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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to laser93069
Re: [BC] Telus vs Shaw
Which is better has a lot to do with where you live. Telus is still twisted pair to the home which will NEVER be as good as Shaw Coax with Fibre nodes. In busy areas with too many people connected to a Shaw node it can get slow when busy until Shaw splits the node up.
If your more than a mile or two from a Telus Exchange your speeds can be pretty crappy and if your in an area with too few potential customers Telus doesn't like to spend much for upgrades to improve speed/service.
So to summarize, Telus is likely to be a bit better in dense areas not far from a Telus Exchange whereas a Shaw node could get slow at busy times. Shaw is likely to be better is less dense areas as hybrid Fibre/coax systems don't have issues with distance.
Of course there are all sorts of variables that can change that such as Telus having the ability to do Fibre to the Node for longer distances and Shaws ability to split their nodes for busy areas. | |
Glynn023
join:2009-03-01 | We've had FTTN for years... you're looking at a max of 5-600 meters to the node in most areas...
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river_ratbc
join:2007-09-21
| reply to phoneboy3
said by phoneboy3 :
If your more than a mile or two from a Telus Exchange your speeds can be pretty crappy and if your in an area with too few potential customers Telus doesn't like to spend much for upgrades to improve speed/service.
I have to disagree. Telus speeds are fine a mile or two from the Central Office. Neighbourhood ERA's are installed in most areas, where you start to get beyond 15, 000 feet, so the speeds there are fine. Telus is in the process of installing many RDACs, to allow for TTV and higher speeds, in area's that were previously limited to slower speeds.
My statements are general and of course there will be areas that are out of reach for optimum speeds. | |
phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| said by river_ratbc  :said by phoneboy3 :
If your more than a mile or two from a Telus Exchange your speeds can be pretty crappy and if your in an area with too few potential customers Telus doesn't like to spend much for upgrades to improve speed/service.
I have to disagree. Telus speeds are fine a mile or two from the Central Office. Neighbourhood ERA's are installed in most areas, where you start to get beyond 15, 000 feet, so the speeds there are fine. Telus is in the process of installing many RDACs, to allow for TTV and higher speeds, in area's that were previously limited to slower speeds. My statements are general and of course there will be areas that are out of reach for optimum speeds. That is certainly one end of the argument. Of course you can make the same sorts of arguments for Shaw. It's all about how much each is willing to spend in what areas. Telus still does not have DSL service in many less populated areas that Shaw has served for years. With unlimited budgets both could serve equally well everywhere but there is no such thing as unlimited budget so it's an unrealistic argument.
The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down. | |
laser93069
join:2009-06-24
Langley, BC
| @PhoneBoy & River_ratbc...
Thank you for your input, much appreciated.
Even though Shaw appears faster on downloads at my location, it is significantly slower on the uploads. As I use my computer with a VPN connection to the main office, both upload and download speeds are important however a balance is even more important. I run the Siemens SE567 as a WIFI 802.11b with two other routers as bridges in the house as WIFI 802.11g and WIFI 802.11n(draft) which keeps each WIFI frequency seperate without being dragged down.
I think I will stay with Telus for the following reasons:
A) Inertia - I've been a Telus subscriber for almost 10 years without any real complaints about service.
B) Speed Balance - having to wait 1-2 minutes (Telus) on a download instead of 30 - 45 seconds (Shaw) is not nearly as significant as if I have to wait 30 minutes (Shaw) versus 15 - 20 minutes (Telus) for an upload to complete. | |
river_ratbc
join:2007-09-21
1 edit | reply to phoneboy3
Re: [BC] Telus vs Shaw
said by phoneboy3 :
That is certainly one end of the argument. Of course you can make the same sorts of arguments for Shaw. It's all about how much each is willing to spend in what areas. Telus still does not have DSL service in many less populated areas that Shaw has served for years. With unlimited budgets both could serve equally well everywhere but there is no such thing as unlimited budget so it's an unrealistic argument.
The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down.
Well, again I'm not sure about that.
In the last few years a lot of the rural areas I've worked in haven't had Shaw High Speed, in fact they didn't have Shaw Cable, as it was deemed too expensive. These same areas did have Telus High Speed, simply because their telephone service originated from a local RSU (Remote Switching Unit). So it was just a matter of installing a Dslam, and they had ADSL. Some customers were just too far from the RSU, and have to resort to dial-up. I still see lots of dial-up in remote areas.
The areas I'm referring to are parts of Sumas Prairie, Matsqui Prairie, Hatzic Prairie, Errington, Whiskey Creek, and Port Alberni. All these areas have Telus ADSL, Telus phone, and dial-up internet. In parts of these area, they have no Shaw cable whatsoever.
Two years ago, Telus ran cable into Tunkwa Lake, to supply the year round residences with dial tone and high speed. They still have no Shaw Cable in the area at all.
Telus is currently spending a lot of money, on replacing the ERA's with RDACS, bringing higher speeds and TTV to neighbourhoods, that were limited because of their distance from the Central Office. I've seen line trucks pulling in fiber and cat 5 cable.
All I'm saying is, from my view point, Shaw does not necessarily win hands down when it comes to more rural areas. There are always going to be exceptions either way, and I am seeing first hand Telus spending money to upgrade their infrastructure.
Just my 2 cents. | |
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join:2008-11-25
Surrey, BC
| said by river_ratbc :Two years ago, Telus ran cable into Tunkwa Lake, to supply the year round residences with dial tone and high speed. They still have no Shaw Cable in the area at all. Me and another tech did the first dozen or so installs 3 years ago. They had been waiting a long time, so they were pretty happy when they finally got service. | |
phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to river_ratbc
said by river_ratbc :said by phoneboy3 :
That is certainly one end of the argument. Of course you can make the same sorts of arguments for Shaw. It's all about how much each is willing to spend in what areas. Telus still does not have DSL service in many less populated areas that Shaw has served for years. With unlimited budgets both could serve equally well everywhere but there is no such thing as unlimited budget so it's an unrealistic argument.
The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down.
Well, again I'm not sure about that. In the last few years a lot of the rural areas I've worked in haven't had Shaw High Speed, in fact they didn't have Shaw Cable, as it was deemed too expensive. These same areas did have Telus High Speed, simply because their telephone service originated from a local RSU (Remote Switching Unit). So it was just a matter of installing a Dslam, and they had ADSL. Some customers were just too far from the RSU, and have to resort to dial-up. I still see lots of dial-up in remote areas. The areas I'm referring to are parts of Sumas Prairie, Matsqui Prairie, Hatzic Prairie, Errington, Whiskey Creek, and Port Alberni. All these areas have Telus ADSL, Telus phone, and dial-up internet. In parts of these area, they have no Shaw cable whatsoever. Two years ago, Telus ran cable into Tunkwa Lake, to supply the year round residences with dial tone and high speed. They still have no Shaw Cable in the area at all. Telus is currently spending a lot of money, on replacing the ERA's with RDACS, bringing higher speeds and TTV to neighbourhoods, that were limited because of their distance from the Central Office. I've seen line trucks pulling in fiber and cat 5 cable. All I'm saying is, from my view point, Shaw does not necessarily win hands down when it comes to more rural areas. There are always going to be exceptions either way, and I am seeing first hand Telus spending money to upgrade their infrastructure. Just my 2 cents. Again, your just offering one side of it. I can find plenty of areas with Shaw high speed that do not have Telus DSL. I have even phoned Telus about a few of these areas and they said they had no plans to provide DSL to these areas. It's not out in the boonies either. Some of these communities have hundreds of households. | |
river_ratbc
join:2007-09-21
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Again, your just offering one side of it.
Ummm...the point I'm trying to make is not to say one is better than the other, but rather, there are always exceptions in either case. You stated,"The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down." I'm saying not in the rural areas, the I've worked in...actually that I still work in. Back in the day, BCTel/Telus, were mandated by the CRTC to supply phone service to every community. Costs were subsided by long distance revenues. If the communities wanted cablevision...they had to write a cheque to the cable company. No cheque, no cable. This is still the reason why you see so many satellite dishes in rural/remote communties...no cable. Try Port Hardy, Port McNeill, Alert Bay and Sointula. No Shaw there, you'll find a privately owned company called Keta Cable, supplies cable TV and high speed internet, to Port Hardy and will be adding high speed to the other 3 areas soon. BTW...Telus supplies cable and high speed there as well. Point is ....you can find exceptions, and so can I. To say that , "The proof is on the ground and in more rural areas Shaw wins hands down." It may be your opinion, but......it's not necessarily true...and that's Just my opinion!  | |
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