Topic 'Entry Level DSLR' in forum 'Digital Imaging Technology'

Topic 'Entry Level DSLR' in forum 'Digital Imaging Technology' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Entry-Level-DSLR-22614276 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:44:29 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:44:29 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22648352 said by pog:

said by Hayward:

Not that CCD is HORRID, but unarguably CMOS is better in many more extreme situation, glad Pentax finally went there with the 20D..

It's not "unarguable". What are the extreme situations you refer to?
Dynamic range of CMOS tends to be better, more resistant to streaking/blloming (klike shooting a sun still present sunset), and such distortions, also generally much less noise in low light/high ISO and time exposure situation.

Again the more extreme situations.

And also as I said before the 10D CCD is one of the best I have experienced, but I can see a decided difference, especially in the extreme situations with the 20D CMOS.beyond just res dif..

And I will admit to th Canon community even my 1st Gen Rebel and only 6mp but CMOS did do better than my P 10D sometimes, but couldn't (even the 10 hacked firmware) beging to come close to its feature set for not much more cost which more than made up....and what swung it even though a CCD (and for thier limitation a very good one) sensor.

But with the 20D no CMOS envy anymore.

Also glad had the 10D because at its introduction you could still find bargain used Pentax lenses then, but no more really, any still out there much nearer current equiv retail.. (and still do have 10D as second or backup body)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22648352 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:23 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22648289 said by Hayward:

Not that CCD is HORRID, but unarguably CMOS is better in many more extreme situation, glad Pentax finally went there with the 20D..
It's not "unarguable". What are the extreme situations you refer to?

What's mostly better with CMOS is price, overall camera complexity, and readout speed (without which we would not have video in dSLRs or high framerate @ 12+MP, I think).
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Ok. Think I may be pulling the trigger on that body this week. Any suggestions on lenses?
Just to throw one more wrench into the mix »lowest price yet for Pentax K20D.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22647589 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:59:19 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22642597
And by the way having had other CCD cameras before and the 10D, the damn finest performance CCD I ever experienced.

But IF one can manage the price difference between the 200D and the 20D (even putting off lenses purchase for a while) I would definately go for the 20D.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22642597 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:57:41 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22642569 said by Hayward:

said by nklb:

That does look like a really good deal!

The K2000 isn't quite as full-featured as the K10D, but it has just about the same sensor.

No it doesn't it is the olld CCD 10mp sensore from the 10D.... Only the 20D is CMOS. (And why Canon tribe has now lost their big arument/talking point) Definately an improvement from the 100D (6MP?) but still CCD.

Not that CCD is HORRID, but unarguably CMOS is better in many more extreme situation, glad Pentax finally went there with the 20D..
Huh? I never mentioned the K20D or CMOS. I was saying that the K2000 has pretty much the same sensor as the K10D.
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That does look like a really good deal!

The K2000 isn't quite as full-featured as the K10D, but it has just about the same sensor.
No it doesn't it is the olld CCD 10mp sensore from the 10D.... Only the 20D is CMOS. (And why Canon tribe has now lost their big arument/talking point) Definately an improvement from the 100D (6MP?) but still CCD.

Not that CCD is HORRID, but unarguably CMOS is better in many more extreme situation, glad Pentax finally went there with the 20D..
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22642527 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:40:51 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22639683 said by RickD43:

I got the cookie msg too after reading your post. I then closed the link & hit it again & it worked.
Oh, the cookie page has a link that says something about "Click here to continue", so I was able to reach the advertisement just fine. I just thought the typo in the title bar was amusing.
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The K2000 isn't quite as full-featured as the K10D, but it has just about the same sensor.

Amusing note: When I click on that costco link, I am taken to a page about enabling cookies. The title of the page has an amusing typo: "Costco Cookie Requirenents"
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The have a non II for 72 (also EX+)

For convenience
»www.keh.com/OnLineStore/ProductL···BC=&GCC=

KEH is listed in the FAQ as a reputable online source. My only experience with them was positive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22636753 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:16:38 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22636217 said by Mike D:

Ok. Think I may be pulling the trigger on that body this week. Any suggestions on lenses?
Amazon has the kit lens for $118.95 from Cameta.
»www.amazon.com/Pentax-18-55mm-3-···012QE4DK
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Thoughts??

Pentax K10D (Refurbished Body)
»www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp···89166763

Pentax 18-55mm lens with hood
»www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp···90915470

That would put me right in my price range.
I would say go for the K10D at that price, but as for the kit 18-55mm lens, $200 is a rip-off price.

If you really want that lens, you shouldn't pay more than $100 for it.

However, if you are willing to plunk down $200 for a lens, there are likely other better choices.
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Pentax K10D (Refurbished Body)
»www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp···89166763

Pentax 18-55mm lens with hood
»www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp···90915470

That would put me right in my price range.
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though Amazon doesn't really surprise me just being a straight forward discount retail outlet... they wouldn't put up with the BS either.

bUt for instance in NYC B&H is one of the few that won't pull that BS if you won't buy overpriced batts and accs as well. (Let alone likely gray market and one of those accs is actually a 3rd party questionable warranty.... bringing it up tgo US cost, with an actual US manufacture warranty.
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And By the way Kudos to Abes Of Maine.... when I ordered my 20D.... sure they tried to sell me stuff/everything, but when I said I have ALL that just replacing a 10D body.... need NOTHING.... they aquiesed.... and sold it... where as many other places it would have been suddenly unavailable.

And honestly I had missed Ed MCMahon had passed away and though I never watch it noticed TVG channel had a retrospective, but all 3 times I tried to record it it was another MIchael Jackson pice of BS :(
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I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named Flyingphotog.com. User known formerly as zakooldude.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22632273 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:17:38 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22631925 said by drew:

Pentax claims 1100 shots on LiIon -- I call BS on that.

said by drew:

Pentax claims 1100 shots on LiIon -- I call BS on that.

Possible but definately no internal flash and rest peiods in those shots.... not all 1100 back to back continual.

Then again even when sitting for a month very surprised how long the P K10D and 20D batt lasts.... and honestly actually 3 rd party/cheaper higher capacity lasts even bet that OEM battery.

Actually my primary, OEM is the backup. (about 300+ maH better), at less than half the cost.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22631925 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:36:24 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22631686 said by Mike D:

Howdy all,

I am looking for some advice on a DSLR camera. I'm about to be a father and want to bump up my camera and photography skills as I will soon be taking a ton of pictures. Well assuming you have no lens investment from film era you seem not to....
money but will NOT leave you wishing for more.
OK you can get base Nikon (semi cripled) D40 or Cannon Rebel..... maybe wishing for more jst a year down the road....

Or out of the gate go for a Pentax K10D if you can still find one, or a 20D.... maybe a bit more. Extermely capable cameras used by many pros, and at near entry of C&N level cost far more capable cameras.

You want the LABEL impression of I'm cool like everyone, or actual functionality? (And that might me defined by how much high end clothing you are wearing.... you really needed to pay $50 extra to have their trade mak on you doing advertising too???.... I will wear anyones T-Shirt I get for free.... but DAMN I will pay through the nose to do their advertising.

And why there are only 2 levels of DSLR's with Pentax.... Good and real good. C&N like 5 levels of nonsense, just so they can resell, after your realize you made a mistake but lens invested maybe. you after makiing a silly price decision for be in the cool circle, vs actual functionality.

And is the Pentax K20D the most perfect cam ever made.... NO, but very pro level vs the other 2 choice very $$$$ to go in the C&N world... and the 2 or 3 below you may have already been through one step at a time.
And again Petax only does two... very good not bottom line basic... and not ultimate either but VERY good, to the point many pros use the 20D level, and manybe even multiple bodies that on the C%N level would be very costly.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22631686 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:24:48 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22631011 said by DavisPhotog:

What? The D40 with a kit lens can be had for $375-400, depending on where you buy it.

You can get the D40 with 2 kit lenses for under $600.
sorry, but i've not kept up om prices
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You can get the D40 with 2 kit lenses for under $600.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22630988 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:05:07 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22630952 it'll practically have to be used.. no problem there and you may pick up a great deal.. i just upgraded to a pentax model thats been on the market for over a year and i'll be happy for the next 3 years
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Pentax claims 1100 shots on LiIon -- I call BS on that.
All the makers claims are higher than real life, but from what I've found, 600-800 shots on Eneloops is about average. That's not far off from what I get with my K10D's proprietary Li-Ion.

Which battery type is really a personal preference. Some like AA's better, some like proprietary better. My daughter has 2131 shots on her K100D, and as far as I can recall, has recharged the Eneloops maybe 4 or 5 times. I think they've only completely run out 2 times. The vast majority were taken witout flash, probably 2000 or so.

My personal preference is the proprietary, but the AA's seem to work well enough here. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22628953 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:49:01 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22627842 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22627842 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:29:55 EDT Re: Entry Level DSLR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Entry-Level-DSLR-22627837 said by drew:

Interesting. I've never seen a single AA camera last nearly as long as a proprietary battery pack camera.

You say "hundreds" but that's not very specific.
I just used my k100d yesterday and took 168 photos and the battery indicator is still at the halfway mark. And this is a 3 year old set of rechargeable batteries.

I haven't ever done a definitive benchmark to find out just how many I can get off of a charge.
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You say "hundreds" but that's not very specific.
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Brutal. I can't imagine how long the camera actually lasts. Is that one of those: You can run me on AAs if you need to, but we have a real battery pack you should be using 99% of the time.

I can go ~400 shots (maybe ~250 w/flash on most) on my Rebel XS. No way could I even come close to that on a pair of AAs methinks.
I have a K100D and I LOVE the fact that it takes AAs.

I get just about as many shots with it as on my K10Ds with their proprietary batteries, which is to say hundreds and not recharging the batteries for months.

Just get a good set of rechargeables and you will be fine. Again, I consider accepting AA's to be an advantage. In a pinch, you can use alkalines which are available almost anywhere.
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I always look for the win/win situations...

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I can go ~400 shots (maybe ~250 w/flash on most) on my Rebel XS. No way could I even come close to that on a pair of AAs methinks.
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From consumer reports on the Pentax K200D

The Pentax's camera body, although plastic, includes environmental seals, which means it will do a better job at keeping moisture and dust from entering the camera while the lens is attached. It's very easy to use with access to many functions through external buttons and controls. But it does not have liveview capabilities. With a buffer size that allows for only 4 JPEGs, smaller than what most other basic SLRs have, you will most likely see a slowing in frames per second when shooting in continuous shooting mode. It's one of the few SLRs that runs on AA batteries.

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For you, your budget doesn't allow for anything but a consumer body, maybe a older prosumer body if it's well used and getting decent glass at the same time.
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Before you even think about pulling the trigger on a DSLR, please go check out from the library (or purchase!) Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson. It's not about digital cameras or DSLRs, it's about the components of exposing a photograph, either digital or film.
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I currently have a Canon SD600. My skills are taking random pics at parties and messing with the slow synchro option lol. We're expecting our bundle of joy late Jan early Feb so there is plenty of time for me to start reading.

My budget is around 500 maybe 600. I was hoping to maybe get under 500 by going used if possible. Is there any place similar to Audiogon for photography equipment?

Edit: mispelled audiogon :)
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I say this because if you're used to using a Powershot, moving up to a Rebel is likely going to be a bit easier than a Nikon D40.

We're all biased here, but providing your current setup, your current skill level and more detailed information will help us recommend something more appropriate.
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Check out that thread though, it was a good one.
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For entry level, I'd go with (in no particular order, it would depend on what you're looking for):

Nikon D90
Canon digital Rebel (there are several models to choose from)
Pentax K20D

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I am looking for some advice on a DSLR camera. I'm about to be a father and want to bump up my camera and photography skills as I will soon be taking a ton of pictures. I did see this thread Help-A-good-entrylevel-SLR-camera but it's from 2007. I see the D40 stated as a great entry level camera and found this deal which seems very good for the price. But I wanted to get some opinions and updated advice on a good entry level DSLR. I have always been partial to canon for my PAS cameras.

Thanks in advance
~Mike D.
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