the holder of this ticket shall be seated."

I think the date issue has been cleared up at least on this ticket. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.
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said by fishacura See Profile :

I can't tell who's serious any longer. I know Mr. Neutron likes a good debate and I wouldn't put it past him to be curious. So if anyone actually wants to see what's printed on the back of a ticket, let me know and I'll post it.
yes, please.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630331 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:03:46 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22629073 fishacura : I can't tell who's serious any longer. I know Mr. Neutron likes a good debate and I wouldn't put it past him to be curious. So if anyone actually wants to see what's printed on the back of a ticket, let me know and I'll post it.
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said by fishacura See Profile :

I am going to see The Hangover tonight at 6:10. Just to be safe, I am bringing my wormhole so I can travel through that vortex back to yesterday at 4:15 when the show is actually playing.
can you scan the ticker (both sides) when you get back?
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said by avd706 See Profile :

said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it.
As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film.

The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot.

I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances.
dude a movie ticket is not a software agreement.
Fine. Can you please break down the differences between a movie theater ticket and a EULA?
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said by fishacura See Profile :

The time and date is the time and date. The theater screwed up. Is anyone actually defending this?
Well you can be pissed off or you can realize that the situation is likely out of the theater owners control. They're already struggling to survive. They don't really have a lot of pull with their vendors at this point.

The rest of the Hollywood machinery has their hands in other business models; the theaters pretty much are stuck trying to convince people it's worth $10/person to sit in a public location with 100 other potential smacktard's to see a movie they can't pause that has a fairly high likelihood of sucking, that they could see in the peace and quiet of their home under their control if they wait a month for $1 total.
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said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it.
As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film.

The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot.

I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances.
dude a movie ticket is not a software agreement.
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said by thedragonmas See Profile :

im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it.
As near as I can tell, when someone sells you a movie ticket, they're not entering into any kind of binding agreement with you. They are, instead, selling you a revocable license. For your $10.50, you're paying for the right to view the film.

The "revocable" part might come in if you show up to watch the movie and decide, instead, that sticking your hand under your armpit and flapping your arm up and down offers more in the way of an entertainment value proposition. If the theatre manager doesn't happen to agree with you, s/he can give you the boot.

I believe (but am not sure) that under such circumstances, the ticketholder may not be eligible for a refund. However, if a screening is cancelled before it takes place, (theater is burned down by irate ticketholders of an earlier film, for example) I believe the ticketholder is eligible for damages (the cost of the ticket) under that set of circumstances.
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said by thedragonmas See Profile :

said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

please, name one.
The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice.
exactly, the fact the gas stations day may start at 6am has no bearing on me the consumer in any way. this however does. if the gas station say raised their rate from say $2.00 to $2.10 at 6am while im in the middle of pumping gas you bet id have a problem with it.

im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it.
Its a clerical error.
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said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

said by thedragonmas See Profile :

please, name one.
The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice.
exactly, the fact the gas stations day may start at 6am has no bearing on me the consumer in any way. this however does. if the gas station say raised their rate from say $2.00 to $2.10 at 6am while im in the middle of pumping gas you bet id have a problem with it.

im no lawyer but as far as i can fathom that ticket is a binding contract to show the movie at 12:01am on the date published on the ticket. its just no one has had the patience to sue over it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22612882 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:40:19 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22612736 Combat Chuck :
said by thedragonmas See Profile :

please, name one.
The already mentioned gas station, pizza places that deliver late; basically any business open past midnight is likely to run into the issue of when the previous day ends; the only difference is it's not something you as the consumer are likely to notice.
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said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

This happens in other industries too, it's not like it's some theater trying to screw you thing.
please, name one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22612357 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:35:31 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22612213 r81984 :
said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

This happens in other industries too
No it doesn't.
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said by james See Profile :

To be fair, what kind of moron thinks that 12:01 AM on one day could ever actually mean 12:01AM the next day, for any reason?

There is no freaking excuse, they're retarded.
The kind that really wants to see the movie and knows the opening day because they've been waiting for it forever.

I told you why it happens, and why it will never get fixed. You can bitch all you want but the simple solution is to ask the theater if you're seeing anything after midnight.

This happens in other industries too, it's not like it's some theater trying to screw you thing.
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said by Jahntassa See Profile :

said by r81984 See Profile :

This is from fandango from a random movie at Cinemark. Look how they try to justify their stupidity. Any reasonable person would see Thursday 12:01am and go then, but I think the theater really means Friday 12:01am. Someone needs to be fired at that theater.
Better go after most of the theater industry then..like I said, that's how i've always seen it.
I have never seen that at any theater I go to. They always had the correct date on the tickets.
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said by Athena :

So I'm planning on purchasing tickets to Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince, and the earliest tickets I see are listed as 12:01am on Tuesday, July 14, even though I know the movie comes out on Wednesday the 15th. :huh:

Is the movie really going to be on the 14th, or, as you have experienced, does 12:01am Tuesday really equal 12:01am Wednesday?
If the movie releases on the 15th then you're going at 12:01am on the 15th, meaning, Tuesday evening.

If you really want to know, ask when you call them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22610250 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:18:55 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22610244 Jahntassa :
said by r81984 See Profile :

This is from fandango from a random movie at Cinemark. Look how they try to justify their stupidity. Any reasonable person would see Thursday 12:01am and go then, but I think the theater really means Friday 12:01am. Someone needs to be fired at that theater.
Better go after most of the theater industry then..like I said, that's how i've always seen it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22610244 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:18:12 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22610025 r81984 :
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said by r81984 See Profile :

said by avd706 See Profile :

Just how do you prove any damages?
Paying for a babysitter for no reason. Gas to get to the show.
There you go!!! I smell class action!
Do whatever you got to do.
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said by r81984 See Profile :

said by avd706 See Profile :

Just how do you prove any damages?
Paying for a babysitter for no reason. Gas to get to the show.
There you go!!! I smell class action!
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said by avd706 See Profile :

Just how do you prove any damages?
Paying for a babysitter for no reason. Gas to get to the show.
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It should be listed as 11:59 PM.

Also 12 AM and 12 PM have no meaning.
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said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

To be fair, how many people buy a ticket to a 12:01 release day showing of a movie that don't know when the movie actually comes out?
To be fair, what kind of moron thinks that 12:01 AM on one day could ever actually mean 12:01AM the next day, for any reason?

There is no freaking excuse, they're retarded.
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said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

I'm just saying that, the majority of people who go to the midnight opening day showing are people who REEEEALLLY want to see the movie.

I understand what you're saying, but it is probably an issue with their ticketing system. Anyone who has worked customer contact where a computer is involved knows that niggling little issues like this aren't a priority and the people who can fix them are way way up the chain and possibly at another company.

If you're a small chain the only "fix" may be to go with another vendor who likely has a different set of annoying problems.
bet it becomes a priority the second some one gets the balls to sue over it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22608131 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:32:35 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607144 David : If you want to add confusion to this, here's one.

I have been to a few "midnight" previews myself over the years. Now here it's Wherenberg Theatres.

Now if you go by Ronnie's 20 Cine in South county, when they sell a ticket they sell it for the day of the showing at 12 A.m. and you best show up at that time and that's when it plays.

However, over here in Illinois at the ones in o'fallon and places. THey consider 06/24 to happen at 8:01 A.M. (theatre closed). So when they sell a show they can sell it for 06/23 at 12 A.M. and it would mean 06/24/09 12 A.M.

The only safest way I have found to thwart this problem is to ask the theatre what the day is considered. Is it considered still 06/23/09 till 8 A.M. 06/24/09? or is it 06/24 on 12:01 A.M. like the rest of the world.

And yes, you can thank computers and end of day processing for this one. Ironically Wal-mart shuts down their registers at exactly 12:00 A.M. and starts a new day. However, the gas station I used to work at during college considered 5:15 A.M. = New day.

It's messed up but if you know what or when they consider "new day" that would avoid a lot of these problems. Ironically the person you will probably want to talk to is the person that is there in his office at 8 A.M. (theatre owner) that's doing the final paperwork for the day before, and prepping the theatre for that night's "business".


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Is the movie really going to be on the 14th, or, as you have experienced, does 12:01am Tuesday really equal 12:01am Wednesday?

Thanks for your help. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607013 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:23:11 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22606092 Jahntassa :
said by r81984 See Profile :

What theater chain? I have never seen that at Showplace, Sony, and a few others.
Franks Cinemas, Cinemark, Carmike Cinemas, and i'm pretty sure AMC, but I haven't been to one in a while.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22606092 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:54:48 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22605972 Combat Chuck : I'm just saying that, the majority of people who go to the midnight opening day showing are people who REEEEALLLY want to see the movie.

I understand what you're saying, but it is probably an issue with their ticketing system. Anyone who has worked customer contact where a computer is involved knows that niggling little issues like this aren't a priority and the people who can fix them are way way up the chain and possibly at another company.

If you're a small chain the only "fix" may be to go with another vendor who likely has a different set of annoying problems.
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said by r81984 See Profile :

said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

To be fair, how many people buy a ticket to a 12:01 release day showing of a movie that don't know when the movie actually comes out?
To be fair, I had no idea when Transformers came out. I thought it came out last weekend. If I went to the theater and asked for the first showing ticket and they gave me a ticket that said the 23rd then thats when I would have thought it was.
I never said it was fair. I just said that's the way they do it. I've been to about 15 midnight showings and every time that's how it's done. The movie isn't actually started until 'day of' release, but it's listed in the listings for the 'day before' release, as 12:01am.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22605720 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:46:55 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22605646 r81984 :
said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

To be fair, how many people buy a ticket to a 12:01 release day showing of a movie that don't know when the movie actually comes out?
To be fair, I had no idea when Transformers came out. I thought it came out last weekend. If I went to the theater and asked for the first showing ticket and they gave me a ticket that said the 23rd then thats when I would have thought it was.
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said by Jahntassa See Profile :

said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

Ah, I get it: this confusion over the time is more or less an ongoing problem? If that's the case, I guess the motivation to make it up to people isn't as strong as if would be if what happened were a one-off. :(

Thank you for the explanation.
Thinking about the whole thing, for someone who hasn't attended a midnight showing I suppose it would be frustratingly confusing.

I just came up with the whole 'It shows up as Tuesday because it's still the same workday' thing, but that's the best way I can explain the logic to it. I just always considered that a midnight showing would come the night before the actual release date (even though it's technically the same date)
That does not make any sense.

I have been to midnight showings and they always have the correct date on them. There is no way to justify putting the 23rd on the ticket if the movie is not shown until the 24th.
If the ticket says 12:01am June 23rd then that is when the movie is. No one would ever know that it is for the 24th since that is not when the ticket says.

He should scan in the movie ticket and report them to the studio for showing the movie a day early.
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said by goingtonight :

here is the e-mail. After reading i thought, why don't they schedule it for 11:59PM, that would definitely avoid confusion! :D
One of the local theaters did just that when they did a midnight showing of the Simpsons Movie. They didn't actually start the movie right at that minute, as I'm sure they could have gotten in trouble for breaking the release date if they'd started it one minute before midnight.

It was one of those old-style theaters, complete with a balcony. I took my son, who was 13 at the time. There aren't that many old theaters like that left these days, or drive-ins for that matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601817 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:20 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600594 Greg_Z : 00:01 is one minute past midnight, or Balls to four shift in the military. That means, currently in IL it is 10:28 pm on the 23rd of June 2009. That means, at 00:01, it will be the 24th of June 2009 during Balls to four shift watch hour.
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Dear Mr. xxxxxx,

Thank you for taking the time to send us your comments about your recent visit. I am very sorry for the confusion of the ticket times and the date of the showing. Due to film company contracts we are not allowed to schedule the film before its actual opening date and that’s what caused the confusion. Also due to software issues we could not schedule the showing for anything other than Tuesday 12:01 AM. We are working on a solution for the future and we will schedule the films differently to avoid any confusion. Again I apologize for the problem and I am sending you some passes in the mail right away.

Regards,

xxxxxx

Director of Operations

Great Escape Theatres]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599932 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:12:58 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599768 anon : Yes, it says the 23rd. Yesterday, their phone line even said "tonight will be a midnight showing of transformers buy your tickets now".

I ended up complaining on their website and was given some free passes out of it. so, let this be a warning to everyone else that 12:01AM may or may not be that day. I ended up paying the babysitter for a regular night last night, since that would only be fair.The babysitter, however, is more than happy to come back for more money tonight. :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599768 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:42:06 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598855 Jahntassa : Does the ticket actually say 12:01am, June 23?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598855 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:51:28 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598225 thedragonmas :
said by Jahntassa See Profile :

I guess you've never gone to a midnight showing before, have you.

They say 12:01am because that's 'officially' the day of release. However the tickets are sold as the night before as far as 'ticketing' goes because it's still technically a Tuesday workday for them.

The tickets are for Tuesday 'night', even though they're technically for Wednesday 'just after midnight'.

Sorry, that's how it's pretty much always been as far as I know.
as pointed out a bove, the laws of space time dose not bend to the will of the movie theater. the op baught a ticket for 12:01am 23rd he went there, on time, and was refused, far as i can tell the op has a logitimate civil claim for the money paid to the babysitter not to mention a logitimate claim to a charge back on his credit card.

payment for services renderd. he paid, it wasnt renderd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598225 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:13:30 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597533 fishacura : Ahhhh...so the laws of space/time don't apply to movie theaters huh? When is 12:01 AM on Tuesday = 12:01AM on Wednesday? In "movie-world" apparantly. What a joke.
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said by Mr Neutron See Profile :

Ah, I get it: this confusion over the time is more or less an ongoing problem? If that's the case, I guess the motivation to make it up to people isn't as strong as if would be if what happened were a one-off. :(

Thank you for the explanation.
Thinking about the whole thing, for someone who hasn't attended a midnight showing I suppose it would be frustratingly confusing.

I just came up with the whole 'It shows up as Tuesday because it's still the same workday' thing, but that's the best way I can explain the logic to it. I just always considered that a midnight showing would come the night before the actual release date (even though it's technically the same date)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597504 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:27:46 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597464 Mr Neutron :
said by Jahntassa See Profile :

The tickets are for Tuesday 'night', even though they're technically for Wednesday 'just after midnight'.

Sorry, that's how it's pretty much always been as far as I know.
Ah, I get it: this confusion over the time is more or less an ongoing problem? If that's the case, I guess the motivation to make it up to people isn't as strong as if would be if what happened were a one-off. :(

Thank you for the explanation.
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They say 12:01am because that's 'officially' the day of release. However the tickets are sold as the night before as far as 'ticketing' goes because it's still technically a Tuesday workday for them.

The tickets are for Tuesday 'night', even though they're technically for Wednesday 'just after midnight'.

Sorry, that's how it's pretty much always been as far as I know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597279 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:54:42 EDT Re: [Rant] When is 12:01AM (Movie Theater Rant) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597251 fishacura : Doesn't surprise me. I wish it did, but it doesn't :( Good for you for not blowing a gasket! Send a letter to the corporate office...you'll most likely at least get a free movie out of it.
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said by goingtonight :

The manager didn't offer any apologies and instead recommended that i call corporate, because its their website and their fault! I didn't want to get too mad since he was a 16 year old manager and i felt bad for him.
For a (purportedly) 16-year-old manager, he's sure wasted no time in learning how to pass the buck. :(

He couldn't give you coupons for a free drink and/or popcorn? Maybe throw in a free pass? Nothing for the customers who wasted their time driving to the theatre as you did?

And to top it all off, if he didn't bother to leave a sign on the door, there were doubtless customers who spent their time yanking away on the door handle, trying to get in.

All I can say is: you're a far better person than I am, because I would have been mad as hell.

Yes, I understand that it wasn't his fault about the incorrectly posted ticket times, but as a manager, it's up to him to take care of his customers (and you are one of his customers) regardless of what corporate does or does not do.

Amazing. Just......amazing.
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Just so i don't go crazy, was that not this morning?

So i show up, the manager explained that its actually for tonight (12:01 AM on the 24th?). So i called the babysitter and went home. The manager didn't offer any apologies and instead recommended that i call corporate, because its their website and their fault! I didn't want to get too mad since he was a 16 year old manager and i felt bad for him. Another family shows up and we explained that the tickets are actually for the 24th, and they laugh and leave with us. We walk to our cars when another family shows up. (this is 40 minutes early to the showing).

Then the manager walks towards the doors and locks them. He didn't even place a note on the door explaining that the ticket times were wrong... :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596942 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:04:26 EDT