Topic 'Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602323 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:41:26 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:41:26 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22607683 said by AVonGauss:

Yet, you are the one constantly advocating metered billing in the Comcast HSI forum. I think your comment may be out of place as Comcast has not announced any attention to do metered billing at this time.
I too would be for FAIR metered billing. Say your service is $59.99/250 gigs... charge 25 cents/GB overage!
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22606613 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:42:45 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22605710 said by IPPlanMan:

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is).... How about the encouragement that if you network sucks people will get their connection from someone else?

Oh that's right, we are dealing with a monopoly / duopoly industry so people really don't have a choice. My bad.

As been shown, if these companies have competition they WILL invest to stay competitive. However, as it stands now they have no reason to invest, just reasons to restrict and charge more for the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22605710 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:45:04 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604751 D) arp traffic
E) Dropped packets
F) Cable box data channel bandwidth]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604751 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:37:42 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604522 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604522 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:26 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604387 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604387 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:33:29 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604027
Canada has no competition and it's not by mistake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604027 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:44:52 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604015
They are a bunch of clowns.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22604015 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:58 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603994 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603994 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:40:08 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603987 said by Kilroy:

said by IPPlanMan:

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is)....
Great in theory. Unproven in reality.ATT, Verizon/MCI/Alter.net/UUNet, Level(3), GlobalCrossing, etc all developed their networks by billing based on usage. Customers are subscribed to a bandwidth level commitment and their usage is tracked and billed according to 95th percentile metering. That's the reason we have all of the backbone capacity that we have today -- more bandwidth usage = more revenue.

said by Kilroy:

The encouragement for infrastructure should be customer retention and acquisition. Unfortunately if there is no competition there is no reason to do anything for the customer.
Which is exactly why metered billing is a favorable solution. Today providers only upgrade their networks to prevent the loss of massive numbers of customers -- if you're a high-usage customer that leaves you without a lot of options. Companies are always seeking to grow their revenue, and metered billing allows them to sell infrastructure upgrades to investors as future sources of revenue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603987 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:39:00 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603980
Metered billing is not done anywhere in the world where there is real competition?

It's amusing to see how easily sheep can be shepherded by these corporate wolves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603980 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:37:54 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603959 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603959 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:35:29 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603560 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603560 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:34:28 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603335 said by IPPlanMan:

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is)....
And exactly how does it encourage investment in infrastructure? Is there any guarantee that any of these overages will go directly to infrastructure upgrades?

Will my bill go down from where it is now? Can grandma get a 5 gig plan for $10 monthly? Metered billing only works when the pricing starts out with actual cost to provide service. And even if I'm not a cable subscriber, I still have a wire in the ground. It does not cost them much to provide service.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603335 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:40 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603140 a) reset packets if the provider throttles the connection (the cabeco/telco is doing this for their benefit, not mine)
b) ad insertion content (stuff I didn't ask for)
c) any cableco/telco 'test' packets/probes to customer premises (not on my dime)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603140 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:22:27 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603113
I expect the same level of competency from Comcast if they tried metered billing.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that it shouldn't be done.

It should be done well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603113 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:13:16 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603058 said by Michael Chaney :

The only way to do it well is to not do it at all.

Encourages infrastructure investment?!?! Are you serious?!?! Do you actually want me to believe that anyone who implements metered billing is going to use that money to reinvest in infrastructure? BS! Roger isn't. If anything, now that caps keep people from using the high-bandwidth applications they want to use, it will only justify then continuing to NOT reinvest in infrastructure.

The incentive to invest in your infrastructure while charging a flat fee is that that flat fee is still orders of magnitude greater than the cost of infrastructure. The current flat fees being charged are more than enough to rake in fat profits even AFTER using a little to upgrade networks to keep up with the pace of traffic growth.

Your case for metered billing is unfounded.
It's ok, let them shoot each other in the foot. It just makes my ISP business better because I don't mess with meters. As one ISP to the others, meters are for making money, not expanding services and upgrading your infrastructure to handle more customers.

Bandwidth gets cheaper every day, but rather than pass along the savings, they pocket the money.
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I haven't seen any independent govt agency checking my electrical or water meter. Does that happen? Is this also applicable to cell phones minutes too?
Electrical and water meters you can get tests done on, mandated by law by your local PUC or Weights and Measures Dept.

Not sure who regulated cellphone minutes accuracy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603049 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:00:28 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603001 said by nasadude:

that being said, if it's going to be done, it has to be done well. but there should also be an independent entity (govt or otherwise) that certifies the accuracy of the metering system the ISP is using - much like what is done with gas pumps, electric meters, water meters, etc.
I haven't seen any independent govt agency checking my electrical or water meter. Does that happen? Is this also applicable to cell phones minutes too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22603001 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:50:24 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602941 said by IPPlanMan:

Something to look forward to with Comcast... :huh:

It's Comcastic!
I thought this was a thread about Cogeco. Why are you talking about Comcast?
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This just in "Obama names metered billing Czar"

Sarcasm: Where do I sign up for this]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602921 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:35:41 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602795
Encourages infrastructure investment?!?! Are you serious?!?! Do you actually want me to believe that anyone who implements metered billing is going to use that money to reinvest in infrastructure? BS! Roger isn't. If anything, now that caps keep people from using the high-bandwidth applications they want to use, it will only justify then continuing to NOT reinvest in infrastructure.

The incentive to invest in your infrastructure while charging a flat fee is that that flat fee is still orders of magnitude greater than the cost of infrastructure. The current flat fees being charged are more than enough to rake in fat profits even AFTER using a little to upgrade networks to keep up with the pace of traffic growth.

Your case for metered billing is unfounded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602795 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:17:11 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602747 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602747 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:11:20 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602725 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602725 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:05:01 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602697 said by IPPlanMan:

That's right... I am!

I think metered billing is a great idea.

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is)....
But if you cap the amount, then why would you need to invest in infrastructure. The need for growth would come to a crawl/stop. This is why its so attractive for the ISPs, more revenue, no video competition, no need to upgrade network capacity, and crazy profits!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602697 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:01:02 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602658 said by IPPlanMan:

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is).... Great in theory. Unproven in reality. The encouragement for infrastructure should be customer retention and acquisition. Unfortunately if there is no competition there is no reason to do anything for the customer.
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It should be done well.
up front statement: I hate the concept of metered billing.

that being said, if it's going to be done, it has to be done well. but there should also be an independent entity (govt or otherwise) that certifies the accuracy of the metering system the ISP is using - much like what is done with gas pumps, electric meters, water meters, etc.

if they want to charge by the bit, they should be made to prove they are accurately measuring the bits being used.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602604 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:50 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602519
I think metered billing is a great idea.

Based on Cogeco, I think they're going to screw it up bigtime if they try it.

That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done.

It should be done well.

My case for metered billing is that it encourages infrastructure investment. What incentive does Comcast have to invest in its infrastructure when you pay them a flat fee each month no matter how much you use... (well, up to 250GB that is)....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602519 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:35:05 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602434 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602434 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:26:05 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602355 --
Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602355 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:16:48 EDT Re: Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602354
And they do supply McAfee, which does have a meter (though not as good as a router flashed with Tomato)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602354 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:16:32 EDT Something to look forward to with Comcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602323
It's Comcastic!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Something-to-look-forward-to-with-Comcast-22602323 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:11:42 EDT