urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| reply to Matt
Re: Microsoft says Vista buyers to get free Windows 7
I'm not going to argue definitions, semantics, version numbers or byte differences with you. For all intents and purposes, the kernel is similar and I haven't wandered. My original point and comment that, " The kernel is directly based off the Vista 2k8 kernel, which is also what the Vista kernel is based off of" is completely factual and inline with what Microsoft representatives are also saying.
Maybe they haven't propagated some of the Windows 2008 R2 kernel changes they've made to Vista SP2 as they did to Windows 7, such as spinlock adjustments, but such 'tweaks' (which I did reference in my first post) are insignificant to the end user and certainly not enough to incite fervour over my use of 'similar.' |
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GameGuy369
join:2004-07-09
Olathe, KS
clubs:
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said by Greg_Z  :Please explain why? And do you know that all W7 is, is a Service Pack of Vista. When Vista came out, people could not wait, but after they saw that it would not run on their archaic machines, then they decided what you are stating, which is incorrect. As for W7, MS is attempting to regain a marketplace that they are loosing to those staying with XP, Vista, have chosen to switch to Apple, or trying Linux. MS is hemorrhaging, and does not know what to do, so they re badge a server edition as a desktop edition, and try to shoot themselves in the foot. They also shot themselves in the foot with the redesigning of MS office. Eh I would disagree. I have been running Vista Ultimate x64 for awhile and it was alright. Nothing special. Nothing bad. But I am now running Win7 Ultimate x64 and my comp runs so much better. Multiple programs load much faster, run smoother, just a good experience overall. |
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howie
Premium,MVM
join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ | reply to Rob
I might end up getting the $49 Home Premium pre-order upgrade deall as I have a valid Home Premium license as well as Ultimate. That seems like a decent deal. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| said by howie :I might end up getting the $49 Home Premium pre-order upgrade deall as I have a valid Home Premium license as well as Ultimate. That seems like a decent deal. I've been thinking about that too since my laptop came with Vista Home Premium. It's a heck of a deal. I'm just worried about my hybrid SLI driver. The Vista driver "works" but eventually hard-locks Windows 7. Since it's managed by Dell, not nVidia, I can't use the standard reference nVidia driver.
I'd be fine with ordering it and waiting on a Dell driver though. I'm perfectly happy with Vista x64 SP2 on my laptop. |
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howie
Premium,MVM
join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ
| Yeah, 49 bucks seems almost too good to pass up. I may dual boot Vista (running issue-free) and install 7 on another partition and work out any bugs I've seen with the beta/rc versions. I love a challenge.  |
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taytong888
join:2005-06-20
Nepean, ON | reply to Rob
What about XP owners who wish to "upgrade" to Windows 7, i.e. bypassing Vista altogether? Will we get similar deals? Secondly, can I use a Win7 Pro upgrade version to upgrade my current XP Home or XP Pro editions? |
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Logan 5
Wondering what happens next..
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit |  reply to Rob
According to various sources, the pricing for W7 Ultimate is almost the same from report to report:
Information Week:
»www.informationweek.com/news/win···18101425
Full Version:$319
Upgrade: $219
Gizmodo:
»gizmodo.com/5302371/windows-7-pr···s-mostly
Full Version:$320
Upgrade:$220
There's more but it's looking like ultimate is not a very good deal at all considering the Extras that Microsoft once supported (and that were what partially justified the higher price for Vista Ultimate) were removed as they are no longer being offered....yet the price remains as high as it was before.. WTF?
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delt4
17 years ... still waiting
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join:2000-07-13
Pittsburgh, PA
·Comcast
| reply to Rob
I currently use Vista Home premium OEM. I definitely want to upgrade to Windows 7 since I'm only running the 32bit edition of Vista right now and have 4gb of ram avail and I am also planning to add more starting with 6gb once I get my i7-x58 system ordered.
Looking at the differences in Windows 7, I see that there are 5 according to the page I hot-linked above. Has anyone used bitlocker before with Vista or the RC of Windows 7? It seems like something that one would use to encrypt banking and CC information. That would mean that I would have to upgrade to at least Ultimate. I'm sure there are 3rd party programs out there that also do this as well.
What flavor of Windows 7 would one recommend for me to upgrade to from my Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit edition? |
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Greg_Z
Premium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | reply to GameGuy369
The thing is, there still are not any vendors writing for 64bit code, same with MS for MS Office.
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | reply to delt4
None, stick with Vista. If it is not broke, why fix? |
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mikedz4
join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV | reply to Rob
I want to upgrade from vista home premium 64 to windows professional 64. Is it possible to do this with an upgrade edition that is clean installed or do I need to pay $200 for the full edition? |
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Greg_Z
Premium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL
·Comcast
| MS is going to state that you will need the full edition. Personally, if I had to upgrade, I would purchase a new machine if needed with 7 on it, if there was no choice to get Vista or XP.
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howie
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join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ | reply to Rob
Am I correct in assuming that this pre-order upgrade offer does not apply in any way, shape or form to current XP users? |
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL
·Comcast
| said by howie :Am I correct in assuming that this pre-order upgrade offer does not apply in any way, shape or form to current XP users? You are correct. Why would MS discount for users of a OS that is over 9 years old?
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howie
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join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ
| said by Greg_Z :said by howie :Am I correct in assuming that this pre-order upgrade offer does not apply in any way, shape or form to current XP users? You are correct. Why would MS discount for users of a OS that is over 9 years old? Thought so, thanks!  |
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CCat
Purrplexity
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join:2005-12-06
Wonderland
·RoadRunner Cable
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| reply to Rob
This is part of the article from ars technica that KickMe posted on page 2 of this thread.
Upgrading from XP or Vista with a retail copy
While these price changes are positive for consumers (none of the products has increased in price), they are rather disappointing for those hoping for much more aggressive price slashes given the current economic climate. Thankfully, retail pricing is typically used as a starting point; most users will not be buying retail versions anyway. Retail sales account for less than 5 percent of Windows sales, the rest of sales are via OEM. Some consumers will either grab an OEM copy via an online or in-store purchase, but most will be getting a copy of Windows 7 with the next purchase of their PC.
Windows XP users need to know that regardless of which edition they currently have installed (Windows XP Home, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Media Center Edition) and regardless of which edition of Windows 7 they are moving to (Home Premium, Professional , or Ultimate), they will need to perform a clean install, whether they buy the upgrade or full version. The hassle of backing up applications and user data will fall on the user; a clean install will not back up anything. Using Windows Easy Transfer, users can copy their important files and settings to an external USB stick, external hard drive, or DVD, and then move the data back after the installation.
The installer will verify that XP is genuine and Windows 7 will have to be installed on the same partition as the XP installation. The good news is that Microsoft is allowing XP users to buy the cheaper upgrade version if they want to (Microsoft typically lets owners of the two previous releases of Windows to do this, in this case XP and Vista).
This is why I questioned the upgrade vs retail.
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howie
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join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ
1 edit | reply to Rob
I can see the confusion as they do not explicitly mention you have to have Vista to upgrade using the special offer on this page:
»www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/of···der.aspx
(unless I missed it, which is entirely possible).
{EDIT] OMG! I may be wrong about this!
"To be eligible for the offer, you need to be running a genuine copy of the Windows XP or Windows Vista operating systems." |
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CCat
Purrplexity
Premium
join:2005-12-06
Wonderland | MS isnt exactly a fountain of information.
I was just trying to get a simple yes or no....I'm confused enough.
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howie
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join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ
2 edits | reply to Rob
Looks like XP users are covered (see above from the FAQ)!
If so, XP users are gonna jump all over this! |
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mikedz4
join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV | reply to Rob
so i can buy the upgrade to professional from vista home premium but I will have to do a clean install? |
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