 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power You can pry my 9-cell and my spare 6-cell from my cold dead hands.  |
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If it allows a bigger battery I am all for it as long as you can open up the device and still swap it for a new one.
Lithium Ion batteries only last for like 2 years.
I had to replace my laptop and cell phone batteries and now my laptop needs another new one as the current one only holds about 10 minutes of charge.
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 sfogliatelleWe Is Whut We AmPremium
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Baton Rouge, LA | reply to haroldo
David Pogue of the NY Times chimed in with his 2¢ in this article: Decoding Battery Life for Laptops |
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 ArthurSWatch Those Blinking LightsPremium
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Hamilton, ON | reply to The Dv8or
said by The Dv8or:said by ArthurS:said by The Dv8or:The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights. Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat. Which can be significantly more expensive, and many people who fly overseas do so for their company, and have no say in this. Good try, though, thanks for playing. Nonsense! Many international carriers have power outlets throughout economy for their overseas flights, and their tickets are priced very competitively. If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power. 5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times. You can try again. |
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 The Dv8orJust call me Dong Suck Oh, M.D.Premium
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Denver, CO | said by ArthurS:If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power. 5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times. You can try again. That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue. Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class. Such is life in the current economy.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by The Dv8or:said by ArthurS:If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power. 5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times. You can try again. That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue. Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class. Such is life in the current economy. Not only that, but not everyone flies for business. Laptops double as movie players, can play light games, etc. With WiFi being offered on flights, casual usage will increase as well. Hopefully power outlets will be offered, but I've never seen them on a domestic flight. |
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ArthurSWatch Those Blinking LightsPremium
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Hamilton, ON
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said by The Dv8or:said by ArthurS:If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power. 5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times. You can try again. That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue. Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class. Such is life in the current economy. Yep, and I'll wager to say that it's more true than untrue. Seems like you only work for slave drivers. If their work is so important that they need to take more than 5 or 6 hours of flight time to do it, most likely they are high enough up the ladder to get business class, or are frequent travelers that can get an upgrade (I used to do that all the time going SFO-NRT). How long is a flight from NYC to LHR? Subtract the appropriate #hours for meals, takeoff and landing, and you have the battery life of a MacBook Pro. I can tell you if a company expects me to work for the entire flight (or for that matter more than 5-6 hours on a flight, they can shove it! I need my rest to adjust to time changes as well so that I'm in my best shape to do business when I arrive!  |
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ArthurSWatch Those Blinking LightsPremium
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Hamilton, ON | reply to Matt
said by Matt:said by The Dv8or:said by ArthurS:If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power. 5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times. You can try again. That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue. Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class. Such is life in the current economy. Not only that, but not everyone flies for business. Laptops double as movie players, can play light games, etc. With WiFi being offered on flights, casual usage will increase as well. Hopefully power outlets will be offered, but I've never seen them on a domestic flight. I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight. Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well! How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours? |
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Winter Park, FL | reply to C0deZer0
said by C0deZer0:I remember back in the olden days when you could buy multiple batteries... and a charger to be able to charge one outside of the laptop. This was good because then you could buy extras and simply pop out a discharged one in order to use a freshly charged battery to keep going. Nowadays, where the hell are you going to find anything that will charge your laptop batteries separately from the laptop? You can't - or at least, I'd never been able to find anyone or anything that could do it. So why bother have a removable battery if you won't make something to justify having it removable? Toshiba makes external 2-battery chargers for their Tecra/Portege series of laptops. Have one to charge the spare battery...
Newer Technology makes external battery chargers for most of the Apple batteries, so if you really need one (like I did on a MacBook), you can get one.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | reply to ArthurS
said by ArthurS:I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight. Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well! How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours? Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less. |
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Vancouver, BC | reply to haroldo
Many/most of the the planes used by top tier carriers (Especially for trans oceanic flights) are now equipped with standard AC power sources and are becoming more common all the time. The last few times I was traveling I only needed the battery while I was waiting at the airport. By the time I arrived, I have watched a couple of movies and had my battery fully charged. |
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So for the tiny % of people who are constantly flying Southwest over the Pacific and are forced to work for 9 hours of the flight (without pay) by their employer without a power outlet AND want to be able to watch a movie during their layover with NO power at the airport and then go straight from the plane to a meeting where there is also no power AND will never have a spare hour to go to the Apple store to get the battery replaced when it is EOL, just order one of these:
»www.hyperdrive.com/HyperMac-Exte···s/91.htm
It's more expensive than the standalone batteries have been, but it allows for longer battery time for the 99% of us who travel constantly with our MBP and, even today, don't carry a second battery. |
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Davenport, FL | reply to OvrQualified
said by OvrQualified:Toshiba makes external 2-battery chargers for their Tecra/Portege series of laptops. Have one to charge the spare battery... Too bad that those product lines generally don't have something that would be appealing to me as far as a notebook purchase. And, as you pointed out, it's so incredibly rare to hear of someone making external battery chargers for their notebooks anymore... which is sad, because if I had a notebook I liked and there was one available, I would be motivated to buy it along with some extra batteries so that I could just rotate batteries as one is discharged, which (in theory) should allow each one to last longer than if it was my one and only. I've noticed in my experiences that since going from a single hard drive to depend on to using even just a pair of them for a simple RAID, the average operating life of each hard drive I'd since had has at least been more than enough to live through its rated warranty, if not beyond. Before, I would be replacing drives almost annually (depending on brand) when I only just had one hard drive in a system.
said by OvrQualified:Newer Technology makes external battery chargers for most of the Apple batteries, so if you really need one (like I did on a MacBook), you can get one. Well, without these external battery chargers, there just isn't much incentive for me to buy a spare battery, because I'd have no real way to charge it without leaving it in the notebook with most companies' notebooks.
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ArthurSWatch Those Blinking LightsPremium
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Hamilton, ON
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said by Matt:said by ArthurS:I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight. Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well! How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours? Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less. What rock have you been hiding under? With careful management of resources, I get 3 1/2 to 4 hours of time with my first generation MacBook Pro 17" that is still on it's original, almost 3 year old battery. With the new MacBook Pro's, it's longer. Edit: With remarks like that, it seems to me you don't own a MacBook Pro, neither do you fly much. |
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said by haroldo:said by Titus Pullo:Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip. ... Things fail, that's how things go. I had an iBook, after 5 years the (second) battery only held a 5 minute charge. I used the power cord for a year. I got a new MacBook. Life goes on. Is this really a big deal? No, not really  .
But there will be customers who will not open their notebooks or order a replacement, and there will be more business for Apple from people mailing them in or making appointments at stores for something even the most mechanically un-inclined can do: swap a battery.
More power to 'em for figuring out a way to make more money.
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ArthurSWatch Those Blinking LightsPremium
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Hamilton, ON | said by Titus Pullo:More power to 'em for figuring out a way to make more money. -- Perhaps $10-20 more than it costs to buy a replaceable battery now? Big deal! I'm still on my original MBP battery, and it's almost 3 years old! |
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said by Matt:Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less. Your kidding, right? AnandTech got nearly 5 HOURS with this benchmark:
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For this benchmark I'm downloading 10GB worth of files from the net (constant writes to the drive), browsing the web (same test as the first one) and watching the first two episodes of Firefly encoded in a 480p XviD format (Quicktime is set to loop the content until the system dies).
So 5 hours of serious computing, and 8 hours of web surfing. Go see for yourself:
»www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.as···3580&p=4 |
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My 2007 MBP gets, if I'm lucky, 3 hours. 2 hours if playing a movie.
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said by obeythelaw:I think it's a good thing. More environmentally friendly and superb performance. If you are traveling long haul on a flight, you can usually plug in during the flight so i don't think that's a huge issue. i'm saving up for a mac book pro 15 inch and hope to get one in a few months. How is this more environmentally friendly?
When the battery goes bad it will go in the garbage just the same as removeable battery.
Also, most lone haul flights do not have outlets. Very few flight have outlets. »www.seatguru.com
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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Katy, TX | reply to russotto
Apple really knows how to nickel and dime their stupid customers.
Now they get people to buy an external iBattery for their overpriced iLaptop.
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