Topic 'Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power' in forum 'All Things Macintosh' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22607388 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:27:47 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:27:47 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22737797 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22737797 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:38 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22727345
Pour coffee into a cheap modern thinkpad, then into the cheapest modern macbook off apple's website. A non-nerd viewing the occurrence might assume the thinkpad costs more.
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I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named Flyingphotog.com. User known formerly as zakooldude.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22722067 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:55:53 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22721848 said by Midak:

it seems Apple is moving away from repairable to disposable (price aside.)
Apple and everyone else since the late 1970s.
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/Rant off. It's late here in Paris :-)
Nobody likes a show off.
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/Rant off. It's late here in Paris :-)
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said by ArthurS:

said by thender:

Interesting.

Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.
Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)! :p Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!
Had to do that once to get the HD out of a 12" G4. Fortunately I didn't have to put it back together again as I was scrapping on eBay. :D
Try replacing the LED screen on a MacBook Air. removing that thin, glued on, aluminum bevel, without damaging it, was a major PITA. Never will I offer to do that again. BTW, Apple wanted $755 to fix it for a parts cost under $200. Nice.

Between that and the new sealed in batteries and looking at the iPhone, it seems Apple is moving away from repairable to disposable (price aside.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22707314 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:52:33 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22684098 said by ArthurS:

said by thender:

Interesting.

Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.
Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)! :p Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!
Had to do that once to get the HD out of a 12" G4. Fortunately I didn't have to put it back together again as I was scrapping on eBay. :D
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I understand that's one of the few sensible ways to protect the new, much more vulnerable, thin LED LCDs, but it makes it quite a drag when they crack.

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bobrk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22659564 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:24:28 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22659346
On many PC laptops of the time, you remove one or two screws, and it slides out.

The modern Macbook Pro(before unibody) reqires you have a right angle screwdriver to remove the two screws attaching the bezel to the LCD frame, or a very tiny one and tons of patience. The time it takes to get to that screw is twice the time it takes to take apart the whole thing, unscrew hinges, lift frame up, and get to the screws. I never understood this either.
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Interesting.

Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.
Nothing compares to taking apart a 12" PowerBook G4 (and I have done it several times)! :p Makes the removal of the bottom cover for a present day MBP look like a walk in the park!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22659330 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:00:49 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22659251
Removing the logic board in water damaged white/black macbooks always required a second icetray.
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Also, on using a screwdriver, Apple laptops defy logic in construction. To take apart most PC laptops, I do not need separate containers for different screws. With most Macbooks I need an icetray and depending on what I'm doing to it, a separate icetray to hold all the separate screws.
Things have changed, my friend. My new MBP had 8 screws, all different lengths, but all called out on the back of the access panel. Piece of cake.
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bobrk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22659053 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:17:47 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22658847 said by russotto:

said by thender:

said by DavisPhotog:

Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement.
No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them.
You're one step closer to death every day too. Everything wears out.

Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free. As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.
The hard drive being behind screws is understandable. Hard drives fail. However, they are not guaranteed to fail within a specific timeframe if used daily.

Batteries are. This is why they are placed in an area where where taking apart the laptop is not necessary.

Putting them someplace that is not user accessible without taking apart the machine is ridiculous. When Apple does that, they either

a) take upon the responsibility of replacing the battery for the cost of the battery, with no labor cost, as this is something any user can do on almost every other laptop

b) accept the flocks of pissed off customers over the next two years.

Also, on using a screwdriver, Apple laptops defy logic in construction. To take apart most PC laptops, I do not need separate containers for different screws. With most Macbooks I need an icetray and depending on what I'm doing to it, a separate icetray to hold all the separate screws.

I don't think Apple should be forced to repair items for free outside the warranty for free. However, if they take the end user's ability to do his own repair away, then it becomes their responsibility.

Isn't the whole Apple marketing campaign based on simplicity and ease of use? There are over 20 videos on their site mocking Windows and comparing it to OSX. Maybe dell can make one where "PC guy" changes the battery on his latitude and "mac hipster" replaces the battery on his new macbook. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22658847 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:17:02 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22650884 --
Hello, is anyone out there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22650884 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:35:46 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22640014 Heathrow on Friday. Too bad Apple won't price match any of these other places or that I didn't order it in advance, since Apple charges a small fortune for it:
»store.apple.com/us/product/TR823···overview
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On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.

Tell that to United. Going to Australia in August. No power in Economy or Economy Plus.
Perhaps fly Quantas or Air New Zealand? They have outlets in premium economy on their long haul 747's. Or if you're stuck with United, then get yourself an external battery pack as listed earlier in this thread for a little more than the price of a second battery pack, but with twice the capacity! Hopefully it should be available by then. »www.pitchengine.com/free-release···id=10449]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22636204 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:18:09 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22635898 said by C_:

said by ArthurS:

said by C_:

if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting
So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting? :uhh:
last time i checked unscrewing the laptop voided your warranty :uhh:
The Mac has instructions for doing so included in the box so you can upgrade your memory and hard drive. :uhh:
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said by C_:

if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting
So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting? :uhh:
last time i checked unscrewing the laptop voided your warranty :uhh:
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On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.
Tell that to United. Going to Australia in August. No power in Economy or Economy Plus.
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if you like the idea of a sealed battery, buy it.

if you don't like the idea, don't buy one!

In five or ten years if there aren't any Apple laptops sold with removable batteries, that'll be a problem, but until then, the workaround should suffice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22634367 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:42:20 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22634330 said by C_:

if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting
So because you don't know how to use a screwdriver, when you take your computer in for battery replacement, you expect to be paid for time spent waiting? :uhh:

The few times I've taken my MBP in for repair at my local Apple store, they had it fixed within a couple hours (ProCare membership has paid for itself many times over). I planned my schedule accordingly and spent those few hours meeting with a client. I could also have spent a few hours with my wife shopping at the mall.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22634330 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:35:29 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22634038 said by russotto:

said by thender:

said by DavisPhotog:

Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement.
No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them.
You're one step closer to death every day too. Everything wears out.

Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free. As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.
if they expect me to be without a laptop when they are replacing the battery they better damn well compensate me for time spent waiting
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said by DavisPhotog:

Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement.
No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them.
You're one step closer to death every day too. Everything wears out.

Demanding Apple replace laptop batteries for free is like demanding Ford replace worn-out tires for free. As far as I know, no laptop manufacturer replaces batteries for free outside the warranty period.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22632917 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:18:02 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22632593 said by DavisPhotog:

Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. No it's not. These batteries are one step closer to death everytime you use them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22632593 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:46:08 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22629548
Why can't you people tell these things apart? There is much more of a chance to run out of battery power (I don't for a second believe the five hour claim over five years) than to have one quit. The latter would be covered by Applecare while the former would put you in a world of hurt if you need your computer and are not near power.

The airline flight argument earlier is all academic. If you are seriously in need of your computer on the road you don't put up with Apple's design shortcuts. Period.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22629548 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:40:22 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22628389 said by thender:

Anything short of free in store replacement of dead batteries would be nonsense.

It has become accepted practice to have a non user replaceable battery in phones and MP3 players because these are cheaper devices. $2700 laptops, though? This is going to tick a lot of people off.
Seriously though, it's a small percentage of batteries that need replacement. $2700 for the most expensive model, few of which I EVER see around.
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said by russotto:

...And the mile-high club is purest fantasy...
I'm a member! Not sure, but does it count if I was alone at the time? :)
that would be the solo aviator division
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It has become accepted practice to have a non user replaceable battery in phones and MP3 players because these are cheaper devices. $2700 laptops, though? This is going to tick a lot of people off. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22624725 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:15:04 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22623644 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22623644 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:06:45 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22622650 said by bkjohnson:

I personally would rather not have a sealed, soldered battery. Who said the battery is soldered to the internal circuit board? This ifixit guide seems to indicate otherwise:
»www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-···dy/814/1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22622650 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:05:27 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22622601 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22622601 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:42:12 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22621577 said by 60529262:

This is an interesting discussion. If Apple can indeed provide 5-7 hour life under normal operation for 5 years (I doubt that last claim) then the whole argument is moot. But...yes you can find long flights with power. You'll have to shell out for Apple's adapter that won't charge the battery, and the MBP may still shut down if your power consumption exceeds the pittance output by these ports.

The bigger issue in my mind is that batteries do not read press releases or benchmark tests and often just die out of spite. I had that happen to my 2 year old MBP last weekend. If I did not have my spare, which I was able to pop in in less than 60 seconds, it would have meant no computer since I was a hundred yards from the nearest power outlet. Clients don't really appreciate paying you $135/yr while you run to the nearest Apple store (a 2 hour round trip in this case had I not been able to swap right when it happened) when you are supposed to be getting their business back in business. I would never put myself in that position and neither would anyone else who takes their job seriously.

A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power. Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.

There are other manufacturers--Lenovo for one--who still offers what those who use their computers in the field need, and they do a damn good job of it. Apple never really had traction there so for them maybe this all makes sense. I know my next laptop won't be a MBP because of it though.
If your business has you out on the road a lot, it would probably be wise to carry a power converter along with you in your vehicle.
»caraudio.avdeals.com/powerinvert···0100.htm
That way you can ALWAYS have power.
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But...yes you can find long flights with power. You'll have to shell out for Apple's adapter that won't charge the battery, and the MBP may still shut down if your power consumption exceeds the pittance output by these ports.It'll only shut down if the battery is discharged already when you exceed the output of the power port. So provided you plug in with a charged (or even partially charged) battery, you'll be fine.

A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power. Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.
This one isn't a matter of style over function. It's a matter of one function (longer battery life on a single battery) versus another (ease of replacement). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620837 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:00:01 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620575
The bigger issue in my mind is that batteries do not read press releases or benchmark tests and often just die out of spite. I had that happen to my 2 year old MBP last weekend. If I did not have my spare, which I was able to pop in in less than 60 seconds, it would have meant no computer since I was a hundred yards from the nearest power outlet. Clients don't really appreciate paying you $135/yr while you run to the nearest Apple store (a 2 hour round trip in this case had I not been able to swap right when it happened) when you are supposed to be getting their business back in business. I would never put myself in that position and neither would anyone else who takes their job seriously.

A quickly field replaceable battery is crucial to those who use their laptop computers in critical functions away from power. Apple clearly is playing to the desktop replacement crowd with all of their offerings these days, which is fine for them I guess because that market seems to be more enamored by style than function anyway.

There are other manufacturers--Lenovo for one--who still offers what those who use their computers in the field need, and they do a damn good job of it. Apple never really had traction there so for them maybe this all makes sense. I know my next laptop won't be a MBP because of it though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620575 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:37:21 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620560 said by onebadmofo:

...you wouldn't have to do it for another 5 years... I'm betting that they figure the average life span of a laptop is about five years, expecting many (?, some?) to just go out and buy a new one.
Plays into the 'planned obsolescence' strategy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620560 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:34:18 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620422 said by haroldo:

amidst all the debate on the topic, I thought I'd quote from the article that was the point of this thread

quote:
...I’ve been testing these two new Apple laptops, the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 15-inch MacBook Pro, using my own harsh battery test, which I apply to all laptops I review. The results were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested with a battery that fits entirely inside the machine’s dimensions, without sticking out of the back or bottom and adding weight.

The smaller of the two machines lasted a few minutes shy of five hours in my test. And the larger one lasted five hours and 21 minutes. I estimate that, in a more normal usage scenario, both machines would come close to Apple’s claim of around seven hours between charges—essentially a full workday of unplugged use. Those numbers are likely to obviate the need for spare batteries for the majority of average consumers.

There are some important caveats. I was unable to verify Apple’s claim that these sealed batteries can be fully recharged up to 1,000 times, and thus, last around five years. Second, if and when the sealed batteries do become unable to hold an adequate charge, the entire computer must be returned to Apple for a new battery. The company says that, if you do this at an Apple store, it’s a same-day process and, at least on the 13-inch model, the price of a new battery is the same as what Apple formerly charged for a new removable battery. But it’s still more of a hassle...

At the end there it states that it IS more of a hassle. I can agree. BUT...you wouldn't have to do it for another 5 years.
And when you DO go to get it swapped out (most of these Apple stores are in a mall correct?), you could make it on a day you'd go to that area anyway. Cause you'd already be there doing some other shopping, eating, and what ever else.

So when you look at it like that...it wouldn't be all that much of a hassle.

It's only a hassle if you let it become one.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620422 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:52:32 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620390 --
bobrk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22620390 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:41:39 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22619483
quote:
...I’ve been testing these two new Apple laptops, the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 15-inch MacBook Pro, using my own harsh battery test, which I apply to all laptops I review. The results were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested with a battery that fits entirely inside the machine’s dimensions, without sticking out of the back or bottom and adding weight.

The smaller of the two machines lasted a few minutes shy of five hours in my test. And the larger one lasted five hours and 21 minutes. I estimate that, in a more normal usage scenario, both machines would come close to Apple’s claim of around seven hours between charges—essentially a full workday of unplugged use. Those numbers are likely to obviate the need for spare batteries for the majority of average consumers.

There are some important caveats. I was unable to verify Apple’s claim that these sealed batteries can be fully recharged up to 1,000 times, and thus, last around five years. Second, if and when the sealed batteries do become unable to hold an adequate charge, the entire computer must be returned to Apple for a new battery. The company says that, if you do this at an Apple store, it’s a same-day process and, at least on the 13-inch model, the price of a new battery is the same as what Apple formerly charged for a new removable battery. But it’s still more of a hassle...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22619483 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:48:08 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22618751 said by russotto:

You can replace them. They're not welded in there. You just can't replace them easily.I'm ok with that. As long as it's still a simple process, then it's still replaceable.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22618751 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:16:37 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616906 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616906 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:47:43 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616369 said by pnjunction:

Regarding price and how you can get cheap batts for both PCs and Macs on eBay, well that will be more difficult for most once the battery is 'sealed in', won't it? The MacBook Air, the first Mac to have a non-removable battery, cost you $129 to replace at an Apple store. That's basically the same price as the battery by itself. »www.apple.com/support/macbookair···battery/

If you don't want to go to an Apple store and want to replace it yourself, you can take the bottom of the machine off and replace the battery yourself. All you need is a screw driver and remove about 14 screws to replace the battery. eBay is listing MacBook Air batteries for $65 Buy It Now.

The difficulty increased by 14 screws.
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less talk, more music]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616369 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:20:12 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616309 said by russotto:

That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.


You can replace them. They're not welded in there. You just can't replace them easily.
Correct. There are like 10 or 14 screws you have to go through first (and loose) to take the bottom of the laptop off, but then the battery can be unplugged.
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less talk, more music]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616309 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:13:37 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616204 That may be a valid point... However, the fact you can't change them or replace them at all is still a stupid idea.

You can replace them. They're not welded in there. You just can't replace them easily.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22616204 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:59:19 EDT Re: [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22615864
Most people will be looking at expensive replacements directly from and installed by Apple, or even better a brand new machine. More $$$ for Apple. I'm not really buying that the battery can be that much better if built in. What's the difference in volume, a layer of plastic and a connector?

To those who say it's time for a new laptop when the battery goes, hogwash. I bought one of the first dual-core PC laptops when they came out almost 3 years ago and despite my best efforts to maintain the battery the life is down to about 1/2 hour. Got a 9-cell on ebay for $65 that lasts almost 5 hours now, and the laptop still runs great! What do I need a faster dual-core for?

I've never bought an MP3 player, cell phone or computer with a non-swappable battery and don't ever plan on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Mossberg-New-Mac-Laptops-Use-Batteries-Sealed-for-Power-22615864 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:11:22 EDT