 NOCManMacChatterPremium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | I do not see why this has to be so complicated Teir 1
Routing Protocols
HSRP/VRRP/GLSB etc
Teir 2
VOIP - all voip
Teir 3
http/smtp/pop/imap
Teir 4
Streaming Media
Teir 5
Bulk - p2p, ftp etc.. things that can wait.
Teir 2 & 3 is where 99% of customer complaints originate from. People complain when web pages load slowly etc, not when they're trying to download huge torrents etc.. These are older people who expect it to work much the same every day.
If they would just do that, and deal with abusers who try to stick their traffic into priority queues, they'd be done with the problem.
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 Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated Here is a simple argument against that: I do not use VOIP. I pay the same as my neighbor who does use VOIP. Why should his data have a higher priority than mine? | |
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 | | | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated said by Lazlow:Here is a simple argument against that: I do not use VOIP. I pay the same as my neighbor who does use VOIP. Why should his data have a higher priority than mine? Because VOIP uses little bandwidth and it won't slow down your tier 3 access & apps?
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| | Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated Even then you are putting one customer's needs over another, while they are both paying for the same service. | |
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| | AJR
join:2009-03-18
Alabaster, AL
1 edit | And because VOIP is much more sensitive to latency and jitter then HTTP/SMTP/POP or P2P traffic.
Since P2P apps tend to be bandwidth hogs and they are usually very tolerant of latency and jitter they should receive "worse" treatment than the VOIP and HTTP/POP/SMTP traffic.
I would love to find a provider that prioritizes VOIP and Streaming Media over P2P. I would sign up in heart beat. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | .. and here's another simple argument.. who's to say that my FTP data "can wait"... What if I'm trying to get a file to someone via FTP, which is NOT p2p, rather, it's just over the 10mb email limit and needs to go FTP.. such as art work for ad copy or what ever..
Sorry, but the P2P community is pushing into an area they have no grounds to stand on.. they need to humble themselves just a little before queen pelosi not only outlaws P2P, but maybe also considers taxing internet connections at 45% as she's stated in the past.
P2P'ers always try to claim that there is nothing illegal going on, which if that's the case, then there is nothing to talk about then, becuase P2P traffic that are things like patches and distros HARDLY are eating up the amount of the overall P2P traffic on the net.. however, movies, music and other software packages that have copyright claims on them ARE. | |
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated Tier 1:
Http and FTP
Tier 2:
Gaming, VOIP and VPN.
Tier 3:
Streaming Media(trust me people call about their hulu and youtube being choppy A LOT more then pop3 being slow)
Tier 4:
Email Protocalls
Tier 5:
P2P, and other misc protocalls
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| | |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated Oh good God! STOP! Please?!
What if 20 years ago, someone decided to tier the Internet based on the the traffic patters popular in that day? HTTP would have never emerged to take the lead. VOIP wouldn't have made it off of the bench.
There's a reason why the net architecture means that protocol != priority. Because it simply is not.
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| | funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by fiberguy:P2P'ers always try to claim that there is nothing illegal going on I've never heard that claim.
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| | |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
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| Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated said by funchords:said by fiberguy:P2P'ers always try to claim that there is nothing illegal going on I've never heard that claim. .. you mean in the last 5 minutes, right? | |
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| | | | funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated said by espaeth:said by funchords:said by fiberguy:P2P'ers always try to claim that there is nothing illegal going on I've never heard that claim. .. you mean in the last 5 minutes, right? No, it's a foolish thing to say on its face. It's flame bait. "Nothing illegal going on" -- nobody would say that.
What we do say is that there is legal P2P going on.
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| | Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Fiberguy
I think your reply is pretty funny, considering I do not p2p. | |
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| |  elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | get a SO/HO plan that doesnt have QoS but cost more
say the normal res 10/1 is $50/month
a SO/HO would be 200/month for 10/1 but no QoS restrictions | |
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AJR
join:2009-03-18
Alabaster, AL | I think NOCMan has the right idea.
Although I might swap Tier 3 and 4. (Streaming Media is usually more sensitive to congestion than HTTP/SMTP/POP) | |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | however gaming isnt a #5 item, as it isnt as fault resistant. id put it over POP and SMTP. mail can run a tad slow and people wont notice it like another customer will a 400 ping in a game.
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| funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated said by Kearnstd:however gaming isnt a #5 item, as it isnt as fault resistant. id put it over POP and SMTP. mail can run a tad slow and people wont notice it like another customer will a 400 ping in a game. It's amazing how many people put mail in the high priority slot, and also how many perceive gaming as high-bandwidth.
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated
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said by funchords:said by Kearnstd:however gaming isnt a #5 item, as it isnt as fault resistant. id put it over POP and SMTP. mail can run a tad slow and people wont notice it like another customer will a 400 ping in a game. It's amazing how many people put mail in the high priority slot, and also how many perceive gaming as high-bandwidth. i like to tell people gaming isnt bandwidth intensive, even with ventrilo tossed in.
the upload there is WoW during a 25man raid with inbound ventrilo traffic at maximum quality setting. Speex 10 quality. most of the time idle its at 2KiB/s tips inbound .1-.4 outbound unless xmit on vent.
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| | | elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: I do not see why this has to be so complicated wile not high bandwidth it IS sensative to lag
if VOIP is higher then every thing else gaming should be too
sure it doesnt use much bandwidth but if the node is congested your ping is going to go up | |
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