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Glen Carbon, IL | Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? I've looked around, but I've yet to see one.
What I'm hoping for, is chat room software where the chat rooms will only function if there is at least one Moderator, or Administrator that's in there.
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Fairfield, OH | Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? Must it be web-based? An IRC channel can be configured to require moderator intervention to speak.
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? said by yock  :Must it be web-based? An IRC channel can be configured to require moderator intervention to speak. Clarification:
Thank you for your suggestion, but you are talking about something called pre-moderated chat, or that someone has to read what almost everyone else types before approval and therefore allowing everyone else to see what was said. This wasn't what I had in mind.
What I was talking about, is a chat room where if the room is empty, then only moderators or an administrator will be able to enter the room. Then, as soon as they show up, anyone else will be able to log in, whether they are a moderator, an administrator, or just a regular user.
Suppose the first moderator enters the room. Then the room is open to anyone. Then a second moderator enters. After awhile, the first moderator leaves for whatever reason. Then the room remains open to anyone.
Then suppose that there's a time that there isn't a single moderator in the room. At this point, the room is closed to any new users coming in, unless they are a moderator or higher.
The idea is that theoretically, it could be only moderators in the chat room, but that there will never be a time when there are only regular users in the room. The only time it can be just regular users, is whomever is left when the last moderator leaves. And when this happens, the number of users will eventually dwindle unless another moderator happens to sign in.
Except for this one key difference, the chat room would otherwise behave like most others.
Without using pre-moderated chat (an experience that I'm sure few if any enjoy), what I'm hoping for is to make it so that there has to be at least one moderator in the room.
I'm guessing that this isn't a feature that commonly wanted. However, I'd expect things to get chaotic and go downhill if there isn't at least one moderator in there. Last thing I'd want to hear about is some troll who wanders in, and there's no moderator to get rid of it.
One way around it, I suppose to get around this limitation, is to simply not have a chat room until the associated forum grows to a sufficient size. Then, there would be enough moderators to essentially reduce the chance of what I'm trying to avoid to almost zero. But still, this feature would be a good one to have.
Must It Be Web Based? Yes.
IRC wouldn't work for a couple reasons. One reason is that the typical average Joe or Jane probably don't know what IRC is. And even if they do, they may have trouble figuring out how to get in. Another reason is that you can't integrate IRC with a forum.
The idea is that there will be a forum. Then users will be able to use their forum screen name in the chat room, and use their forum password. That is, forum integration. This isn't possible with IRC. | |
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Fairfield, OH | Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? I don't think you understand IRC, but since it must be web-based the entire point is moot. | |
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? Web Based IRC clients do all the leg work, you just install it on your site and it connects and joins automatically. All you have to do is have a bot set the room to +m when there are no operators in the channel and then no one can talk.
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? said by twizlar :Web Based IRC clients do all the leg work, you just install it on your site and it connects and joins automatically. All you have to do is have a bot set the room to +m when there are no operators in the channel and then no one can talk. I didn't consider a web-based IRC client.
I don't think a bot would necessarily work, but channel operators could +v/-v people as necessary. You'd still need some kind of bot to automatically grant +o to people delegated as moderators though, unless you're going to have a 24/7 sysop.
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? Its called Chanserv, or an eggdrop. Eggdrops are more useful as you can tell them to do whatever you want. Basically you can have it -m the channel when an op is present.
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? Except that Eggdrops require that you know TCL to do anything useful. I'm rather familiar with IRC usage, but not with running one. Do IRC daemons often come with a Chanserv-like bot or are they readily available to perform these types of tasks?
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Brantford, ON | Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? That functionality is standard to eggdrops, and yes chanserv exists on almost every network.
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Hagerstown, MD | IRC is your answer, and there are lots of web based clients for it. Read up on it, you'll like it. | |
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| Re: Is There A Chat Room (Hopefully Flash Based) That Does This? said by JAAulde :IRC is your answer, and there are lots of web based clients for it. Read up on it, you'll like it. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hasty as to say that IRC couldn't work, because of the integration issues (I'd want chatters to have the same screen names as they would have on the associated forum).
Originally, I dismissed IRC because I thought it required people to install some sort of client software. You know, like the AIM program, only they would then also have to input all the settings and get them just right. But then...
I've learned that there's such a thing as a Flash based IRC client. This is a good thing because I can't expect most people to be able to install an IRC client of their own and then use it. I'm talking about users who don't even know the difference between a static and dynamic IP.
I guess the key here is to then somehow write a script/bot that would log in chatters using the same screen names as they do on the associated forum. I'd then have to have it check if the user has any kind of moderator power on the forum, because I'd want such users to get some sort of "op" status in the IRC chat.
As you may have all suspected by now, I'm highly unfamiliar with IRC in particular. I've heard of it of course, but I've only actually used it once.
So I have a couple possibly dumb questions about it:
1) Does there exist an "op"/chat mod status, where the following is true (or can be set?):
- Can kick out and/or ban any user that doesn't have any sort of chat mod/"op" status.
- Can't kick out and/or ban anyone who does have any sort of chat mod/"op" status.
- Doesn't have the power to promote or demote anyone else from "op"/chat mod status?
I'd rather it be defined through a certain script where any moderators on the associated forum will get this status, that and I'd like to be the only one who has any control over who gets the status or not.
What I wish to avoid, is that if a couple moderators don't like one another, I don't want them to be able to take any direct action against one another. Any complaints would instead have to be presented to me.
2) Could a PHP script be used to handle the IRC login, and to do at least part of the work involved in assigning the appropriate status to a user who logs in?
Ideally, it'd be automatic. That is, if I add a moderator to the associated forum, they would automatically get the status in the chat as well.
I'm sorry for asking so many questions here, but I appreciate people being patient and IRC is quite new to me. | |
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