Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | reply to Stewy
Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7?
No, Windows 7 won't take it any further by disabling your copy of Windows XP. It's all about downgrade rights. |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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said by Snickerdo  :Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade. You have to ask yourself if XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade (so far) why would they include XP on the W7 Upgrade disk ?
There's only one possible answer.
I understand that you do not enter your previous OS key as part of the upgrade process because W7 Upgrade requires a previous activated OS to be installed first making that step not required.
The Vista EULA is very clear.
13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.
Neowin goes even further »www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37676 and states that
"If you choose to purchase an upgrade version of Windows Vista to upgrade XP, you will no longer be able to use that version of XP. Either on another system, or as a dual-boot option. The key will be invalidated, preventing activation."
I believe that W7U will take it a step further. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | reply to Laidback
Service packs aren't upgrades. They're service packs.  |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
 ·PrimusDSL
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said by Snickerdo :said by Stewy :Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install. I know for a 100% fact that it does not happen with XP or Win2k. Since Vista's first upgrade will be Windows 7, we'll have to wait and see. Not counting that wonderful SP1 that was released? I would have to agree with you that W7 would be the first upgrade to vista. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
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said by Stewy :Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install. I know for a 100% fact that it does not happen with XP or Win2k. Since Vista's first upgrade will be Windows 7, we'll have to wait and see.
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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BTW The official W7 Eula went live but there's still no word on the "validation" part 
»www.microsoft.com/windows/window···ula.aspx
Stay tuned...... |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade. Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Stewy
Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade.
I doubt they'll be disabling Vista keys, either. The logistics of dealing with mistakes and the like just doesn't make financial sense.
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to pat_lc2000
said by pat_lc2000 :Why in gods name do you want to keep Win2k. There is no reason to keep it or even XP at this point. The explanation is that for me and others for example, I have two keys, I have a Win2K Pro Retail CD, and XP Pro Retail CD. According to the windows store the information was that you would be able to upgrade to W7 from Win2K.
What W7U would have then done is deactivate the Win2K key with the WGA Servers and would migrate the W7U key to a full retail key. By migrating the Win2K key and having it disabled, the actual media would then be useless and you would be able to dispose of it, if that was the case you would now then still have have a valid XP key and a valid W7 key.
I would rather keep XP and W7 than Win2K and W7. However from the "official upgrade chart" Win2K is not a valid upgrade path. So instead of getting rid of Win2K I have to get rid of my XP license.
So all this to say that if I want to have two systems, I have no other choice but to upgrade my XP and will now have to buy a Full Retail W7 License for my second system. |
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pat_lc2000
join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON | reply to gold1
It expires in June 10, but the computer will start shutting down every two hours in March.
Why in gods name do you want to keep Win2k. There is no reason to keep it or even XP at this point. |
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vue666
join:2007-12-07 | reply to Laidback
When does the license for the RC expire? |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON | reply to Stewy
I did a clean install on a 60 gig hard drive. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
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You don't need to format your hard drive to do an installation of Windows 7 on top of Windows XP or 2000. It'll just move the old Windows installation as well as Program Files and Documents and Settings into a folder called Windows.Old. It won't touch anything else. You can then move your files back to their equivalent locations in Windows 7, but you'll need to reinstall your applications and reconfigure the OS the way you want.
This is the method I recommend even when going from Windows Vista to Windows 7.
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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said by Laidback :Stewy, why not download the RC, install your 2000 on a spare drive and put windows 7 on it? It's still available on Microsoft's website until Aug 20, complete with key. The one thing I found is that with an existing operating system, the RC will not autoboot to do an upgrade. The prompts advise putting the disk in after your computer has booted up. can you put the RC on an empty drive ?
or do you have to have an OS installed ? |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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said by pat_lc2000 :any computer running Win2k is going to have a hard time running 7, despite that fact that some have. I'm getting a new bleeding edge i7 system and was just going to try to do a minimal W2K install on it so that I could upgrade to W7 and keep my XP license and have two systems going but seems that won't work now anyway.
I just have one XP license and would like to keep it, so I'll just end up upgrading this one and getting a full retail for the new build. I wonder if I could get an OEM W7 with my new build ? |
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pat_lc2000
join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON | reply to gold1
any computer running Win2k is going to have a hard time running 7, despite that fact that some have. |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
·PrimusDSL
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Stewy, why not download the RC, install your 2000 on a spare drive and put windows 7 on it? It's still available on Microsoft's website until Aug 20, complete with key.
The one thing I found is that with an existing operating system, the RC will not autoboot to do an upgrade. The prompts advise putting the disk in after your computer has booted up. |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to gold1
Now MS is all screwed up. I had plans to upgrade from my Win2K Pro Retail install but It doesn't seem likely anymore, I though it was too good to be true.
According to this site
»mossblog.allthingsd.com/20090804···al-chart
Walter Mossberg asked Microsoft for an official Windows 7 Upgrade chart which they provided.
»mossblog.allthingsd.com/files/20···hart.png
and if you scroll down it says;
"To upgrade an earlier operating system than Windows XP (eg Windows 95 or Windows 2000) you will need to purchase a full license of Windows 7 and perform a custom installation."
However, if you go to Microsoft's Store site here;
»store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Wi···gory/102
"Running earlier versions? If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications."
So most likely the chart is right and the store has it wrong. I'm uploading some caps in case the Store changes without notice. |
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pat_lc2000
join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON | reply to gold1
That just isn't enough ram. You need at least 96mb (yes, someone did get it to run on 96mb). My personal current favorite thing about 7 at the moment is WMP12. Which works well enough on my new dual core to replace MPC for me. |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
·PrimusDSL
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said by Wolfie00 :said by dennilfloss :... which replaced a Celeron 433 (my first CPU). My first system was a bit below that -- it was a 286 @ 8 Mhz with two 5 1/2" floppy drives running DOS and Windows 2.0. I don't remember how much memory it had but it was a computer from work and therefore very well equipped -- it even had the very expensive optional 10 Mb hard drive -- so it must have had the full complement of memory that Bill Gates said would be more than anyone would ever need, namely 640K ! If I hadn't thrown it out I could try running Windows 7 on it, but I suspect it might be slow!  Think of the fun you would have converting windows 7 to 5 1/4 floppies! |
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