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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : They could take tons of business away from repair services with a little common sense. <br><br>Pour coffee into a cheap modern thinkpad, then into the cheapest modern macbook off apple's website. A non-nerd viewing the occurrence might assume the thinkpad costs more. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tweakmy.net/rgt">Macbook repair in NYC</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : Right, since mass manufacturing costs are cheaper than independent (and often large company) repair services. It sucks that they take business from repair services.<br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Midak <A HREF="/useremail/u/591952"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>it seems Apple is moving away from repairable to disposable (price aside.)<br> </div>Apple and everyone else since the late 1970s.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tweakmy.net/rgt">Macbook repair in NYC</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><b>onebadmofo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>/Rant off. It's late here in Paris :-)<br> </div>Nobody likes a show off.<br><small>--<br>Photoshop these nuts in your mouth.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : Again, the battery is not sealed on these new machines and all it takes is a couple of minutes and a screwdriver to replace them. Realize that just because it isn't "hot swappable" per se doesn't mean it's not user replaceable.<br><br>/Rant off. It's late here in Paris :-)<br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/591952"><b>Midak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>Interesting.<br><br>Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.<br> </div>Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)!  :p  Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!<br> </div>Had to do that once to get the HD out of a 12" G4. Fortunately I didn't have to put it back together again as I was scrapping on eBay. :D<br> </div>Try replacing the LED screen on a MacBook Air.  removing that thin, glued on, aluminum bevel, without damaging it, was a major PITA.  Never will I offer to do that again.  BTW, Apple wanted $755 to fix it for a parts cost under $200.  Nice.<br><br>Between that and the new sealed in batteries and looking at the iPhone, it seems Apple is moving away from repairable to disposable (price aside.)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Interesting.<br><br>Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.<br> </div>Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)!  :p  Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!<br> </div>Had to do that once to get the HD out of a 12" G4. Fortunately I didn't have to put it back together again as I was scrapping on eBay. :D<br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : They did good on the body, but the LCD is completely regular user unserviceable. I'm working on having new glass made for this, hopefully by the end of July it'll be done. <br><br>I understand that's one of the few sensible ways to protect the new, much more vulnerable, thin LED LCDs, but it makes it quite a drag when they crack.<br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tweakmy.net/rgt">Macbook repair in NYC</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/132602"><b>bobrk</b></A> : Yep. They fixed all that. I should take a picture of the instructions (all in pictures--no text) inside the lid of the MBP. Freakin' brilliant, if you ask me.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.bobrk.com">bobrk</a></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : Getting the CD drive out of the iBook that uses jumper pins and a connector for the trackpad(as opposed to the ibook that uses a ribbon) is true misery.<br><br>On many PC laptops of the time, you remove one or two screws, and it slides out. <br><br>The modern Macbook Pro(before unibody) reqires you have a right angle screwdriver to remove the two screws attaching the bezel to the LCD frame, or a very tiny one and tons of patience. The time it takes to get to that screw is twice the time it takes to take apart the whole thing, unscrew hinges, lift frame up, and get to the screws. I never understood this either. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tweakmy.net/rgt">Macbook repair in NYC</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Interesting.<br><br>Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.<br> </div>Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)!  :p  Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : Interesting.<br><br>Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tweakmy.net/rgt">Macbook repair in NYC</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/132602"><b>bobrk</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Also, on using a screwdriver, Apple laptops defy logic in construction. To take apart most PC laptops, I do not need separate containers for different screws. With most Macbooks I need an icetray and depending on what I'm doing to it, a separate icetray to hold all the separate screws. <br> </div>Things have changed, my friend. My new MBP had 8 screws, all different lengths, but all called out on the back of the access panel. Piece of cake.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.bobrk.com">bobrk</a></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br>Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. </div>No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them. <br> </div>You're one step closer to death every day too.  Everything wears out.<br><br>Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free.  As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.<br> </div>The hard drive being behind screws is understandable. Hard drives fail. However, they are not <i>guaranteed to fail within a specific timeframe</i> if used daily.<br><br>Batteries are. This is why they are placed in an area where where taking apart the laptop is not necessary.<br><br>Putting them someplace that is not user accessible without taking apart the machine is ridiculous. When Apple does that, they either<br><br>a) take upon the responsibility of replacing the battery for the cost of the battery, with no labor cost, as this is something any user can do on almost every other laptop<br><br>b) accept the flocks of pissed off customers over the next two years.<br><br>Also, on using a screwdriver, Apple laptops defy logic in construction. To take apart most PC laptops, I do not need separate containers for different screws. With most Macbooks I need an icetray and depending on what I'm doing to it, a separate icetray to hold all the separate screws. <br><br>I don't think Apple should be forced to repair items for free outside the warranty for free. However, if they take the end user's ability to do his own repair away, then it becomes their responsibility. <br><br>Isn't the whole Apple marketing campaign based on simplicity and ease of use? There are over 20 videos on their site mocking Windows and comparing it to OSX. Maybe dell can make one where "PC guy" changes the battery on his latitude and "mac hipster" replaces the battery on his new macbook. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/728884"><b>Maggs</b></A> : Delta has power in the first 10 rows of seats in cattle class.<br><small>--<br>Hello, is anyone out there.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : I'm actually about to buy something similar for my iPhone. Nonstop SFO > Heathrow on Friday. Too bad Apple won't price match any of these other places or that I didn't order it in advance, since Apple charges a small fortune for it:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://store.apple.com/us/product/TR823LL/A#overview" >store.apple.com/us/product/TR823&middot;&middot;&middot;overview</A><br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  djrobx <A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.<hr></blockquote><br>Tell that to United.  Going to Australia in August.  No power in Economy or Economy Plus.<br> </div>Perhaps fly Quantas or Air New Zealand? They have outlets in premium economy on their long haul 747's.  Or if you're stuck with United, then get yourself an external battery pack as listed earlier in this thread for a little more than the price of a second battery pack, but with twice the capacity!  Hopefully it should be available by then.  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pitchengine.com/free-release.php?id=10449" >www.pitchengine.com/free-release&middot;&middot;&middot;id=10449</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/132602"><b>bobrk</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  C_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  C_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting<br> </div>So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting?   :uhh:<br> </div>last time i checked unscrewing the laptop voided your warranty  :uhh:<br> </div>The Mac has instructions for doing so included in the box so you can upgrade your memory and hard drive. :uhh:<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.bobrk.com">bobrk</a></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><b>C_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  C_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting<br> </div>So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting?   :uhh:<br> </div>last time i checked unscrewing the laptop voided your warranty  :uhh:<br><small>--<br>"and no matter how drunk you get .. don't lick the wall socket to test polarity..."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><b>djrobx</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.<hr></blockquote>Tell that to United.  Going to Australia in August.  No power in Economy or Economy Plus.<br><small>--<br><b>AT&T U-Hearse</b><br>Your funeral. Delivered.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : after over a hundred replies, I think I have a great workaround<br><br>if you like the idea of a sealed battery, buy it.<br><br>if you don't like the idea, don't buy one!<br><br>In five or ten years if there aren't any Apple laptops sold with removable batteries, that'll be a problem, but until then, the workaround should suffice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  C_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting<br> </div>So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting?   :uhh:<br><br>The few times I've taken my MBP in for repair at my local Apple store, they had it fixed within a couple hours (ProCare membership has paid for itself many times over).  I planned my schedule accordingly and spent those few hours meeting with a client.  I could also have spent a few hours with my wife shopping at the mall.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><b>C_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. </div>No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them. <br> </div>You're one step closer to death every day too.  Everything wears out.<br><br>Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free.  As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.<br> </div>if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting<br><small>--<br>"and no matter how drunk you get .. don't lick the wall socket to test polarity..."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. </div>No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them. <br> </div>You're one step closer to death every day too.  Everything wears out.<br><br>Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free.  As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DavisPhotog <A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. </div>No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Replacement for defects and swapped with a fully charged battery are two entirely different things.<br><br>Why can't you people tell these things apart?  There is much more of a chance to run out of battery power (I don't for a second believe the five hour claim over five years) than to have one quit.  The latter would be covered by Applecare while the former would put you in a world of hurt if you need your computer and are not near power.<br><br>The airline flight argument earlier is all academic.  If you are seriously in need of your computer on the road you don't put up with Apple's design shortcuts.  Period.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  thender <A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anything short of free in store replacement of dead batteries would be nonsense. <br><br>It has become accepted practice to have a non user replaceable battery in phones and MP3 players because these are cheaper devices. $2700 laptops, though? This is going to tick a lot of people off. <br> </div>Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. $2700 for the most expensive model, few of which I EVER see around.<br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/348368"><b>C_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>...And the mile-high club is purest fantasy... </div>I'm a member! Not sure, but does it count if I was alone at the time? :)<br> </div>that would be the solo aviator division<br><small>--<br>"and no matter how drunk you get .. don't lick the wall socket to test polarity..."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1608245"><b>thender</b></A> : Anything short of free in store replacement of dead batteries would be nonsense. <br><br>It has become accepted practice to have a non user replaceable battery in phones and MP3 players because these are cheaper devices. $2700 laptops, though? This is going to tick a lot of people off. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634425"><b>bkjohnson</b></A> : I missed that. A sealed battery would not be a deal breaker for me, but I still prefer easily swappable batteries, and have used them to great advantage, both in cell phones and computers. Our group uses several Macbooks. They have advantages and disadvantages, as do the Windows machines we use. The sealed batteries remind me of some makes of automobiles that have spark plugs that are extremely difficult to access. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bkjohnson <A HREF="/useremail/u/634425"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I personally would rather not have a sealed, soldered battery. </div>Who said the battery is soldered to the internal circuit board?  This ifixit guide seems to indicate otherwise:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody/814/1" >www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-&middot;&middot;&middot;dy/814/1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634425"><b>bkjohnson</b></A> : An observation- If you do a search in this forum, you will find lots of posts related to having change or replace batteries in Mac laptops for various reasons. I personally would rather not have a sealed, soldered battery. I wonder if it's a case of touting something that is cheaper and easier to manufacture as a feature, not a flaw. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><b>onebadmofo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  60529262 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1429893"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is an interesting discussion.  If Apple can indeed provide 5-7 hour life under normal operation for 5 years (I doubt that last claim) then the whole argument is moot.  But...yes you can find long flights with power. You'll have to shell out for Apple's adapter that won't charge the battery, and the MBP may still shut down if your power consumption exceeds the pittance output by these ports.<br><br>The bigger issue in my mind is that batteries do not read press releases or benchmark tests and often just die out of spite.  I had that happen to my 2 year old MBP last weekend.  If I did not have my spare, which I was able to pop in in less than 60 seconds, it would have meant no computer since I was a hundred yards from the nearest power outlet.  Clients don't really appreciate paying you $135/yr while you run to the nearest Apple store (a 2 hour round trip in this case had I not been able to swap right when it happened) when you are supposed to be getting their business back in business.  I would never put myself in that position and neither would anyone else who takes their job seriously.<br><br>A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power.  Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.<br><br>There are other manufacturers--Lenovo for one--who still offers what those who use their computers in the field need, and they do a damn good job of it.  Apple never really had traction there so for them maybe this all makes sense.  I know my next laptop won't be a MBP because of it though.<br> </div>If your business has you out on the road a lot, it would probably be wise to carry a power converter along with you in your vehicle. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://caraudio.avdeals.com/powerinverters/8130100.htm" >caraudio.avdeals.com/powerinvert&middot;&middot;&middot;0100.htm</A><br>That way you can ALWAYS have power.<br><small>--<br>Photoshop these nuts in your mouth.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  60529262 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1429893"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> But...yes you can find long flights with power. You'll have to shell out for Apple's adapter that won't charge the battery, and the MBP may still shut down if your power consumption exceeds the pittance output by these ports.</div>It'll only shut down if the battery is discharged already when you exceed the output of the power port.  So provided you plug in with a charged (or even partially charged) battery, you'll be fine.<br><br><div class="bquote">A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power.  Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.<br></div>This one isn't a matter of style over function.  It's a matter of one function (longer battery life on a single battery) versus another (ease of replacement).   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429893"><b>60529262</b></A> : This is an interesting discussion.  If Apple can indeed provide 5-7 hour life under normal operation for 5 years (I doubt that last claim) then the whole argument is moot.  But...yes you can find long flights with power. You'll have to shell out for Apple's adapter that won't charge the battery, and the MBP may still shut down if your power consumption exceeds the pittance output by these ports.<br><br>The bigger issue in my mind is that batteries do not read press releases or benchmark tests and often just die out of spite.  I had that happen to my 2 year old MBP last weekend.  If I did not have my spare, which I was able to pop in in less than 60 seconds, it would have meant no computer since I was a hundred yards from the nearest power outlet.  Clients don't really appreciate paying you $135/yr while you run to the nearest Apple store (a 2 hour round trip in this case had I not been able to swap right when it happened) when you are supposed to be getting their business back in business.  I would never put myself in that position and neither would anyone else who takes their job seriously.<br><br>A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power.  Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.<br><br>There are other manufacturers--Lenovo for one--who still offers what those who use their computers in the field need, and they do a damn good job of it.  Apple never really had traction there so for them maybe this all makes sense.  I know my next laptop won't be a MBP because of it though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  onebadmofo <A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>...you wouldn't have to do it for another 5 years... </div>I'm betting that they figure the average life span of a laptop is about five years, expecting many (?, some?) to just go out and buy a new one. <br>Plays into the 'planned obsolescence' strategy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><b>onebadmofo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>amidst all the debate on the topic, I thought I'd quote from the article that was the point of this thread <br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>...I&#146;ve been testing these two new Apple laptops, the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 15-inch MacBook Pro, using my own harsh battery test, which I apply to all laptops I review. The results were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested with a battery that fits entirely inside the machine&#146;s dimensions, without sticking out of the back or bottom and adding weight.<br><br>The smaller of the two machines lasted a few minutes shy of five hours in my test. And the larger one lasted five hours and 21 minutes. I estimate that, in a more normal usage scenario, both machines would come close to Apple&#146;s claim of around seven hours between charges&#151;essentially a full workday of unplugged use. <b>Those numbers are likely to obviate the need for spare batteries for the majority of average consumers.</b><br><br>There are some important caveats. I was unable to verify <b>Apple&#146;s claim that these sealed batteries can be fully recharged up to 1,000 times, and thus, last around five years.</b> Second, if and when the sealed batteries do become unable to hold an adequate charge, the entire computer must be returned to Apple for a new battery. The company says that, if you do this at an Apple store, it&#146;s a same-day process and, at least on the 13-inch model, the price of a new battery is the same as what Apple formerly charged for a new removable battery. But it&#146;s still more of a hassle...<hr></blockquote><br> </div>At the end there it states that it IS more of a hassle. I can agree. BUT...you wouldn't have to do it for another 5 years.  <br>And when you DO go to get it swapped out (most of these Apple stores are in a mall correct?), you could make it on a day you'd go to that area anyway. Cause you'd already be there doing some other shopping, eating, and what ever else. <br><br>So when you look at it like that...it wouldn't be all that much of a hassle. <br><br>It's only a hassle if you let it become one.<br><small>--<br>Photoshop these nuts in your mouth.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/132602"><b>bobrk</b></A> : I bought a battery for the first laptop we owned and none since then. This makes perfect sense.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.bobrk.com">bobrk</a></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : amidst all the debate on the topic, I thought I'd quote from the article that was the point of this thread <br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>...I&#146;ve been testing these two new Apple laptops, the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 15-inch MacBook Pro, using my own harsh battery test, which I apply to all laptops I review. The results were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested with a battery that fits entirely inside the machine&#146;s dimensions, without sticking out of the back or bottom and adding weight.<br><br>The smaller of the two machines lasted a few minutes shy of five hours in my test. And the larger one lasted five hours and 21 minutes. I estimate that, in a more normal usage scenario, both machines would come close to Apple&#146;s claim of around seven hours between charges&#151;essentially a full workday of unplugged use. <b>Those numbers are likely to obviate the need for spare batteries for the majority of average consumers.</b><br><br>There are some important caveats. I was unable to verify <b>Apple&#146;s claim that these sealed batteries can be fully recharged up to 1,000 times, and thus, last around five years.</b> Second, if and when the sealed batteries do become unable to hold an adequate charge, the entire computer must be returned to Apple for a new battery. The company says that, if you do this at an Apple store, it&#146;s a same-day process and, at least on the 13-inch model, the price of a new battery is the same as what Apple formerly charged for a new removable battery. But it&#146;s still more of a hassle...<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><b>KrK</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You can replace them.  They're not welded in there.  You just can't replace them easily.</div>I'm ok with that.   As long as it's still a simple process, then it's still replaceable.<br><small>--<br>"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : Funny how everyone is whining about the difficulty of replacing an internal battery, yet they don't whine about replacing RAM or the Hard Drive!  Makes me wonder if some in this thread are so challenged to pick up a screwdriver and undo a couple of screws?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/587153"><b>Ctrl Alt Del</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pnjunction <A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Regarding price and how you can get cheap batts for both PCs and Macs on eBay, well that will be more difficult for most once the battery is 'sealed in', won't it?  </div>The MacBook Air, the first Mac to have a non-removable battery, cost you $129 to replace at an Apple store. That's basically the same price as the battery by itself. &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/support/macbookair/service/battery/" >www.apple.com/support/macbookair&middot;&middot;&middot;battery/</A><br><br>If you don't want to go to an Apple store and want to replace it yourself, you can take the bottom of the machine off and replace the battery yourself. All you need is a screw driver and remove about 14 screws to replace the battery. eBay is listing MacBook Air batteries for $65 Buy It Now.<br><br>The difficulty increased by 14 screws.<br><small>--<br>less talk, more music</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/587153"><b>Ctrl Alt Del</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><blockquote>That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.</blockquote><br><br>You can replace them.  They're not welded in there.  You just can't replace them easily.<br> </div>Correct. There are like 10 or 14 screws you have to go through first (and loose) to take the bottom of the laptop off, but then the battery can be unplugged.<br><small>--<br>less talk, more music</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : <blockquote>That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.</blockquote><br><br>You can replace them.  They're not welded in there.  You just can't replace them easily.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><b>pnjunction</b></A> : Regarding price and how you can get cheap batts for both PCs and Macs on eBay, well that will be more difficult for most once the battery is 'sealed in', won't it?  <br><br>Most people will be looking at expensive replacements directly from and installed by Apple, or even better a brand new machine.  More $$$ for Apple.  I'm not really buying that the battery can be that much better if built in.  What's the difference in volume, a layer of plastic and a connector?<br><br>To those who say it's time for a new laptop when the battery goes, hogwash.  I bought one of the first dual-core PC laptops when they came out almost 3 years ago and despite my best efforts to maintain the battery the life is down to about 1/2 hour.  Got a 9-cell on ebay for $65 that lasts almost 5 hours now, and the laptop still runs great!  What do I need a faster dual-core for?<br><br>I've never bought an MP3 player, cell phone or computer with a non-swappable battery and don't ever plan on it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><b>onebadmofo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KrK <A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The argument is by the time laptop batteries become useless, the laptop is old and has already been replaced by a newer faster model and the old one is no longer carried around or used much.<br><br>That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.<br> </div>But if you never NEED to change or replace it, why design the laptop so it CAN be?<br><small>--<br>Photoshop these nuts in your mouth.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/591952"><b>Midak</b></A> : The one on our Dell completely died to the point it was no longer recognized as being there, three months outside the warranty.  Not crazy about this trend but with anything else, like HD replacement on the new iMacs, it can still be replaced, just not as easily.  Wait for the online tutorials on these new laptops, they will be out soon enough.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><b>Neyland</b></A> : We've owned three laptops in our family.  Personal use, no real business travel.  However, we've had to replace batteries in every one because they went bad.  Had to replace the power supply on one.<br><br>It makes me concerned about the inability to replace the battery should a bad one occur.  It seems more like a way to plan failure and force product turn over quicker than anything else.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><b>KrK</b></A> : The argument is by the time laptop batteries become useless, the laptop is old and has already been replaced by a newer faster model and the old one is no longer carried around or used much.<br><br>That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.<br><small>--<br>"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609089"><b>onebadmofo</b></A> : Here's a video from Apple on the subject:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/#battery" >www.apple.com/macbookpro/#battery</A><br> I've never ever EVER had to replace a battery because of it coming to the end of it's life.<br><br>So this just makes sense to me to do. Plus by the time it does show signs of dieing...most people are looking to replace the laptop with a new one anyway.<br><small>--<br>Photoshop these nuts in your mouth.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/789469"><b>exocet_cm</b></A> : I have three hi-cap batteries for my Dell Inspiron 1525 and I swap them out regularly (ie: every 3 hours) while at work.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/505827"><b>GlobalMind</b></A> : I think it comes down more to what some mfgs want to (dare I say) force onto the consumers vs the consumer saying "hey I want an embedded battery".  For one it keeps you coming back for a new machine when that internal battery won't charge, or you get to send it in for "repair" to get a new one installed, assuming it can be.<br><br>For smaller devices I can see it, the iPod (not iPhone mind you, think phone batts should be removable), the Netbooks those types of things.<br><br>Someone mentioned better performance, and I really don't see that as a factor or IMHO even being the truth in either battery life or system performance.<br><br>The other part is those of us who would do any work on a system prefer to have ALL power sources cut from the device. That means the battery gets removed anytime any work on the guts of the machine are performed.<br><br>And flying an airline with seat power isn't always available although that's changing.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.theglobalmind.com">TheGlobalMind.com</a>  / Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go? / Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. - Ralph Waldo Emerson / Free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/722308"><b>Rexter</b></A> : Well, I guess I'm part of the 5%. I generally get more than 3 years out of a laptop, but never so long out of a battery. <br><br>Perhaps I'm a minority, but I would not purchase a laptop that I cannot replace the battery on, especially not a higher end laptop.<br><br>Just my two cents..... Thumbs down!<br><small>--<br>With every new wave of optimism, or pessimism, we are ready to abandon history, and time tested principles, but we cling tenaciously and unquestioningly to our prejudices. (Benjamin Graham)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>...And the mile-high club is purest fantasy... </div>I'm a member! Not sure, but does it count if I was alone at the time? :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>.or maybe people might sleep, watch a movie, listen to music, talk with a companion or stranger, eat, walk around, read a book or try to join that avaition (Mile High) club .<br> </div>You must be flying in private jets or something.  For those of us back in steerage on commercial jets, the plane's entertainment system typically doesn't work or has a horrible buzz.  There's little enough room that even a short guy like me is too cramped to sleep.  There's only so long a book lasts.  And the mile-high club is purest fantasy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/587153"><b>Ctrl Alt Del</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  r81984 <A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It lasted just as long as the original battery.<br> </div>Someone already showed you that buying an original battery for a Mac is the same price, or even cheaper, than buying a battery for a PC. Then you turn to eBay to show how cheap PC batteries are? Really? Did you not think that you can also get really cheap Mac batteries on eBay too?<br><br>Hey, look at that, a Mac battery that falls within your $50 to $80 price range. Yet again, Apple actually isn't overpriced.<br><small>--<br>less talk, more music</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22613930?c=1443051&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYwODY5Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="63968 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=353 SRC="/r0/download/1443051.thumb600~30971bde1f15782cdb0c69e056aedc34/MacBatt.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/370258"><b>Eldon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RR Conductor <A HREF="/useremail/u/610550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm, and they say Microsoft is the big, greedy "man" ;)  Apple has good products and is selling a ton of them, things like this will only sour their reputation.<br> </div>You would think that Apple would have learned from the past when they were foolish enough to adopt that new-fangled "USB" for keyboards and mice and started shipping computers without floppy drives.. oh the uproar those things caused.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/854291"><b>jram</b></A> : Hmm, and they say Microsoft is the big, greedy "man"  Apple has good products and is selling a ton of them, things like this will only sour their reputation.<br><br>This will catch on fast, nothing wrong with sealed batteries. I get over 7 hours on a charge without even trying. Most users don't buy a spare battery. To replace the battery where I live , you call for an appointment, it cost 159 plus tax, you can wait. I rather pay that than have to fool with a spare battery that I wouldn't purchase anyway. As you will see most will follow Apple. My old PB still has the same battery after 1500 cycles so.....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RR Conductor <A HREF="/useremail/u/610550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Hmm, and they say Microsoft is the big, greedy "man" ;)  Apple has good products and is selling a ton of them, things like this will only sour their reputation.<br> </div>It's absurd to ridicule a company for seeking profit, that is the only reason why they exist. <br>Innovation is an integral part of all business decision. Some are good, some aren't, the consumer gets to decide. If enough people like the product change, it will become the norm, if not, it will fade away.<br>I have a great idea...for all those that are opposed to laptops with sealed batteries...don't buy one. <br>There are plenty of laptops for sale that have replacable batteries.<br>Millions upon millions of iPods/iPhones are being sold with sealed batteries. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1368956"><b>gar187er</b></A> : that story is lame, it mentions buying a spare battery...not replacement batteries...so its a completely useless article, cause i doubt they compared the amount of spare vs. replacement numbers.....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/610550"><b>RR Conductor</b></A> : Hmm, and they say Microsoft is the big, greedy "man" ;)  Apple has good products and is selling a ton of them, things like this will only sour their reputation.<br><small>--<br>You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : [sarcasm]I guess we've come to a conclusion.<br>People who spend most of their time near a power outlet should consider buying the new sealed battery MacBooks.<br>People who travel extensively on airplanes without outlets (is that a double negative?) might consider these units, but would need to travel with a spare computer (synchronized with MobileMe) to use in case they run out of power.<br>[/sarcasm]]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/897844"><b>N3OGH</b></A> : I have a first generation MBP and I am on my second battery.<br><br>I spend a lot of time away from the power adaptor, so I tend to burn through charge cycles.<br><br>I would prefer a slimier form factor that facilitated a tool free battery replacement.  When it comes to the use of my mobile devices I'm a bit of a power user on the mobile front. I take full advantage of tether free computing and communicating.<br><br>Even though I practice good battery "hygiene" for lack of a better term, I haven't had a cell phone battery last me more than a year before going in the tank.<br><br>My MBP was my first desktop replacement, so I sure as shit mobiled it a LOT.  I was glad to be able to replace the battery myself with no tools.<br><br>This is the first laptop I've had that was my primary computer for 3+ years and it's still going strong.  I plan on cracking it open when Snow Leopard comes out and putting a much fatter HD in.<br><br>With the shift towards batteries that aren't user replaceable, looks like I'll be hanging on to my old MBP as long as possible....<br><small>--<br>Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power&#133;</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><b>Titus Pullo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bbarrera <A HREF="/useremail/u/226051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The Apple hating is getting pretty thick in here. <br> </div>What's thick is how the slightest difference of opinion on something is "Apple hating."  It's absolutely ludicrous. I own, and use, nothing but Apple computers, but I'm a hater if I voice any opinion on what the company does that isn't tantamount to fawning sycophancy in total and utter agreement with the flock. It's a company. What part of that escapes people?<br>--]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.<br> </div>That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue.  Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class.  Such is life in the current economy.<br> </div>The current economy will be over before you know it.<br><small>--<br>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.<br>-:-<br>"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."~Ronald Reagan</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rex0 <A HREF="/useremail/u/582528"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.<br><br>A serious question to those who fly overseas often, which airlines are you flying without power? I've had outlets even on the cheapest discount charters.<br> </div>Scandinavian Airlines (SAS)<br><small>--<br>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.<br>-:-<br>"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."~Ronald Reagan</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights.<br> </div>Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat.<br> </div>And once again, the consumer is faulted because the corps want to squeeze another buck out of us by engineering shitty products.<br><small>--<br>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.<br>-:-<br>"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."~Ronald Reagan</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  obeythelaw <A HREF="/useremail/u/799910"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I think it's a good thing.  More environmentally friendly and superb performance.  If you are traveling long haul on a flight, you can usually plug in during the flight so i don't think that's a huge issue.  i'm saving up for a mac book pro 15 inch and hope to get one in a few months. <br> </div>Uh, it is actually a big issue... Not everyone flies business or first class.<br><small>--<br>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.<br>-:-<br>"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."~Ronald Reagan</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><b>Titus Pullo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>Yes. Multiply that by the number of Macbooks sold from this point forward with this type of battery. Not bad, eh?<br>--<br> </div>You're being silly.  How many laptops do YOU own that Apple should profit an extra $10-20 so a technician can do in 15 minutes what any human being who knows how to use a screwdriver?  Do you whine about swapping out memory in a MacBook Pro the same way? it's just as difficult to do as a battery swap!   :uhh:eg<br> </div>I'm being factitious.  I would've thought it obvious. Oh well ...<br>---]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1034358"><b>jmycknshk</b></A> : thats the key, right there. as long as they make it so you have an option to replace the battery at a reasonable cost, i'm fine with the tradeoff. longer lasting battery, better, more solid design of the laptop? i'll take that deal every time.<br><br>the battery in my laptop is loose and wiggles and creaks against the palstic when i pick it up. it would be nice to have that not happen when moving about.<br><small>--<br>Blogging is fun... &raquo;<A HREF="http://techblik.blogspot.com" >techblik.blogspot.com</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/621463"><b>Nemokrad</b></A> : I don't even understand why this issue is even debatable. There are external batteries with magsafe connectors. There's nothing to complain about.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bbarrera <A HREF="/useremail/u/226051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The Apple hating is getting pretty thick in here. Apparently Gizmodo is right and Anandtech, a sight run by an engineer with extremely high-quality technical articles, is wrong. I think the truth is somewhere in between, and I believe its possible to repeat the results of both reviewers.<br><br>Realistically very few people need extra batteries, and those that do will need an external battery or forget about the Macbook Pro. In my 20 years of sales I only carried extra batteries on a few flights, realized working on an airplane is a pain in the ass unless in business class, and only use my computer for several hours while traveling. Which is pretty much the status quo on the flights I've been on, except for those watching movies (and the Macbook Pro clearly delivers when it comes to movies). Personally I run laptops at medium brightness, and desktop LCDs near 10% brightness, anything above that is too harsh.<br><br>Realistically the new Macbook Pros have incredible battery life given the amount of computing power (this isn't an Atom), particularly when you are just web surfing.<br> </div>Spoken by someone who is realistic about laptop use in airplanes, my thoughts exactly!  Amazing how many in this thread have little experience in an airplane cabin, or don't understand the life of a frequent traveler, nor have any experience with a MBP to understand that the built in battery is not a big deal at all!  I guess that's what you get when this thread appears on the DSLR top 10 threads, thoughtless drivel.  The last time I bought a spare battery was for my 12" PowerBook G4, and most of the time it stayed home!  I was flying at least once a month to Asia at the time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/226051"><b>bbarrera</b></A> : The Apple hating is getting pretty thick in here. Apparently Gizmodo is right and Anandtech, a sight run by an engineer with extremely high-quality technical articles, is wrong. I think the truth is somewhere in between, and I believe its possible to repeat the results of both reviewers.<br><br>Realistically very few people need extra batteries, and those that do will need an external battery or forget about the Macbook Pro. In my 20 years of sales I only carried extra batteries on a few flights, realized working on an airplane is a pain in the ass unless in business class, and only use my computer for several hours while traveling. Which is pretty much the status quo on the flights I've been on, except for those watching movies (and the Macbook Pro clearly delivers when it comes to movies). Personally I run laptops at medium brightness, and desktop LCDs near 10% brightness, anything above that is too harsh.<br><br>Realistically the new Macbook Pros have incredible battery life given the amount of computing power (this isn't an Atom), particularly when you are just web surfing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Yes. Multiply that by the number of Macbooks sold from this point forward with this type of battery. Not bad, eh?<br>--<br> </div>You're being silly.  How many laptops do YOU own that Apple should profit an extra $10-20 so a technician can do in 15 minutes what any human being who knows how to use a screwdriver?  Do you whine about swapping out memory in a MacBook Pro the same way? it's just as difficult to do as a battery swap!   :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Who's going to reduce the screen brightness to 50% unless you're flying at night? Not to mention usage in the airport. Let's be realistic here. The new Macbooks make GREAT strides in battery life, but they are still nowhere near the claimed life. This is not exclusive to Apple, all laptop makers lie about it. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://gizmodo.com/5287179/macbook-pro-2009-review" >gizmodo.com/5287179/macbook-pro-2009-review</A><br> </div>I reduce the brightness of my MBP screen quite often, even during the daytime.  If in an airport, I easily find an AC outlet to plug into if I need it.  I think you're the one being unrealistic, do you own a MacBook Pro to back up your claims?  I'm typing on one right now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  r81984 <A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Replacement batteries for laptops are around 50 to 80 bucks, why is it not worth replacing?<br> </div>Nah, not on a slow 5 year old iBook. At some point it's no longer worth investing in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><b>r81984</b></A> : It lasted just as long as the original battery.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22611158?c=1442852&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYwODY5Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="563886 bytes" WIDTH=600  SRC="/r0/download/1442852.thumb600~e57a7855ee1ec5d74107a9d9b3a9d85a/battery.bmp/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bbarrera <A HREF="/useremail/u/226051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less. </div>Your kidding, right? AnandTech got nearly 5 HOURS with this benchmark:<br>   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>For this benchmark I'm downloading 10GB worth of files from the net (constant writes to the drive), browsing the web (same test as the first one) and watching the first two episodes of Firefly encoded in a 480p XviD format (Quicktime is set to loop the content until the system dies).<hr></blockquote><br>So 5 hours of serious computing, and 8 hours of web surfing. Go see for yourself:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3580&p=4" >www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.as&middot;&middot;&middot;3580&p=4</A><br> </div>Who's going to reduce the screen brightness to 50% unless you're flying at night? Not to mention usage in the airport. Let's be realistic here. The new Macbooks make GREAT strides in battery life, but they are still nowhere near the claimed life. This is not exclusive to Apple, all laptop makers lie about it. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://gizmodo.com/5287179/macbook-pro-2009-review" >gizmodo.com/5287179/macbook-pro-2009-review</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431014"><b>dscl</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  r81984 <A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Apple really knows how to nickel and dime their stupid customers.<br>Now they get people to buy an external iBattery for their overpriced iLaptop.<br> </div>Apple is over price you say.......<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22611111?c=1442847&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYwODY5Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="57443 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=497 HEIGHT=357 SRC="/r0/download/1442847~87a5ccc7798715667f98b2e3e9e4f425/Picture%201.png"></A><br>Dell</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22611111?c=1442848&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYwODY5Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="26173 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=488 HEIGHT=251 SRC="/r0/download/1442848~8bbd3a5a829588ba2782209a6dda0314/Picture%202.png"></A><br>Apple</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><b>Titus Pullo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>More power to 'em for figuring out a way to make more money.<br>--<br> </div>Perhaps $10-20 more than it costs to buy a replaceable battery now?  Big deal!  I'm still on my original MBP battery, and it's almost 3 years old!<br> </div>Yes. Multiply that by the number of Macbooks sold from this point forward with this type of battery. Not bad, eh?<br>--]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : Replacement batteries for Apple laptops tend to be around $130.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><b>r81984</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>...Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal.  If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop.<br> </div>It was an old iBook with Leopard, so it wasn't worth replacing, but it also wasn't worth buying a replacement battery.<br>The iBook rarely left the den, so it really wasn't a mobile computer.<br>When the display died, I bought the MacBook.<br>You can't pay me to use a desktop computer.<br> </div>Replacement batteries for laptops are around 50 to 80 bucks, why is it not worth replacing?<br><small>--<br>For those of you playing a drinking game.... MY FRIENDS!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><b>r81984</b></A> : Apple really knows how to nickel and dime their stupid customers.<br>Now they get people to buy an external iBattery for their overpriced iLaptop.<br><small>--<br>For those of you playing a drinking game.... MY FRIENDS!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461189"><b>DavisPhotog</b></A> : Yeah, I've got to say that I'm trusting the demonstrated battery life benchmarks by the tech review outlets. <br><br>My 2007 MBP gets, if I'm lucky, 3 hours. 2 hours if playing a movie. <br><small>--<br>I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named <A HREF="http://flyingphotog.com">Flyingphotog.com</a>. User known formerly as zakooldude.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/226051"><b>bbarrera</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less. </div>Your kidding, right? AnandTech got nearly 5 HOURS with this benchmark:<br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>For this benchmark I'm downloading 10GB worth of files from the net (constant writes to the drive), browsing the web (same test as the first one) and watching the first two episodes of Firefly encoded in a 480p XviD format (Quicktime is set to loop the content until the system dies).<hr></blockquote>So 5 hours of serious computing, and 8 hours of web surfing. Go see for yourself:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3580&p=4" >www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.as&middot;&middot;&middot;3580&p=4</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>More power to 'em for figuring out a way to make more money.<br>--<br> </div>Perhaps $10-20 more than it costs to buy a replaceable battery now?  Big deal!  I'm still on my original MBP battery, and it's almost 3 years old!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><b>Titus Pullo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip.<br>... </div>Things fail, that's how things go.<br>I had an iBook, after 5 years the (second) battery only held a 5 minute charge. I used the power cord for a year. I got a new MacBook.<br>Life goes on.<br>Is this really a big deal?<br> </div>No, not really  :) .<br><br>But there will be customers who will not open their notebooks or order a replacement, and there will be more business for Apple from people mailing them in or making appointments at stores for something even the most mechanically un-inclined can do: swap a battery.<br><br>More power to 'em for figuring out a way to make more money.<br>--]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight.  Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well!  How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours?   :uhh:<br> </div>Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less.<br> </div>What rock have you been hiding under?  With careful management of resources, I get 3 1/2 to 4 hours of time with my first generation MacBook Pro 17" that is still on it's original, almost 3 year old battery.  With the new MacBook Pro's, it's longer.  Edit:  With remarks like that, it seems to me you don't own a MacBook Pro, neither do you fly much.   :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/488350"><b>C0deZer0</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  vboyer <A HREF="/useremail/u/572196"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Toshiba makes external 2-battery chargers for their Tecra/Portege series of laptops.  Have one to charge the spare battery...</div>Too bad that those product lines generally don't have something that would be appealing to me as far as a notebook purchase. And, as you pointed out, it's so incredibly rare to hear of someone making external battery chargers for their notebooks anymore... which is sad, because if I had a notebook I liked and there was one available, I would be motivated to buy it along with some extra batteries so that I could just rotate batteries as one is discharged, which (in theory) should allow each one to last longer than if it was my one and only. I've noticed in my experiences that since going from a single hard drive to depend on to using even just a pair of them for a simple RAID, the average operating life of each hard drive I'd since had has at least been more than enough to live through its rated warranty, if not beyond. Before, I would be replacing drives almost annually (depending on brand) when I only just had one hard drive in a system.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  vboyer <A HREF="/useremail/u/572196"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Newer Technology makes external battery chargers for most of the Apple batteries, so if you really need one (like I did on a MacBook), you can get one.</div>Well, without these external battery chargers, there just isn't much incentive for me to buy a spare battery, because I'd have no real way to charge it without leaving it in the notebook with most companies' notebooks.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/78nuq">Front Line Force</a> <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/6z6cf">Fortress Forever</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/370258"><b>Eldon</b></A> : So for the tiny % of people who are constantly flying Southwest over the Pacific and are forced to work for 9 hours of the flight (without pay) by their employer without a power outlet AND want to be able to watch a movie during their layover with NO power at the airport and then go straight from the plane to a meeting where there is also no power AND will never have a spare hour to go to the Apple store to get the battery replaced when it is EOL, just order one of these:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.hyperdrive.com/HyperMac-External-MacBook-Battery-and-Car-Charger-s/91.htm" >www.hyperdrive.com/HyperMac-Exte&middot;&middot;&middot;s/91.htm</A><br><br>It's more expensive than the standalone batteries have been, but it allows for longer battery time for the 99% of us who travel constantly with our MBP and, even today, don't carry a second battery.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><b>decx</b></A> : Many/most of the the planes used by top tier carriers (Especially for trans oceanic flights) are now equipped with standard AC power sources and are becoming more common all the time.  The last few times I was traveling I only needed the battery while I was waiting at the airport.  By the time I arrived, I have watched a couple of movies <i>and</i> had my battery fully charged.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight.  Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well!  How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours?   :uhh:<br> </div>Do you believe a modern laptop actually gets 5-6 hours while you are using it? Most reviews put the new Macbooks around 3:30 and the older Macbook at an hour less.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/572196"><b>vboyer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  C0deZer0 <A HREF="/useremail/u/488350"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I remember back in the olden days when you could buy multiple batteries... and a charger to be able to charge one outside of the laptop. This was good because then you could buy extras and simply pop out a discharged one in order to use a freshly charged battery to keep going.<br><br>Nowadays, where the hell are you going to find anything that will charge your laptop batteries separately from the laptop? You can't - or at least, I'd never been able to find anyone or anything that could do it. So why bother have a removable battery if you won't make something to justify having it removable? </div>Toshiba makes external 2-battery chargers for their Tecra/Portege series of laptops.  Have one to charge the spare battery...<br><br>Newer Technology makes external battery chargers for most of the Apple batteries, so if you really need one (like I did on a MacBook), you can get one.<br><small>--<br>The enemy of my enemy is my WHAT?!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.<br> </div>That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue.  Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class.  Such is life in the current economy.<br> </div>Not only that, but not everyone flies for business. Laptops double as movie players, can play light games, etc. With WiFi being offered on flights, casual usage will increase as well. Hopefully power outlets will be offered, but I've never seen them on a domestic flight.<br> </div>I would think 5-6 hours of movie time is plenty for an overseas flight.  Don't forget modern airplanes have entertainment systems as well!  How many domestic flights are longer than 5-6 hours?   :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.<br> </div>That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue.  Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class.  Such is life in the current economy.<br> </div>Yep, and I'll wager to say that it's more true than untrue.  Seems like you only work for slave drivers.  If their work is so important that they need to take more than 5 or 6 hours of flight time to do it, most likely they are high enough up the ladder to get business class, or are frequent travelers that can get an upgrade (I used to do that all the time going SFO-NRT).  How long is a flight from NYC to LHR?  Subtract the appropriate #hours for meals, takeoff and landing, and you have the battery life of a MacBook Pro.  I can tell you if a company expects me to work for the entire flight (or for that matter more than 5-6 hours on a flight, they can shove it!  I need my rest to adjust to time changes as well so that I'm in my best shape to do business when I arrive!   :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.<br> </div>That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue.  Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class.  Such is life in the current economy.<br> </div>Not only that, but not everyone flies for business. Laptops double as movie players, can play light games, etc. With WiFi being offered on flights, casual usage will increase as well. Hopefully power outlets will be offered, but I've never seen them on a domestic flight.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><b>The Dv8or</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.<br> </div>That's a hell of an assumption to make, and is often untrue.  Many people have shit they got to get done on the plane, but the company doesn't pony up for business class.  Such is life in the current economy.<br><small>--<br>You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights.<br> </div>Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat.<br> </div>Which can be significantly more expensive, and many people who fly overseas do so for their company, and have no say in this.  Good try, though, thanks for playing. </div>Nonsense!  Many international carriers have power outlets throughout economy for their overseas flights, and their tickets are priced very competitively.  If your time is soooo important that you need to work through the entire flight, then you will likely be flying business class, which increases your odds of getting seat power.  5-6 hours of battery life for work is plenty for a flight across the pond when you factor in time you will be sleeping and eating, been there, done that too many times.  You can try again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/637419"><b>sfogliatelle</b></A> : David Pogue of the NY Times chimed in with his 2&cent; in this article: <A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/technology/personaltech/25pogue.html?8cir&emc=cirb1">Decoding Battery Life for Laptops</a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515934"><b>r81984</b></A> : If it allows a bigger battery I am all for it as long as you can open up the device and still swap it for a new one.<br>Lithium Ion batteries only last for like 2 years.<br><br>I had to replace my laptop and cell phone batteries and now my laptop needs another new one as the current one only holds about 10 minutes of charge.<br><small>--<br>For those of you playing a drinking game.... MY FRIENDS!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : You can pry my 9-cell and my spare 6-cell from my cold dead hands.  :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><b>The Dv8or</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haroldo <A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>...Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal.  If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop.<br> </div>It was an old iBook with Leopard, so it wasn't worth replacing, but it also wasn't worth buying a replacement battery.<br>The iBook rarely left the den, so it really wasn't a mobile computer.<br>When the display died, I bought the MacBook.<br>You can't pay me to use a desktop computer.<br> </div>Its a big deal for those who actually let their laptop leave their desk and need to use it where an outlet isnt always accessible.<br><small>--<br>You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>...Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal.  If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop.<br> </div>It was an old iBook with Leopard, so it wasn't worth replacing, but it also wasn't worth buying a replacement battery.<br>The iBook rarely left the den, so it really wasn't a mobile computer.<br>When the display died, I bought the MacBook.<br>You can't pay me to use a desktop computer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/582528"><b>rex0</b></A> : On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.<br><br>A serious question to those who fly overseas often, which airlines are you flying without power? I've had outlets even on the cheapest discount charters.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><b>The Dv8or</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ArthurS <A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights.<br> </div>Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat.<br> </div>Which can be significantly more expensive, and many people who fly overseas do so for their company, and have no say in this.  Good try, though, thanks for playing.<br><br>Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal.  If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop.<br><small>--<br>You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Titus Pullo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip.<br>... </div>Things fail, that's how things go.<br>I had an iBook, after 5 years the (second) battery only held a 5 minute charge. I used the power cord for a year. I got a new MacBook.<br>Life goes on.<br>Is this really a big deal?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1622702"><b>Bit</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries.  The laptops have provisions to take power from an external battery without charging their internal battery.<br> </div>But I think Apple has a patent on the magsafe connector so people can't make an accessory without a license.<br><small>--<br>POKE 65495,1</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/229702"><b>ArthurS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Dv8or <A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights.<br> </div>Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/175582"><b>elias</b></A> : The good thing about the new sealed batteries is that the price of a new battery includes the replacement, so there's no real need to worry.<br><br>Plus, if you look on iFixit, it's pretty easy to change the battery yourself.<br><br>Personally, the only time I've removed the battery from my MacBook Pro is when I've had Apple send me a new one because mine wasn't holding its charge anymore.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://live.us.telefonica.com">Voype | Telef&oacute;nica (powered by Windows Live Call)</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:35:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031267"><b>Titus Pullo</b></A> : Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip.<br><br>I don't care what their research reveals (I'm half a century old and have never been involved in any such research), removable batteries make perfect sense to me. If their research on this reveals anything on this it's a way to squeeze more money from consumers.<br>--]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:27:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  russotto <A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries... </div>...or maybe people might sleep, watch a movie, listen to music, talk with a companion or stranger, eat, walk around, read a book or try to join that avaition (Mile High) club .]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries.  The laptops have provisions to take power from an external battery without charging their internal battery.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:03:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/799910"><b>obeythelaw</b></A> : I think it's a good thing.  More environmentally friendly and superb performance.  If you are traveling long haul on a flight, you can usually plug in during the flight so i don't think that's a huge issue.  i'm saving up for a mac book pro 15 inch and hope to get one in a few months. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/488350"><b>C0deZer0</b></A> : My biggest desire for a removable battery would only apply if you could charge them outside of the notebook they were meant to plug in to.<br><br>I remember back in the olden days when you could buy multiple batteries... and a charger to be able to charge one outside of the laptop. This was good because then you could buy extras and simply pop out a discharged one in order to use a freshly charged battery to keep going.<br><br>Nowadays, where the hell are you going to find anything that will charge your laptop batteries separately from the laptop? You can't - or at least, I'd never been able to find anyone or anything that could do it. So why bother have a removable battery if you won't make something to justify having it removable?<br><br>In this sense, the added capacity of these integrated batteries (for its useful lifespan) outweigh the fact that it isn't removable in my eyes.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/78nuq">Front Line Force</a> <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/6z6cf">Fortress Forever</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:50:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1432955"><b>Cabal</b></A> : I haven't needed to replace the battery in any laptop I've purchased in the past 8 years, Apple or otherwise.<br><small>--<br>Interested in <A HREF="http://www.romraider.com/">open source engine management</a> for your Subaru?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:24:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/447841"><b>The Dv8or</b></A> : The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/582528"><b>rex0</b></A> : There was a big thread about this when the first 17" with the on board battery came out. I think the consensus here was very few people ever took their battery out other then to replace it (which you can still do yourself on these new macs with 2 screwdrivers, assuming a 3rd party starts making batteries.) Since people are getting 7-8 hours real world use on them, you'd be hard pressed to spend 7-8 hours without coming across a receptacle. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:10:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/437017"><b>TearAbite</b></A> : also probably reduces design costs since gluing a battery inside the case requires less design & parts than creating a case that incorporates a removable battery.<br>Funny thing is that if Dell designs a laptop with a NON-removable battery they are "innovating".. When Apple does the same thing they are "cheating the customer" by forcing them to pay to have the battery replaced or by making the hardware 'disposable' ..  Double standard..]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:33:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431014"><b>dscl</b></A> : <A HREF="http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090625/new-mac-laptops-use-batteries-sealed-for-power-2/">Working Link</a>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:17:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/933188"><b>haroldo</b></A> : Interesting discussion about the shift towards non-removable batteries. <br><br>   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power</b><br>June 25, 2009 <br>by Walter S. Mossberg <br><br>The majority of laptop computers come with removable batteries. This approach allows you to pop in a fresh spare when your battery runs out of juice between charges, and to easily replace a battery when its lifespan is over.<br><br>But there&#146;s a dirty little secret about removable-battery laptops owned by average consumers: Hardly anybody buys extra batteries. Research firm NPD estimates that fewer than 5% of consumers buy a spare. So, a small trend has begun in the industry: More electronic products are being designed with their rechargeable batteries sealed inside. For instance, Dell&#146;s new high-end laptop, the Adamo, has a sealed battery, as does the excellent Flip pocket video camera.<br><br>The leading proponent of this idea is Apple, which has often led the industry in introducing or removing components from computers. This month, Apple unveiled two revised MacBook Pro laptops with higher-capacity, sealed-in batteries. In fact, Apple&#146;s entire line of laptops now uses sealed batteries, except for one low-end MacBook model from last year&#146;s series.<br><br>Apple says this makes sense because sealing in the batteries lets the company make them larger, without adding heft to the laptops. Apple says the two models are the same size and weight as their predecessors, yet their battery capacity has grown by 33% and 46%, respectively....<hr></blockquote><br><br>Read more at &raquo;<A HREF="http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090625/new-mac-laptops-use-batteries-sealed-for-power-2/" >ptech.allthingsd.com/20090625/ne&middot;&middot;&middot;power-2/</A> (edit fixed link)]]></description>
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