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Re: 2009 VW Jetta TDI or 2009 Toyota Prius
said by 3SGTE  :Anyone can get real prices. well, you guys seem to have better prices on the Prius' than we do...the US and CAD prices on the VW aren't too far off (the base TDI for you is $22,700 and for us it is $24,275 for a difference of $1575...but they are WAY off on the Prius (the Touring model is $24,270 for you and $31,345 for us for a difference of $7,075).
have a look: »www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects···e%2ehtml
and the VW: »www.vw.ca/vwcms/master_public/vi···dan.html
that said, even if they are the same price, i still think the VW is worth considering, and despite the fact Toyota makes great cars, i would still pick the VW...the VW has more "fun" stuff, still gets great mileage, has included maintenance, a strong resale value, i don't have to worry about all that battery pack down the road and it may even have a better warranty...i think the biggest deal breaker is, up here, the Prius is also about $5000-$7,000 more...considering you will get about the same amount of range per tank of fuel, and the lower cost of diesel, they will both be about the same price to "fill up" even if the VW does use a little more fuel...another "problem" i have is, not very many people buy the hybrids up here...for one, it is because of their price...secondly, in the colder climate in the winter, they don't get very good range at all (although, that is supposed to be improving), but i think the verdict is still out on these...Toronto purchased a whole bunch of hybrid buses for their public transportation system about 2 years ago...the latest batch of hybrids were cancelled, and they are going back to diesels...the hybrid buses were $750,000 each, compared to less than $400,000 for the new diesel buses, and about half of the battery packs in the buses have already had to be replaced (they were told they should last about 5 years...many of them have only lasted just over 18 months)...i think they stated the battery packs were something like $60,000 each (per bus)...also, after analyzing the fuel savings (which was touted as between 30-40% savings), they found they were saving less than 10%...they scrapped the remaining order of hybrids and are sticking with the diesel buses (they are still newer technology, high efficient diesel buses)...but many people aren't too happy with that fiasco, as that was a lot of money wasted.
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If you are considering the Prius you should also consider the newly released Honda Insight. They look virtually identical and the Honda starts under $20K. I'm not saying it's better than the Prius, just suggesting you compare the Insight to the Prius before making a final decision. |
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Diesel fuel is cheaper now but that is not a given. Last year it was significantly more than regular gas. An eventual economic recovery will increase demand for diesel and probably prices.
»www.thestar.com/Business/article/654194
Also, as was cited, the Prius is notably more expensive in Canada than in the US for some reason. |
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dirtyjeffer
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meh, if you are going to get a hybrid, you might as well get the Prius...the Insight is marginally better in fuel economy than a civic.
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said by puzz1ed :Diesel fuel is cheaper now but that is not a given. Last year it was significantly more than regular gas. An eventual economic recovery will increase demand for diesel and probably prices. » www.thestar.com/Business/article/654194 it is not a given, but at its worst, it is comparable to gasoline...considering the increased efficiency, you still end up ahead (vs a gasoline powered car).
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Thanks all for valuable information.
I went and test drove the Honda Insight as well but did not care for the ride that much. To me the TDI is still the move fun to drive..
My local Shell is selling Diesel for $2.40/gallon well below Grade 93 Super Unleaded..
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The Camry Hybrid is a far better deal in Canada.
I drove my father's from Windsor to Scarborough (380 km/236 miles) and averaged 5.8 l/100 km with speeds between 120-140 km/h, also including stop and go rush hour traffic in Toronto.
(40 US MPG)
Also, FWIW, the new Prius includes a heat exchanger in the exhaust system to promote faster warm-up. This improves real world fuel economy (although it doesn't affect the official ratings)
Exhaust Heat Recovery System
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| said by 3SGTE :The Camry Hybrid is a far better deal in Canada. how so?
it is $31,000 for the base model, which is $3000 more than the well equipped "mid level" Jetta and $4000 more than the base model Camry Hybrid in the USA.
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said by dirtyjeffer :
said by 3SGTE :
3. The Prius does not use a metalbelt-type CVT in place of an A/T or M/T. It uses a planetary gearset and a pair of motors. By varying motor speed and load, this ratio resulting from the planetary gearset is varied continuously.
the older ones use a CVT (at least, that is what it was called before)...either way, it is not a simple manual or "more common" automatic transmission.
i just wanted to point out, that i never mentioned anything about a "metalbelt-type CVT"...i simply stated that they use a CVT transmission, which most people don't like...the Prius (and the other hybrid Toyota models) DO in fact use a CVT transmission...Ford also used them for a couple of models in their Five Hundred and Freestyle models over the last couple of years, but dropped them and went back to an automatic transmission.
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here is some info on mythbusters "Diesel Diaries"...now, it might be an "ad" of sorts for the vehicle, but its points are true.
»dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus···diaries/
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Because when i drive Gasoline engine vehicle Super Premium is what i put in it.. |
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said by dirtyjeffer : Ford also used them for a couple of models in their Five Hundred and Freestyle models over the last couple of years, but dropped them and went back to an automatic transmission. .... which is a shame. I had a Ford Freestyle with the CVT in it, and it was great. No concerns at all - and a much "simpler" transmission in terms of moving parts.
Long-term reliability 20 years down the road TBD, but it was fun while I had it.
Now I have an '08 Ford Fusion with a traditional automatic, and it's OK, but I actually enjoyed driving the CVT! |
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| said by dennismurphy :Now I have an '08 Ford Fusion with a traditional automatic, and it's OK, but I actually enjoyed driving the CVT! you are the minority...even the Nissan Maxima with the CVT is getting it listed as in the "CONS" side...it might be one of those things that people warm up to, but the word is verdict is still out on CVT's and whether they are better or not.
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clubs: | my wifes CVT in her freestyle i like alot. I have a 6-speed auto and it is eh |
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dirtyjeffer
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London, ON | yea, despite their great reviews, remind me again how well the Five Hundred and Freestyle sold again??  |
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clubs: | freestyle's sold very well and are still around under the taurus label. the five hundred was a POS |
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| said by comp :freestyle's sold very well and are still around under the taurus label. the five hundred was a POS freestyle's did not sell very well, and while they did relabel it the Taurus X, it has also been discontinued and is not made anymore...the Five Hundred is the same car, so it can't be a POS (and was rated fairly well)...the current Taurus (which is also about to be completely replaced) is nothing more than the Five Hundred with a new grill and powertrain...the new Taurus however, is completely revised, inside and out.
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clubs: | from reading around the net the freestyle did quite well for the 3-4 years it was around. it never had a shot though once ford released the edge |
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1 edit | hey, don't get me wrong...the freestyle is a good vehicle, and received strong reviews, but in terms of sales, it (and the Five Hundred) were a flop...it is why they re-labaled them as the Taurus, and why they have a completely new model coming in as we speak...and the "X" version has been dropped...not because it wasn't any good, but because it wasn't selling.
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