| Ummm I get a notification when somebody sends me an AIM or MSN message on my BlackBerry 8350i, this seems hardly revolutionary?
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 gdmPremium,MVM
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kudos:3 | Is that notification via a SMS? Typically most AIM people get notified via SMS when they get a text and AIM is set to the mobile device.
Usually your IM app on a device will time out after so long if you aren't actively using it. |
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 badtripI heart the East BayPremium
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Albany, CA | reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland:I get a notification when somebody sends me an AIM or MSN message on my BlackBerry 8350i, this seems hardly revolutionary? That's what i was saying. My G1 has had google talk, aim, yahoo and windows live messenger from the get-go. |
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Push IM is revolutionary to the iPhone. Formerly closing the AIM app would cause AIM to log out, making it less than ideal for text replacement.
Keep in mind the iPhone doesn't multitask third party apps, so AIM would close if you tried to browse the web or place a call.
Now, it's not such a problem.
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said by gdm:Is that notification via a SMS? Typically most AIM people get notified via SMS when they get a text and AIM is set to the mobile device. Usually your IM app on a device will time out after so long if you aren't actively using it. No. There's an AIM application that runs in the background. When somebody sends me an IM, I feel it vibrate and/or hear a tone, and see the AIM icon at the top of the screen. Its not SMS at all, and I'm not charged a dime for it outside of the BlackBerry plan, its all packet data.
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said by djrobx:Push IM is revolutionary to the iPhone. Formerly closing the AIM app would cause AIM to log out, making it less than ideal for text replacement. Keep in mind the iPhone doesn't multitask third party apps, so AIM would close if you tried to browse the web or place a call. Now, it's not such a problem. So, what's the hype behind the iPhone? Real phones have had these capabilities for years. My BlackBerry and formerly Windows Mobile device all run AIM in the background, and have from the start. I even had real MMS on my old BlackBerry 7520i 5 years ago. The iPhone really looks big on style and low on substance, from the view from here.
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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kudos:2 | said by BillRoland:said by djrobx:Push IM is revolutionary to the iPhone. Formerly closing the AIM app would cause AIM to log out, making it less than ideal for text replacement. Keep in mind the iPhone doesn't multitask third party apps, so AIM would close if you tried to browse the web or place a call. Now, it's not such a problem. So, what's the hype behind the iPhone? Real phones have had these capabilities for years. My BlackBerry and formerly Windows Mobile device all run AIM in the background, and have from the start. I even had real MMS on my old BlackBerry 7520i 5 years ago. The iPhone really looks big on style and low on substance, from the view from here. Right now with the iPhone, we can't do multi-tasking. Slowly more push apps are coming out.
Beejive is a messaging client that supports AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc and it will support push notification as well.. that is.. once Apple freakin approves their app. It's been pending for weeks.
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gdmPremium,MVM
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kudos:3 | It's approved Rob. I got the newest version when I sync the iPhone to iTunes to back it up. It never showed on the apps update which I found odd.
As soon as I went to use it asked about push notification. |
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I would get beejive but 9.99 is alot. |
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kudos:2 | The regular price is $15. I think they are offering it on a discount for now.
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RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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said by gdm:It's approved Rob. I got the newest version when I sync the iPhone to iTunes to back it up. It never showed on the apps update which I found odd. As soon as I went to use it asked about push notification. Sweet. Thanks. Just updated now.
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland:said by gdm:Is that notification via a SMS? Typically most AIM people get notified via SMS when they get a text and AIM is set to the mobile device. Usually your IM app on a device will time out after so long if you aren't actively using it. No. There's an AIM application that runs in the background. When somebody sends me an IM, I feel it vibrate and/or hear a tone, and see the AIM icon at the top of the screen. Its not SMS at all, and I'm not charged a dime for it outside of the BlackBerry plan, its all packet data. I have also been using BB AIM for years, and I kind of laughed when the iPhone version of this "revolutionary" service was released. In either case, I hardly ever use SMS now with BBM, AIM, and Google Talk on my Blackberry.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by gdm:Usually your IM app on a device will time out after so long if you aren't actively using it. Nope, on Blackerries it runs in the background until you either use it or your battery dies! |
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Part of the allure of the iPhone is the fact that you can answer a fricken phone call without the need for two hands. And the phone sounds fabulous, as opposed to the Blackberry which sounds "just ok" if you're lucky.
I'll agree with you, it's not Jesus. But it's a good product and it kicks the shit out of every Blackberry I've owned. I don't own one because, well, I get the Blackberry for free and why duplicate? |
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said by djrobx:Push IM is revolutionary to the iPhone. Formerly closing the AIM app would cause AIM to log out, making it less than ideal for text replacement. Keep in mind the iPhone doesn't multitask third party apps, so AIM would close if you tried to browse the web or place a call. Now, it's not such a problem. What I don't understand is why Apple doesn't allow multi-tasking apps. I mean, the email client has to be multi-tasking, the "push notifications" have to be multi-tasking, any app the user runs is multi-tasking...so why can't Apple allow multi-tasking? In my opinion, any "real" modern OS must have multi-tasking. If Microsoft decides WM should be single tasking, I would ditch it for a Android based device in a heartbeat. I believe the last OS which was single tasking was DOS, are we going backwards with technology? Next thing you know Apple will announce a new product at the next Apple conference and claim its "revolutionary"; 5 & 1/4 floppy disks. |
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said by BillRoland:said by djrobx:Push IM is revolutionary to the iPhone. Formerly closing the AIM app would cause AIM to log out, making it less than ideal for text replacement. Keep in mind the iPhone doesn't multitask third party apps, so AIM would close if you tried to browse the web or place a call. Now, it's not such a problem. So, what's the hype behind the iPhone? Real phones have had these capabilities for years. My BlackBerry and formerly Windows Mobile device all run AIM in the background, and have from the start. I even had real MMS on my old BlackBerry 7520i 5 years ago. The iPhone really looks big on style and low on substance, from the view from here. It's more than just multitasking. I'm not familiar with the BB AIM application, but it sounds like it's a full application sitting in the background. The problem with that method is that "heartbeats" are power-expensive. You have to fully power-up the cellular radio to send a data burst, and you're doing this often because you need to constantly send a heartbeat to the service to indicate that you're still connected (alive). There's also the issue of this requiring more processing time, although that's more negligible.
Anyhow, you could do this with AIM previously on a jailbroken iPhone, but the net result was that the phone ran out of power pretty quickly since it was severely restricted in the amount of sleeping the CPU and the cellular modem could do.
Meanwhile pushing things to the phone requires much less power. The cellular modem stays in its low-power state (which is needed to listen for phone calls) and a single CPU task handles all push activity, which makes it easier for both to sleep. The result is that while you still take a hit to the battery time, it's far more manageable (10-15% ?). You've removed the expensive heartbeats for something much cheaper.
The previous solution to this was SMS (which accomplishes much of the same thing), but SMS messages have unreal prices and there's no way to tie notifications to certain applications. Pushing is free, and pushed messages can be associated with the application they belong to.
So that's the big deal for the iPhone. Like I said before I don't know much about the BB AIM application, however I don't believe they're doing this because as far as I know this is AOL's first entry in to push services. So the BB application would have to be a heartbeat application - the iPhone AIM application would have much less of a battery life hit than the BB application if this is true. |
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Same for my aging sidekick 3, on which all messaging, IM, SMS, and email, is equal. I get an alert (noise, buzz, or light depending on sound settings) and an icon.
From the description, it sounds like the AIM iphone client will do what I hate when PC clients do: pop up in front of your face. (in part or in full)
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