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<description><![CDATA[Mark F posted : AOL has The Adventures Of Superman, Gilligan's Island, Man From U.N.C.L.E. and Wonder Woman, and, Hulu has, McHale's Navy, Kojak, Ironsides, and the original Battlestar Galacica, to name just a few.<br><br>Those are among the many shows not carried by any cable channel. In fact, TV Land, Sleuth, American Life and others have downsized their classic TV offerings. Which is driving classic TV fans to the internet. <br><br>And, that is partly why there is talk of caps and per byte billing. They would rather you watched something they have on cable, but when what you want to watch isn't on cable, they want a piece of that, too. <br><br>It's also about controling what we watch and how we watch it.<br><br>Verizon is to be offering internet-to-TV video streaming in a few months. But, Hulu, AOL, etc. won't be supported.  By controlling what we watch, they won't have to worry so much about imposing caps.<br>Mark F.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1642309" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1642309');">chasmn84</a>:</small><br><br>Why is this always the first thing posted... <br> </div>Because a cap, any cap, is a large mental obstacle -- a limiting factor.  Metered billing (for those that do that) is going to be similarly limiting. <br><br>I think that time/data caps and metered billing have their place in an array of pricing options, but it's important to remember that the unlimited offering is probably the most beneficial environmental factor for the explosive success of the Internet as an innovation engine.<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dvd536 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1550577" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1550577');">baineschile</a>:</small><br><br>Kudos to cable for at least giving us more options. With the success of YouTube and Hulu, why wouldnt we expect them to try to get in on the action?<br> </div>they can smell the money!<br><small>--<br>When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chasmn84 posted : Why is this always the first thing posted... the caps comments are getting old... especially if most people never come close to them and the company isn't trying to make money off of it. No overage fees charged so whats the problem?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sonicmerlin posted : Sure you can.  Look at pg. 25, 26 of the .pdf.<br><br>Also, seeing as how Comcast is a near monopoly in many of its areas, until real competition exists it's hard to sympathize with a company that makes billions in profits that wants to cap and/or throttle, regardless of the overall % of those margins.<br><br>As for links:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.newnetworks.com/attbroadband.htm" >www.newnetworks.com/attbroadband.htm</A><br>and...<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.teletruth.org/docs/SBCMergerharms.pdf" >www.teletruth.org/docs/SBCMergerharms.pdf</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : Yeah, I'm still trying to digest it.  I won't have a snarky comeback, though.  It seems sane. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gorehound posted : slime warner and the rest of these hosebags will love it when the unintelligent masses pay the overages they will get after wasting their caps on a few days of watching HD feeds hours per day.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/340409" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=340409');">funchords</a>:</small><br><br>... about 50 x 250 GB.  Interesting.<br> </div>Just like insurance companies, they're playing the safe bet that the majority aren't going to cash in to the limit.<br><br>Of course, it gets closer to even odds with a 4 channel DOCSIS 3.0 spread.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1646149" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1646149');">sonicmerlin</a>:</small><br><br>It is very easily augmented by investing money into the network.  Money that both TWC and Comcast have gobs of and make more of every year. </div>That's how percentage-based profits generally work.  If you increase your revenue, your dollars of profit also go up.<br><br>Comcast's direct costs of network operations were $523 million last year, but as their <A HREF="http://www.comcast.com/2008annualreview/pdf/2008comcast10K.pdf">10K filing states</a>:<br><blockquote>High-speed Internet expenses and phone expenses include certain direct costs identified by us for providing these services. Other related costs associated with providing these services are generally shared among all our cable services and are not allocated to these captions. The decrease in high-speed Internet expenses in 2008 was primarily driven by lower support service costs that were the result of our entering into new contracts with lower cost providers and renegotiating existing contracts. High-speed Internet expenses increased in 2007 primarily due to growth in the number of customers receiving these services and the addition of our newly acquired cable systems.</blockquote><br><br>So outside of direct hardware costs for services that are 100% dedicated to HSI service only, you have no way to really determine what their total expenditure was to provide the service.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1646149" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1646149');">sonicmerlin</a>:</small><br><br>Money that was given to them to the tune of $300 billion over the last 10 years, and that they pocketed.</div>Link please?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : [BQUOTE=espaethIf you want to break it down, a 38mbps DOCSIS channel (ignoring overhead) can transfer a total of 12,312GB/mo, [/BQUOTE... about 50 x 250 GB.  Interesting.<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sonicmerlin posted : It is very easily augmented by investing money into the network.  Money that both TWC and Comcast have gobs of and make more of every year.<br><br>Money that was given to them to the tune of $300 billion over the last 10 years, and that they pocketed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/297537" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=297537');">en102</a>:</small><br><br>It's barely 1 DVD ISO.<br> </div>even blu-ray maxes out at 50 GB.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/229001" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=229001');">Rally</a>:</small><br><br>There's clearly a huge difference in those type of caps.  I guess this is clearly a great pricing point, because the last mile networks of cable co's can only support 5, 15, 25, 100, 250gb caps. </div>If you want to break it down, a 38mbps DOCSIS channel (ignoring overhead) can transfer a total of 12,312GB/mo, or a total of 17.1GB/hour.   Depending on MSO, local usage, and other such factors each downstream channel has 100-1000 modems attached.<br><br>It really doesn't matter what your position is on caps, the reality is usage is constrained by capacity which is not necessarily easily augmented.   If this were a network built out on cheap commodity Ethernet, it would be a different story.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Rally posted : There's clearly a huge difference in those type of caps.  I guess this is clearly a great pricing point, because the last mile networks of cable co's can only support 5, 15, 25, 100, 250gb caps. <br><small>--<br>The more you talk, the less you listen.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[en102 posted : It's barely 1 DVD ISO.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/229001" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=229001');">Rally</a>:</small><br><br>or time warner's low cap of 5gb!</div>... on the cheapest plan they offered.   The caps went to 100GB on the $75 plan.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IPPlanMan posted : That's probably 3 Netflix/Apple TV HD movies... ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Rally posted : or time warner's low cap of 5gb!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IPPlanMan posted : The fact that we're even discussing the cap means that it's way too low... or shouldn't even exist at all...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Cheese posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1020979" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1020979');">LurkerLito</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/891765" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=891765');">Cheese</a>:</small><br><br>Which is absolutely stupid, if TW is the one offering the content, it should <b>not</b> count against their caps, I could understand if the content is not being stream <b>from</b> them...<br> </div>If this doesn't count against their cap then the service would be favoring it's content over other companies like Hulu etc. Which would make them a target for Net Neutrality advocates for anti-competitive/monopoly behavior.<br><br>The cap should <b>NOT</b> exist in the first place.  <br> </div>Of course it would favor their content, their pipes/their content, while HULU would work, it would just count against the caps. <br><br>And yes, there should be no caps, I agree.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LurkerLito posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/891765" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=891765');">Cheese</a>:</small><br><br>Which is absolutely stupid, if TW is the one offering the content, it should <b>not</b> count against their caps, I could understand if the content is not being stream <b>from</b> them...<br> </div>If this doesn't count against their cap then the service would be favoring it's content over other companies like Hulu etc. Which would make them a target for Net Neutrality advocates for anti-competitive/monopoly behavior.<br><br>The cap should <b>NOT</b> exist in the first place.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Cheese posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/223000" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=223000');">nokiatech</a>:</small><br><br>CDV doesn't count against your internet cap because it does not use your internet connection. This probably will count against the cap.<br> </div>Which is absolutely stupid, if TW is the one offering the content, it should <b>not</b> count against their caps, I could understand if the content is not being stream <b>from</b> them...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[baineschile posted : Kudos to cable for at least giving us more options. With the success of YouTube and Hulu, why wouldnt we expect them to try to get in on the action?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nokiatech posted : CDV doesn't count against your internet cap because it does not use your internet connection. This probably will count against the cap.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IPPlanMan posted : Still got that 250GB cap to deal with....<br><br>Or maybe they can not have it count against your cap like the Comcast Digital Voice.]]></description>
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