said by phoneboy3 :

Shaw Digital Phone is new so I don't know where you get the idea Shaw is not doing anything new.

said by joshb :

From my point of view when I look at the two companies the big difference that stands out to me as to how the companies decide where to spend money and where to put service is real simple,

Shaw is looking for a place where there is a very low almost no risk and are going to be able to make a return on there investment... Very quickly. This same practice seems to follow them in there Research and development of current products. I would really like Shaw offer something new and exciting not just the same old basic cable products...New hardware new some thing. More internet speed does not cut the mustard for me anymore.

Where on the other hand.. Telus is willing to take a risk, As much as they don't like loosing money Telus has figured out that at times spending money taking risk will make you more money. Look at Telus TV and a number of other ventures Telus has on the go. If you want more information use google.

Again, your just offering one side of it.

said by river_ratbc :

Well, again I'm not sure about that.
In the last few years a lot of the rural areas I've worked in haven't had Shaw High Speed, in fact they didn't have Shaw Cable, as it was deemed too expensive. These same areas did have Telus High Speed, simply because their telephone service originated from a local RSU (Remote Switching Unit). So it was just a matter of installing a Dslam, and they had ADSL. Some customers were just too far from the RSU, and have to resort to dial-up. I still see lots of dial-up in remote areas.
The areas I'm referring to are parts of Sumas Prairie, Matsqui Prairie, Hatzic Prairie, Errington, Whiskey Creek, and Port Alberni. All these areas have Telus ADSL, Telus phone, and dial-up internet. In parts of these area, they have no Shaw cable whatsoever.
Two years ago, Telus ran cable into Tunkwa Lake, to supply the year round residences with dial tone and high speed. They still have no Shaw Cable in the area at all.
Telus is currently spending a lot of money, on replacing the ERA's with RDACS, bringing higher speeds and TTV to neighbourhoods, that were limited because of their distance from the Central Office. I've seen line trucks pulling in fiber and cat 5 cable.
All I'm saying is, from my view point, Shaw does not necessarily win hands down when it comes to more rural areas. There are always going to be exceptions either way, and I am seeing first hand Telus spending money to upgrade their infrastructure.
Just my 2 cents.

said by river_ratbc :

Two years ago, Telus ran cable into Tunkwa Lake, to supply the year round residences with dial tone and high speed. They still have no Shaw Cable in the area at all.

said by phoneboy3 :

That is certainly one end of the argument. Of course you can make the same sorts of arguments for Shaw. It's all about how much each is willing to spend in what areas. Telus still does not have DSL service in many less populated areas that Shaw has served for years. With unlimited budgets both could serve equally well everywhere but there is no such thing as unlimited budget so it's an unrealistic argument.

The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down.

said by river_ratbc :

I have to disagree. Telus speeds are fine a mile or two from the Central Office. Neighbourhood ERA's are installed in most areas, where you start to get beyond 15, 000 feet, so the speeds there are fine. Telus is in the process of installing many RDACs, to allow for TTV and higher speeds, in area's that were previously limited to slower speeds.
My statements are general and of course there will be areas that are out of reach for optimum speeds.

said by phoneboy3 :

If your more than a mile or two from a Telus Exchange your speeds can be pretty crappy and if your in an area with too few potential customers Telus doesn't like to spend much for upgrades to improve speed/service.

said by Kruisey :

I've just had next day service from Telus. The Technician came to my home......How much faster then that could anyone be.?