More Web injections by Rogers in Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22614987 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:42:05 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:42:05 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22640906 anon :
said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by Hello_123 :

All I'm trying to point out is that Canada is a big place.. population density per sq km is like 3... compared to US which is 31...and EU is like 100+... yet they have the same physical area to cover for infrastructure builds...
Yeah but that's just such a flawed argument. 80% of the population lives within a 100KM or so of the US Border. There's no excuse for not having the big cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, served with world class internet.
Saying...

Toronto & Montreal have the population of Sweden I believe and their speeds kick our asses. And this is directly due to government policy IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22640906 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:04:49 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633148 HiVolt :
said by Hello_123 :

All I'm trying to point out is that Canada is a big place.. population density per sq km is like 3... compared to US which is 31...and EU is like 100+... yet they have the same physical area to cover for infrastructure builds...
Yeah but that's just such a flawed argument. 80% of the population lives within a 100KM or so of the US Border. There's no excuse for not having the big cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, served with world class internet.
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633148 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:04:22 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630870 anon : Btw, I totally agree that they should lower their pricing...my view is that there is a lot of ineffenciencies in the company, a lot of room to improve OpEx, but it will take big change to make things happen.. They need a kick in the butt with new competition or some other "threat".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630870 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:34 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630817 anon :
said by Stewy See Profile :

said by Hello_123 :

Anyhow, not saying they shouldn't lower their pricing, but asking for something $40/month all you can eat buffet is not realistic.
All that we're asking is that Rogers internet price and speed be in the range of other OECD countries and not gouge use insanely just because they can.
And what price would that be?

All I'm trying to point out is that Canada is a big place.. population density per sq km is like 3... compared to US which is 31...and EU is like 100+... yet they have the same physical area to cover for infrastructure builds... it's hard to be competitive when you don't have the subscriber base to support the equipment. That's the way I see it.. we complain and try to make apples to oranges comparisons... Bell, Telus, VT, etc.. isn't much better...

Anyhow... just for fun, what "should" be the right price for their service? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630817 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:35:11 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627073 Stewy :
said by Hello_123 :

Anyhow, not saying they shouldn't lower their pricing, but asking for something $40/month all you can eat buffet is not realistic.
All that we're asking is that Rogers internet price and speed be in the range of other OECD countries and not gouge use insanely just because they can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627073 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:37:40 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624877 voyager6868 : "U.S. telco's are not any better"

Actually they are. I'm using Verizon FIOS here in Seattle after having dealt with both Rogers and Bell Sympatico in Ontario.

I get a 20/5 connection for $58/month. No throttling of bittorrent and no caps. They also just recently added a 25/15 plan for only $5 more/month.

Oh, plus I get all my local HDTV channels for $13/month over FIOS... and they are in clear QAM so I can record them on my computer instead of having to rent/buy a buggy set-top box.

In my experience, TV/Internet in the US is immensely better than in Canada.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624877 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:55:36 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624557 anon : Man, this is gonna suck... I'd call an complain if they start inserting ads on this crap.. I was cheesed already when they notified my of my bandwidth cap.. this is going over the line...

To the others complaining about $$$ cost of service... I challange anyone to do a cost analysis of deploying a high speed docsis network and do a capacity planning for 1.5 Million users hungry for bandwidth... I've seen the numbers and i'm still freaking how much Cisco/Juniper.etc.. is charging them just for equipment.

Anyhow, not saying they shouldn't lower their pricing, but asking for something $40/month all you can eat buffet is not realistic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624557 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:30:31 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624396 JAC70 :
said by Demonoid :

That's EXACLTY what I'm talking about, in the US they have it SOO much better; faster speeds, hundreds of GBs to unlimited bandwidth,unthrolled, and cheaper. I guess it has to do with the market ; 300million people > 30 million => more internet companies> more competition > happy consumer. :)
Plus the US doesn't have the CRTC and their stupid Canadian ownership rules. I would LOVE to see us invaded by US telcos and watch Bell and Rogers die slow, painful deaths.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624396 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:37:13 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624355 anon : That's EXACLTY what I'm talking about, in the US they have it SOO much better; faster speeds, hundreds of GBs to unlimited bandwidth,unthrolled, and cheaper. I guess it has to do with the market ; 300million people > 30 million => more internet companies> more competition > happy consumer. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624355 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:28:27 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22623645 Stewy :
said by sbrook See Profile :

Just go read the US forums and read about their abuses.
Right now Verizon is offering an uncapped unthrolled 15Mbps down and 5Mbps up for the same price that I pay now for 10Mbps for which I realistically only get about 7Mbps capped and throttled.

Just who is abusing who...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22623645 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:06:59 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620091 sbrook : Just go read the US forums and read about their abuses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620091 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:22:56 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619546 anon : "March right in and do what?"

I'll leave that to your imagination....

"Put up their own wires across Canada?"

No future in pulling wires, not the 21st century.....(However, it wasn't all that long ago when Rogers started out and that's exactly what they did, miles and miles and miles of cable....and remember, even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step...)

"lol"

Me too.....(it's good for one's soul)

"...and U.S. telco's are not any better."

That may be so, but I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to experience their abuse for a change, I'm sooooo sick of Rogers...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619546 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:39 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617387 anon :
said by THE Fatman :

Just wish Verizon or one of the big guns from south of the border, one with a reputation of dealing fairly with their customers (are there any?), would march right in and give the existing players a good kick in the nutz! They deserve it!!!!!
March right in and do what?

Put up their own wires across Canada?

lol

...and U.S. telco's are not any better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617387 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:16:40 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617332 anon : Is there any doubt Canada needs a new, major ISP who's not tied into, or reliant on, either Bell, Rogers or Shaw in any way?

Just wish Verizon or one of the big guns from south of the border, one with a reputation of dealing fairly with their customers (are there any?), would march right in and give the existing players a good kick in the nutz! They deserve it!!!!!

So much for wishful thinking.....back to the barbie and beer, it's Friday night already!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617332 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:47 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617154 Robrr : Thank God I am no longer a Rogers customer :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22617154 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:30:58 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615605 Stewy :
said by sbrook See Profile :

That's unfortunately the case ... but this is the same mechanism being used to deliver the bandwidth warnings.
ouch, if that's the case then that's a whole new can of worms.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615605 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:34:56 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615417 sbrook : That's unfortunately the case ... but this is the same mechanism being used to deliver the bandwidth warnings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615417 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:11:48 EDT Re: More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615344 pwn2009 : i like this line....delivery of content without permission of the end user...

have you ever read the EUA. it pretty much dictates they can do whatever they want...but don't have to use rogers services if you don't agree.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22615344 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:01:33 EDT More Web injections by Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22614987 anon : »www.p2pnet.net/story/23991
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»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4083/125/

P2Pnet:
Online advertising has become so pervasive that advertisers know the only way they’re going to get you to pay attention is to virtually hit you over the head with a sledgehammer — enter sledgehammer advertising, p2pnet said last year, going on.

Now, “Canadian Internet watchers may recall a controversy in late 2007 when Rogers began experimenting with adding its own content to webpages that its subscribers visit,” blogs Michael Geist, continuing »»»

Michael Geist:
Canadian Internet watchers may recall a controversy in late 2007 when Rogers began experimenting with adding its own content to webpages that its subscribers visit. The company used the technology to alert customers about their data usage. Google was one of the targets of the experiments and the company reacted angrily:

We are concerned about these reports. As a general principle, we believe that maintaining the Internet as a neutral platform means that carriers shouldn't be able to interfere with Web content without users' permission. We are in the process of contacting the relevant parties to bring this to a quick resolution.

According to one of my blog readers, the Rogers content substitution approach is back. The image below shows Rogers warning a customer about the expiry of some parental controls. The warning is included in a Flickr page. This approach again raises concerns about Rogers interfering with the delivery of content without permission of the end user. When combined with its ongoing policy of redirecting web pages that do not resolve to a company-sponsored paid search page, Rogers own content seems to show up unasked on a regular basis.
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My opinion, Rogers users should start some sort of online petition on this broad (or other website) or similar and submit it to the CRTC instead of just accepting it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22614987 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:13:03 EDT