Anyone else pre-order windows 7? in Canadian Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22616238 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:22:41 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:22:41 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22833841 Snickerdo : No, Windows 7 won't take it any further by disabling your copy of Windows XP. It's all about downgrade rights.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22833841 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:33:56 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22833433 Stewy :
said by Snickerdo See Profile :

Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade.
You have to ask yourself if XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade (so far) why would they include XP on the W7 Upgrade disk ?

There's only one possible answer.

I understand that you do not enter your previous OS key as part of the upgrade process because W7 Upgrade requires a previous activated OS to be installed first making that step not required.

The Vista EULA is very clear.

13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.

Neowin goes even further »www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37676 and states that
"If you choose to purchase an upgrade version of Windows Vista to upgrade XP, you will no longer be able to use that version of XP. Either on another system, or as a dual-boot option. The key will be invalidated, preventing activation."

I believe that W7U will take it a step further.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22833433 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:02:53 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22831018 Snickerdo : Service packs aren't upgrades. They're service packs. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22831018 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:50:23 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830971 Laidback :
said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by Stewy See Profile :

Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install.
I know for a 100% fact that it does not happen with XP or Win2k. Since Vista's first upgrade will be Windows 7, we'll have to wait and see.
Not counting that wonderful SP1 that was released? I would have to agree with you that W7 would be the first upgrade to vista.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830971 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:41:19 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830308 Snickerdo :
said by Stewy See Profile :

Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install.
I know for a 100% fact that it does not happen with XP or Win2k. Since Vista's first upgrade will be Windows 7, we'll have to wait and see.
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»www.microsoft.com/windows/window···ula.aspx

Stay tuned......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830200 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:10:47 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830139 Stewy :
said by Snickerdo See Profile :

Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade.
Time will tell but I think I'm right. We'll have to revisit this issue with a W7U RTM install.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830139 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:01:22 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830044 Snickerdo : Despite what Microsoft may say, Win2k and XP keys are never disabled by an upgrade. You don't even ever have to enter your previous OS' key as part of the upgrade.

I doubt they'll be disabling Vista keys, either. The logistics of dealing with mistakes and the like just doesn't make financial sense.
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said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

Why in gods name do you want to keep Win2k. There is no reason to keep it or even XP at this point.
The explanation is that for me and others for example, I have two keys, I have a Win2K Pro Retail CD, and XP Pro Retail CD. According to the windows store the information was that you would be able to upgrade to W7 from Win2K.

What W7U would have then done is deactivate the Win2K key with the WGA Servers and would migrate the W7U key to a full retail key. By migrating the Win2K key and having it disabled, the actual media would then be useless and you would be able to dispose of it, if that was the case you would now then still have have a valid XP key and a valid W7 key.

I would rather keep XP and W7 than Win2K and W7. However from the "official upgrade chart" Win2K is not a valid upgrade path. So instead of getting rid of Win2K I have to get rid of my XP license.

So all this to say that if I want to have two systems, I have no other choice but to upgrade my XP and will now have to buy a Full Retail W7 License for my second system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22830020 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:35:39 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829911 pat_lc2000 : It expires in June 10, but the computer will start shutting down every two hours in March.

Why in gods name do you want to keep Win2k. There is no reason to keep it or even XP at this point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829911 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:10:31 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829707 vue666 : When does the license for the RC expire?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829707 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:09:45 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826914 Laidback : I did a clean install on a 60 gig hard drive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826914 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:26:23 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826804 Snickerdo : You don't need to format your hard drive to do an installation of Windows 7 on top of Windows XP or 2000. It'll just move the old Windows installation as well as Program Files and Documents and Settings into a folder called Windows.Old. It won't touch anything else. You can then move your files back to their equivalent locations in Windows 7, but you'll need to reinstall your applications and reconfigure the OS the way you want.

This is the method I recommend even when going from Windows Vista to Windows 7.
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said by Laidback See Profile :

Stewy, why not download the RC, install your 2000 on a spare drive and put windows 7 on it? It's still available on Microsoft's website until Aug 20, complete with key. The one thing I found is that with an existing operating system, the RC will not autoboot to do an upgrade. The prompts advise putting the disk in after your computer has booted up.
can you put the RC on an empty drive ?
or do you have to have an OS installed ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826796 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:06:15 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826780 Stewy :
said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

any computer running Win2k is going to have a hard time running 7, despite that fact that some have.
I'm getting a new bleeding edge i7 system and was just going to try to do a minimal W2K install on it so that I could upgrade to W7 and keep my XP license and have two systems going but seems that won't work now anyway.

I just have one XP license and would like to keep it, so I'll just end up upgrading this one and getting a full retail for the new build. I wonder if I could get an OEM W7 with my new build ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22826780 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:03:42 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825799 pat_lc2000 : any computer running Win2k is going to have a hard time running 7, despite that fact that some have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825799 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:24:31 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825795 Laidback : Stewy, why not download the RC, install your 2000 on a spare drive and put windows 7 on it? It's still available on Microsoft's website until Aug 20, complete with key.
The one thing I found is that with an existing operating system, the RC will not autoboot to do an upgrade. The prompts advise putting the disk in after your computer has booted up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825795 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:24:04 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825504 Stewy : Now MS is all screwed up. I had plans to upgrade from my Win2K Pro Retail install but It doesn't seem likely anymore, I though it was too good to be true.

According to this site
»mossblog.allthingsd.com/20090804···al-chart

Walter Mossberg asked Microsoft for an official Windows 7 Upgrade chart which they provided.
»mossblog.allthingsd.com/files/20···hart.png

and if you scroll down it says;
"To upgrade an earlier operating system than Windows XP (eg Windows 95 or Windows 2000) you will need to purchase a full license of Windows 7 and perform a custom installation."

However, if you go to Microsoft's Store site here;
»store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Wi···gory/102

"Running earlier versions? If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications."

So most likely the chart is right and the store has it wrong. I'm uploading some caps in case the Store changes without notice.
Click for full size
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22825504 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:39:57 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22823891 pat_lc2000 : That just isn't enough ram. You need at least 96mb (yes, someone did get it to run on 96mb). My personal current favorite thing about 7 at the moment is WMP12. Which works well enough on my new dual core to replace MPC for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22823891 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:26:42 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22823431 Laidback :
said by Wolfie00 See Profile :

said by dennilfloss See Profile :

... which replaced a Celeron 433 (my first CPU).
My first system was a bit below that -- it was a 286 @ 8 Mhz with two 5 1/2" floppy drives running DOS and Windows 2.0. I don't remember how much memory it had but it was a computer from work and therefore very well equipped -- it even had the very expensive optional 10 Mb hard drive -- so it must have had the full complement of memory that Bill Gates said would be more than anyone would ever need, namely 640K !

If I hadn't thrown it out I could try running Windows 7 on it, but I suspect it might be slow! :D
Think of the fun you would have converting windows 7 to 5 1/4 floppies! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22823431 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:13:56 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22821705 Wolfie00 :
said by dennilfloss See Profile :

... which replaced a Celeron 433 (my first CPU).
My first system was a bit below that -- it was a 286 @ 8 Mhz with two 5 1/2" floppy drives running DOS and Windows 2.0. I don't remember how much memory it had but it was a computer from work and therefore very well equipped -- it even had the very expensive optional 10 Mb hard drive -- so it must have had the full complement of memory that Bill Gates said would be more than anyone would ever need, namely 640K !

If I hadn't thrown it out I could try running Windows 7 on it, but I suspect it might be slow! :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22821705 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:26:28 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22821577 dennilfloss : Got my X2 4200+ when they came out. It replaced a Barton 2500+@3200+ which replaced a 2400+ which replaced a Tbird 1GHz which replaced a Celeron 500 which replaced a Celeron 433 (my first CPU). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22821577 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:59:08 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820784 Last Parade :
said by digitalfutur See Profile :

Family Pack confirmed at USD 149, likely CAD 179.

»news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10300···tories.0

Anyone who pre-ordered 3 copies of Win7 would have saved about CAD 60 by waiting until 10/22 for the Family Pack.
You can still cancel your Amazon.ca orders without penalty. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820784 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:31:06 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820694 Snickerdo :
said by dennilfloss See Profile :

I just upgraded from an X2 4200+ and 3GB RAM. Takes me ~3 years to save the money between upgrades so this 955BE will have to do until 2012 or so.
I upgraded from an Opteron 165 (which is the same as an X2 4000+) which was overclocked to 2.6GHz with 2GB of RAM. Four cores and 8GB of RAM makes a huge difference in overall system responsiveness and performance. I can't stress that enough. 64-bit Windows is also nice for so many different reasons, too.

I had had that system since at least 2005 or so. I was one of the first people to buy a dual core AMD system, and the CPU alone was on sale for $450 which was an amazing deal for a dual core CPU in 2005. AMD's dual core stuff was far far better than Intel at the time.
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I also preordered it, but if staples offers up the 3 user license, I will change my order to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820555 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:52:14 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820525 dennilfloss : I just upgraded from an X2 4200+ and 3GB RAM. Takes me ~3 years to save the money between upgrades so this 955BE will have to do until 2012 or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820525 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:48:00 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22820404 Snickerdo :
said by dennilfloss See Profile :

I'm using the RC nowadays. Very speedy on my Phenom II X4 955BE and 8GB of RAM. Will buy the retail Pro version in October.
I also find the RC very fast on my system which, oddly enough, has almost identical specs to yours.

I also find it extremely fast on my new laptop with 4GB of RAM and a Core 2 Duo P8400.
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And we are functionning on the rc version.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22819880 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:00:15 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22797542 Devanchya : Wish they had a family pack for the pro.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22797542 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:29:17 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22797406 digitalfutur : Family Pack confirmed at USD 149, likely CAD 179.

»news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10300···tories.0

Anyone who pre-ordered 3 copies of Win7 would have saved about CAD 60 by waiting until 10/22 for the Family Pack.
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If "migrating" your Vista, XP, W2K keys into a full W7 is indeed the case then I fully support it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754340 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:36:48 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754288 Thane_Bitter : Might work - seems convoluted though, unless win2k has SP4 installed, you can't do much with it. Still the service packs are freely accessible without WGA or other access controlling means, the releases past SP4 are mostly security repairs and fixes which MS provides freely even to fake OSs. Win2k is almost retired officially “All Windows 2000 support including new security updates and security-related hotfixes will be terminated on July 13, 2010” »technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/wind···ult.aspx

rant - Too bad, I liked win2k; it’s not as fat as XP (but not as pretty) nearly as functional and very stable (usless for games however). In some ways Win7 is to help users get off XP that didn't like Vista. XP has 5 more years of life in it. -rant off
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said by Thane_Bitter See Profile :

Windows 2k doesn't call home for activation, I am certain it is only a key based system so I am not sure if they could do it. But on the other hand XP uses WGA (Widows Going to Authenticate at boot) which could be nuked by MS.

If you must install XP or 2k first to install (rather then using the disk for validation) I am not entirely pleased one has to install an OS twice ("you have installed xp - you must restart to install Windows 7" - somethings never change. ;) )
I've been thinking about this, I think how it works is that XP get's WGA at boot while with W2K the WGA would be with IE getting updates.

It doesn't really matter because, if I have installed W2K and never did any updates and then Upgraded to W7. The way I understand it would be that W7 would then migrate my W2K Key into a valid W7 Key. I would then be able to reinstall W2K on another computer but wouldn't be able to apply updates on that computer. As for XP I would be able to install it but not activate it.

But with my situation, I would like to keep my XP running on my secondary computer but get rid of my W2K. So I'd have to wipe my XP install, install W2K and do an W7 Upgrade.

So if I do this, and then want to reinstall W7 on a brand new HD I would simply do a "custom" install and use my old W2K key code that has been validated on Microsoft's servers as a valid W7 key, do a W7 WGA activation and everything would work. I would never need the actual W2K media again but would need the key code.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754162 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:05:08 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754125 vue666 : WOW...that's a good price... Kind of like the corporate edition for families... I have four computers in my home.... 1 is linux though....

Thanks kindly for the heads up...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754125 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:59:15 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22754036 digitalfutur : Anyone who is planning to get Win7 but didn't pre-order should wait until the "Family Pack" is clarified if they plan to install Win7 on more than one computer.

»news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10292332-56.html

Price is rumoured to be USD 150 for installation on up to 3 PCs with the same license key.
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»hothardware.com/News/Rules-for-W···erified/
"Jul 13, 2009

It looks like you are misinformed about the changes to the upgrade install process.

If you want to reinstall at a later date, you won't need your old license key or the old copy of Vista installed.

Why is this different now? Because now when you install an upgrade version, it requires the old OS's license key which will then be tied to your new Windows 7 key on Microsoft's servers. The benefit to you is that you can toss those old Vista media and license keys, since they will be invalidated on Microsoft's servers. However, that also means you can't then use that copy of Vista on another new machine.

Also, when you install you will always be given an option to "Clean Install" which will put any old OS's in Windows.Old. That old directory is more of a way to make things easier for you, Microsoft could have just deleted it. This "Clean Install" option is available even without the RC installed. And for those of us going from a 32-bit OS to a 64-bit OS, it's actually the only option allowed.

The upgrade version just wants your old license key just once, so it can be tied to it forever on Microsoft's servers. So the only
fundamental difference to the "full" and "upgrade" version is how the license keys are validated on the first try. After that, they are the same. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the media is EXACTLY the same when you get it from Microsoft, just that the license keys are different so they can be handled differently on Microsoft's side"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753781 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:58:13 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753760 Stewy : "From then on it's MS that remembers the upgrade vs. the user having to prove it each time they re-install. (in other words the W7 upgrade SKU morphs into the full version the first time it's activated with a previous key and the servers remember everything from then on"

So doing a W7 upgrade over your old license will morph your W7 upgrade into the full version. Interesting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753760 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:53:25 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753728 Thane_Bitter : Good advice, few people make backups anyways, this workaround might encourage people to plan for the worst.
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»www.maximumpc.com/article/news/w···nstalled]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753714 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:46:09 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753618 Thane_Bitter : Windows 2k doesn't call home for activation, I am certain it is only a key based system so I am not sure if they could do it. But on the other hand XP uses WGA (Widows Going to Authenticate at boot) which could be nuked by MS.

If you must install XP or 2k first to install (rather then using the disk for validation) I am not entirely pleased one has to install an OS twice ("you have installed xp - you must restart to install Windows 7" - somethings never change. ;) )
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»www.tomshardware.com/news/window···320.html

I just wanted to clear up once and for all the upgrade path to Windows 7. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I just read about 20 articles where it seems that Windows 7 UPGRADE will required an installed version of Vista, XP or Windows 2000 (yes windows 2000). You will NOT be able to simply insert your Vista, XP or 2000 CD to validate your Windows 7 upgrade.

»store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Wi···B0F9E641

But here's the catch with XP and 2000. Either of those MUST be installed first and you must to a "clean" install with Windows 7. You will not have a direct upgrade path.

Here's catch number 2 which is very important but very little information has been offered on the subject. Once you do an upgrade from XP or 2000 with Windows 7, the activation will void those XP or 2000 registration keys, once that is done you will then be able to reinstall your Windows 7 Upgrade without having your old XP or 2000 pre installed.

Once you activate Windows 7 over XP or 2000, you will no longer be able to reactivate that XP or 2000 license in the future or on another computer.

Here's my situation, I have a Windows 2000 Professional full version, and a XP Pro full version. In order for me to keep my XP Pro license I will have to format my system and install Windows 2000 first then install Windows 7 upgrade. Which will then deactivate the windows 2000 license and I will then be able to "technically" discard that version and keep my XP still on my secondary computer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22753406 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:51:57 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657719 digitalfutur : Just bought an HP Slimline PC and ordered the free upgrade to Win 7. $12.95 for shipping the CD 10/22.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657719 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:41:36 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657597 siljaline : Not me, when Win 7 ships Dell OEM, I'll look at it then.
Perfectly happy with XP Pro SP3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657597 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:14:03 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656294 anon :
said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

said by tor :

Stop going to the porn sites :P
Make me. ;) I can surf porn without fear of malware running Linux. ;)
You can also do that with windows with a program called sandboxie. It a great program when surfing in windows.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656294 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:10:34 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655966 Snickerdo :
said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

Colecovision rocked btw.. First great Donkey Kong home game.
Exactly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655966 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:38:06 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655942 MikeA1972 :
said by tor :

Stop going to the porn sites :P
Make me. ;) I can surf porn without fear of malware running Linux. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655942 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:19:57 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655940 MikeA1972 :
said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

You have made it so simple! Can't believe the fool I was! (Note to self, stop clicking banner ads). I am going to wipe Linux and install Vista.. brb. :(
Do yourself a favour and stick to Colecovision.
What in the world does that even mean? Colecovision rocked btw.. First great Donkey Kong home game. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655940 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:19:11 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653686 anon : Stop going to the porn sites :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653686 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:49:58 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653553 Snickerdo :
said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

You have made it so simple! Can't believe the fool I was! (Note to self, stop clicking banner ads). I am going to wipe Linux and install Vista.. brb. :(
Do yourself a favour and stick to Colecovision.
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said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

Had Windows 7RC on my old Dell box to test for a week.. slowed down daily..hated it. Put Dreamlinux 3.5 on it, and have been up stable without slowdown, without needing to run a defrag or malware scan for 34 days +.. no reboot required. I don't game on a computer anymore, so Windoh's! is a dead format for me. Linux FTW.
If you're constantly needing to clean malware from your computer, it means that you're no better than a novice user. Don't be an idiot and stop clicking on every banner ad you see.
You have made it so simple! Can't believe the fool I was! (Note to self, stop clicking banner ads). I am going to wipe Linux and install Vista.. brb. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653509 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:40:47 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653458 Snickerdo :
said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

Had Windows 7RC on my old Dell box to test for a week.. slowed down daily..hated it. Put Dreamlinux 3.5 on it, and have been up stable without slowdown, without needing to run a defrag or malware scan for 34 days +.. no reboot required. I don't game on a computer anymore, so Windoh's! is a dead format for me. Linux FTW.
If you're constantly needing to clean malware from your computer, it means that you're no better than a novice user. Don't be an idiot and stop clicking on every banner ad you see.
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Unsure about the modem thing, I haven't used a modem in eons.
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Bought one before FS ran out of stock. Don't know why but got one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651124 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:25:00 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651066 urbanriot : Considering they're in the _RESTORE folder, I'd imagined that they were created by System Restore. But I'd like to know if you're right, going to check it out next XP system I hit up... fresh install on this system, no vmware yet :/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651066 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:08:49 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650909 Snickerdo :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

Usually those backups are years old and useless in most situations to bring a system back up to a perfectly running state as it was 'yesterday.' System restore creates snapshots every time it makes a restore point, so usually you have a healthy registry hive from the previous day, or recent enough that it's probably the same file. While you're probably encountering XP less and less, that pro tip might come in handy one day. ;)
You're thinking of the original factory hives that get backed up inside \Windows\System32\Recovery folder or something like that. My understanding is that besides that, another backup copy of the registry inside the System Volume Information folder is created after each successful boot, regardless of whether System Restore is enabled or not. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it saved my skin before *shrug*
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said by Snickerdo See Profile :

It's my understanding that Windows XP and newer automatically make a backup copy of the registry regardless of whether System Restore is enabled or not, and that you can use that to restore.
Usually those backups are years old and useless in most situations to bring a system back up to a perfectly running state as it was 'yesterday.' System restore creates snapshots every time it makes a restore point, so usually you have a healthy registry hive from the previous day, or recent enough that it's probably the same file. While you're probably encountering XP less and less, that pro tip might come in handy one day. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650859 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:30:50 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650817 Snickerdo :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

I meant literally a corrupted registry. You know, computer power went out, registry was in memory and corrupted... system now blue screens, most computer people format when they could have simply copied back yesterday's SYSTEM which is exactly the same for ages. Each time a snapshot is made, it also snaps all the registry hives. I might have confused the point with an unrelated use I found for it.
It's my understanding that Windows XP and newer automatically make a backup copy of the registry regardless of whether System Restore is enabled or not, and that you can use that to restore.

That in itself is a good idea. The caching of system files and all sorts of crap just to "roll back" is not. Causes more problems than its worth.
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I can't even count how many times I've had friends call me for help, and rather than trying to trace some obscure problem that had just cropped up, it's usually easier to walk them through a System Restore. It's worked every time.

It's true that it's not a catch-all for recovering from viruses because they can often infect restore points too -- though certainly not always -- but that's about the only exception to how universally useful System Restore is. Even if you prefer not to use it, I think it's really unwise to turn it off.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650780 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:14:25 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650741 urbanriot : I meant literally a corrupted registry. You know, computer power went out, registry was in memory and corrupted... system now blue screens, most computer people format when they could have simply copied back yesterday's SYSTEM which is exactly the same for ages. Each time a snapshot is made, it also snaps all the registry hives. I might have confused the point with an unrelated use I found for it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650741 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:06:02 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650686 Snickerdo :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

You should leave it on for most users though, as you can recover multiple snapshots of their registry, in the event of registry corruption. I've used it many, many times. I once creatively used a snapshot to diff out the various entries of a really nasty virus. Like you though, I do disable it for myself, personally, since all my drives are SSD's.
The problem with trying to use System Restore to recover from a virus is that the files stores in System Volume Information are often the first ones to get infected, and even though you may be recovering a corrupted registry with a working copy, you're still bringing infected files along with it. I don't disable it for other people, but I'm not quick to use it, either.
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said by Wolfie00 See Profile :

Shows you how little you know about Windows. Windows also has a "live CD" implementation based on XP, but unlike Ubuntu, it is fully customizable by the user. I have a highly customized version loaded with applications that I've used for all kinds of specialized purposes. More importantly, Windows has a very robust "System Restore" feature that would usually be the first step if "something has corrupted your network driver or whatever"!
There are also Vista-based PE implementations which, oddly enough, work remarkably well. The Windows 6 kernel is a lot better than the Windows 5.1/5.2 kernel when optimized properly.

One thing I have to vehemently disagree with you on though is System Restore. What an utterly useless feature. 9 times out of 10 whatever corruption has caused something to stop working has also propagated through the System Volume Information folder, making restore points useless. I always turn it off, and have never regretted not having it on.
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I swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650605 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:34:54 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650260 anon : Personally I am not a Ubuntu fan. I find Fedora more stable, but it's more of a bleeding edge distro. I am using fedora 10 with almost no problems and runs faster than xp. Fedora 11 is even faster but I'll wait til it gets more mature.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650260 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:25:24 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650225 Wolfie00 :
said by dragonfist :

Shows you how little you know about linux.
Shows you how little you know about Windows. Windows also has a "live CD" implementation based on XP, but unlike Ubuntu, it is fully customizable by the user. I have a highly customized version loaded with applications that I've used for all kinds of specialized purposes. More importantly, Windows has a very robust "System Restore" feature that would usually be the first step if "something has corrupted your network driver or whatever"!

Anyway, I've mentioned in other discussions all the problems I've had with different versions of Linux, including having to spend days of frustration trying to get a wireless network adapter to work with SuSe Linux 10.3 and all the other issues I've had with it. And then when I upgraded to 11.1, it stopped working again.

That was the last straw. I deleted the Linux partitions (using my Windows live CD ...lol...) and restored my dual-boot system to Windows only (using tools on my live CD to dynamically repartition).

Oh, one more thing. An initial scan of the disk before repartitioning revealed inconsistent partition data that had to be repaired. Guess where it was located? Yep, up in the Linux partitions. Sort of the final insult before I completely and finally removed it. What an utter piece of garbage!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650225 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:03:20 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650135 Tyreman : I have been thru it to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650135 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:45:57 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650081 vue666 : There is a new magazine devoted to Ubuntu named Ubuntu User. It's one of those UK over sized magazines....It hit the newsstands in Halifax last week... It is published quarterly....and sells for about $18.00 and includes a double sided dvd...

»www.ubuntu-user.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650081 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:32:24 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632479 Last Parade :
said by dragonfist :

Shows you how little you know about linux. Ubuntu is a live cd or dvd. In most cases you can just boot off the disc to get onto the internet. Ubuntu does have excellent support you can call but you have to pay for that.

I know xp sp3 killed many computers, they had to revert to sp2 or do a fresh install. Windows isn't trouble free as you claim, even the experts had problems.

With windows if some corrupt your network driver and something screws up your host file or whatever. You have no way getting on the internet at all. With many linux you can get a live cd to at least get on the internet to do some basic things
This is 2009, I don't think anyone's interested in how quickly their 386DX can get on Google.

Also live CDs suck, Ubuntu is no exception. The grinding of the laser transport when I load, say, Firefox is infuriating. :)

My first forays into Linux and FreeBSD were in 2001 or so and I feel the former hasn't even matured since then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632479 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:22:42 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631698 pat_lc2000 : I"m on an Ubuntu distro right now. Even XP which is an 8 year old OS is so far ahead of it isn't not even funny.

I've really come to believe in just the day or so I've serious played with it is that the people that have programed it still think it's 1995. When if you use Windows or OSX have you had to use command prompt to really do anything. Unless you go out of your way, you haven't! While both Windows and OSX have worked on making themselves more user friendly (or as user friendly as a computer gets) Linux doesn't seem to care.

Netbooks where linux's great chance to go mainstream. Instead of sitting down and creating something easier for someone that has used Windows or OSX to move too, they made whatever they made.

That last bit is because I still can't get my wireless to connect, I don't even know if it sees the modem. I was going to make Linux my July project, but if I can't get that to work I won't. Unemployment is boring.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631698 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:30:04 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631407 anon : Shows you how little you know about linux. Ubuntu is a live cd or dvd. In most cases you can just boot off the disc to get onto the internet. Ubuntu does have excellent support you can call but you have to pay for that.

I know xp sp3 killed many computers, they had to revert to sp2 or do a fresh install. Windows isn't trouble free as you claim, even the experts had problems.

With windows if some corrupt your network driver and something screws up your host file or whatever. You have no way getting on the internet at all. With many linux you can get a live cd to at least get on the internet to do some basic things]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631407 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:24:43 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630535 urbanriot : Yea, it's definitely not ready yet, at least not with our current window managers and desktops. I tried to deploy a few workstations at a business and we hit so many unexpected roadblocks it wasn't even funny. Users would try to create launchers to executables and end up copying files, or they'd create softlinks to folders and then delete the entire contents of those folders, and freak out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630535 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:41:34 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22630496 Snickerdo :
said by putz :

The average user can find the start button or whatever. Do you realize the majority of ubuntu users are novice users? If 20 million plus users can use ubuntu I am sure plenty of more people can it just takes time and patience.
You're so full of shit it isn't even funny.

It's not that users can't find the Start Menu, it's that their way of using a computer is so ingrained in them from years of being forced to use one that any chance - especially something as drastic as Linux and all the douchbaggary that goes with it - will bring them to their knees. Someone can switch to a Mac from Windows fairly easily because there's no bullshit and excellent tech support, but what are you going to tell my Grandfather when his Ethernet card stops working? "Check the Internet Forums" ?

Yeah, whatever. Linux as a mainstream desktop OS is a pie-in-the-sky fantasy that is never going to happen.
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said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

The average computer user can't find the start button in windows or the file button in OSX (if you have worked tech support you know that's true). How are they going to follow that page?
The average user can find the start button or whatever. Do you realize the majority of ubuntu users are novice users? If 20 million plus users can use ubuntu I am sure plenty of more people can it just takes time and patience.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22629710 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:00:53 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627914 pat_lc2000 : The average computer user can't find the start button in windows or the file button in OSX (if you have worked tech support you know that's true). How are they going to follow that page?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627914 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:41:04 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22626314 blueeyesm :
said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

As a random kick to the Linux loves.

This is the page to get media files to work in Ubuntu. »ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
Be honest, can the average computer user do that?
I would counter with »www.ubuntuguide.org.

It's a nicely set up guide for doing most things in ubuntu with step by step instructions. Yes, an average computer user can do this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22626314 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:52:43 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622416 Last Parade :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

... I already went through hours of work getting my Linux environment to load fast, don't I get a break? :(
LOL at least you make no bones about it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622416 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:29:26 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622214 gold1 : No, thats for sure not me! No keygens or crack nonsense. I tried installing a couple of legit games that used starforce, and DEP wouldn't let me. I googled how to turn it off but it didn't matter.

I know that starforce isn't the best thing for a computer, or have at least read about it.

Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622214 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:24:03 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622053 HoboJ :
said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

As a random kick to the Linux loves.

This is the page to get media files to work in Ubuntu. »ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
Be honest, can the average computer user do that?
In reality if I can't play a media file I get a fancy popup that says "Download this to be able to play this file" I click ok, enter my password and kabam everything is done automatically. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622053 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:34:11 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622052 nitzguy : I work in a strictly Windows XP shop :) Windows 7 is a far ways off for us :). We JUST upgraded to Office 2003 last month! :) Well, not everyone, as there are a couple of addins that we need that only work in O2K.

From a personal standpoint, I have Vista x64 on my laptop and it works good...I've downloaded the Windows 7 Beta onto a couple of PCs at work and it works pretty decently, looks like Vista just polished off. Like Vista should have been out of the box :).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622052 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:34:05 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622024 pat_lc2000 : As a random kick to the Linux loves.

This is the page to get media files to work in Ubuntu. »ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
Be honest, can the average computer user do that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622024 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:27:05 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621089 Snickerdo :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

The only people I've ever had complain to me about DEP are people that are continually filling their PC's with hidden malware from loaded keygens and cracks from torrent sites. I have *never* had to add an application to DEP and I run everything under the sun.
I used to disable it in 32-bit Windows because DEP required PAE to be enabled, and PAE causes a performance hit. It's no longer an issue with 64-bit Windows.
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You can also add specific applications, if you have some for some bizarre reason that are incompatible, to the DEP exclusion list... but if you're getting a lot of DEP popups, you might have another problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621084 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:36:16 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621078 Snickerdo :
said by gold1 See Profile :

the only thing I hate with vista is the DEP, thats a real pain in the ass...
bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621078 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:34:06 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621028 anon : You can always install Ubuntu with Wubi the windows install for ubuntu. It is like adding an application to windows. If you decide it's not for you can simply remove it with the add/remove option in windows.

I am by far a linux expert. Millions of users that use Ubuntu are newbies.

»www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloa···ors#wubi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621028 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:16:08 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620922 urbanriot : If you take a Ubuntu disc it'll probably work fine on hardware that isn't bleeding edge, and you might not have any serious issues until you mess something up or accidentally delete an icon and have no idea how to put it back. Personally I think Compiz Fusion looks sweet and blows Aero out of the water, but there can be a pile of problems getting it to work for the average user.

My advice to anyone who's savvy enough to successfully install their own Windows is to burn the latest Ubuntu (because it's the easiest for novices to use) and give it a shot for themselves, to see what all the fuss is about. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620922 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:29:47 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620833 gold1 : So many people sing the praises of linux, i wished i was good enough with computers to use it. But it sounds complicated as hell.

I like aero and glass of vista alot, the only thing I hate with vista is the DEP, thats a real pain in the ass...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620833 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:58:46 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620744 urbanriot :
said by Last Parade See Profile :

said by urbanriot See Profile :

said by Dragonfist :

Use linux, I recommend Ubuntu. It is a waste of money. Save your money for hardware.
Yea, with all the new changes to 2.6.30, a heavily tweaked Linux kernel can load the OS almost as quick as a Vista x64 system on current hardware. ;)
then what
... I already went through hours of work getting my Linux environment to load fast, don't I get a break? :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620744 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:24:16 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620619 Last Parade :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

said by Dragonfist :

Use linux, I recommend Ubuntu. It is a waste of money. Save your money for hardware.
Yea, with all the new changes to 2.6.30, a heavily tweaked Linux kernel can load the OS almost as quick as a Vista x64 system on current hardware. ;)
then what]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620619 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:47:15 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620515 Mike2009 : I'll stick with Vista which has been problem free for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620515 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:22:03 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620501 Stojko : I pre-ordered... I'll probably want to upgrade when it's released anyway so might as well take the opportunity to save $65.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620501 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:18:23 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620347 Snickerdo :
said by urbanriot See Profile :

I have no doubt some people will have an illegitimate copy of the RTM before you get your legitimate copy from Technet :P
(I don't mean me, we have msdn, technet and action pack as well. I was being facetious.)
If I wanted an illegitimate copy, I could have one. I'm just too tired of breaking WGA or whatever they're calling it now. Easier to wait a few extra weeks.
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said by Snickerdo See Profile :

I'll have a legitimate copy of the RTM from Technet before any of you guys get your pre-ordered copies in the mail.
I have no doubt some people will have an illegitimate copy of the RTM before you get your legitimate copy from Technet :P

(I don't mean me, we have msdn, technet and action pack as well. I was being facetious.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620334 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:27:47 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620219 Snickerdo : I'll have a legitimate copy of the RTM from Technet before any of you guys get your pre-ordered copies in the mail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620219 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:59:11 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620185 urbanriot :
said by pat_lc2000 See Profile :

I have never heard of anyone where it wouldn't see the motherboard. I"m calling bullshit on that.
Re-read, relax, he said "motherboard install CD" which makes sense if his board is pre-Windows 7. He's clearly not a technical person so give him some slack :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620185 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:48:54 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620160 pat_lc2000 : I have never heard of anyone where it wouldn't see the motherboard. I"m calling bullshit on that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620160 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:43:31 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620026 Sukunai : My computer buddy likes it enough he said he might even buy it legit.
I took notice of that enough to get the free use beta and give it a look.

The first thing it did, was refuse to acknowledge my Motherboard install cd. Kinda lost my interest at light speed right there.
I might have stuck it out if I had the ability to have sound, but without my drivers, it was a no go. And the summer heat is not when I feel like fighting with an install of an OS.

I will likely gladly convert next year, when it's not beta, and maybe if it can at least relate to my hardware.
But pay for it? Hmm, can't see me paying X hundreds of dollars for something I KNOW will become persona non grata in 2 years or less.

Maybe if MS realized that not all of us feel like chipping into Bill Gates' charity fund donation generator every 2-3 years, it might make a difference.
Maybe if Bill stopped giving his money away, he could actually drop the damn price of the OS too.
100-200-300 bucks!!? why not 40-50-60 bucks like all the other PC software out there eh.

I would kind of like to buy an OS that would remain viable for 10 years with free updates made available. Because X hundreds of dollars, better get me several years worth of service, or I will just continue to obtain his OS in the usual fashion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620026 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:06:07 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620006 urbanriot :
said by Dragonfist :

Use linux, I recommend Ubuntu. It is a waste of money. Save your money for hardware.
Yea, with all the new changes to 2.6.30, a heavily tweaked Linux kernel can load the OS almost as quick as a Vista x64 system on current hardware. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22620006 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:00:34 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619940 anon : Use linux, I recommend Ubuntu. It is a waste of money. Save your money for hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619940 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:44:03 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619843 EUS :
said by gold1 See Profile :

Well I hope it lives up to its reputation.
So, you're blowing money for a good deal, on something you haven't tried yet?
Shareholders' wet dream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619843 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:06:01 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619780 TakeTheFifth :
said by dbsanfte See Profile :

I don't pay for what I can get for free.
You use Linux ? :hmm:

I do too ;).

But I still pre-ordered W7.

Phil]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619780 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:39:41 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619408 dbsanfte : I don't pay for what I can get for free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619408 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:45:15 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619029 Quake110 : I've switched to Linux and use XP for games. Perhaps I'll order Windows 7 when DirectX 10 and 11 games become more popular.

Btw, this topic should be in »Canadian Chat]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619029 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:41:52 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619017 Angelo_ : waste of money]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619017 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:36:00 EDT Re: Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22616313 bt : I'm considering it, but it'd just sit there until the first service pack if I did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22616313 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:13:51 EDT Anyone else pre-order windows 7? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22616238 gold1 : For $65 home premium seems like a good deal. Don't know why it has to be $15 more expensive (thats more than 25%) than in the states. We are always getting screwed like this...

Well I hope it lives up to its reputation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22616238 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:04:17 EDT