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cheryllj

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[Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

Hi,
For about the past month there's been a very hot add running on some Portland, OR radio stations. It states that private philanthropists want to help citizens in need so they're willing to give $2500 to an individual, the application only takes 1 minute to fill out & you "never pay it back"!!!
Well, being curious I wanted to check the website out & here I am....after being taken to:
»www.govgrantstudy.info/?gclid=CM···odwDrlCA, then when you try to exit the page you may be taken to another page at:
»www.govgrantstudy.info/c2m.php?sub=EXIT
which states that this government grant study program has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS & FOX networks. The only cost to you is $2.95 for shipping.

nwrickert
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

The domain govgrantstudy.info was created May 21. It is barely one month old.

Very likely to be a scam.
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the ad claims are more than likely 99.999999% false, but you were one of a few hundred that decided to inquire about it. the others just went with it, gave their info for the 2.95, and will be inquiring later about their $2500.
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egecko

join:2001-02-27
Beaverton, OR

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

HA! sorry, but people that don't research before submitting information where they get something for free that's advertised on the radio should know better. Especially when they are asked for financial information to where they will be charged a small fee for information! I've heard the commercial plenty of times and of course decided to read all of the disclaimers, privacy and other notices on the website to see what it's all about. After reading them, it still didn't really make sense to me so I searched for reviews and found several.

My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.

nwrickert
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.
That's a good principle to remember.

I am quite amazed by the number of obvious scams that I hear advertised on the radio. It seems that there are no longer any standards. Is fraud the only growth industry left in America?
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

My only hope are forums such as these.

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I've wondered the same thing. I don't expect radio stations to be cops or Private Investigators, but for crying out loud, some of the commercials I hear could only be considered legitimate by a moron. Looks to me like the radio stations don't care if it is a scam as long as they're getting the ad revenue.
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said by egecko See Profile :

My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.
Your teacher was clearly a Robert A. Heinlein (science fiction author) fan. That is a variation on a quote from Heinlein's, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress: "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" (rendered as, "TANSTAAFL").
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

Free Lunch (Way before Robert A. Heinlein's lifetime.)

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_lunch
quote:
The phrase free lunch, in U. S. literature from about 1870 to 1920, refers to a tradition once common in saloons in many places in the United States. These establishments included a "free" lunch, varying from rudimentary to quite elaborate, with the purchase of at least one drink. These free lunches were typically worth far more than the price of a single drink.[1] The saloon-keeper relied on the expectation that most customers would buy more than one drink, and that the practice would build patronage for other times of day.

Sometimes, free food or drink is supplied today, often by gambling establishments.

The saying "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch", often abbeviated to TANSTAAFL, refers to this custom, meaning that things which appear to be free are always paid for in some way.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL
quote:
TANSTAAFL is an acronym for the adage "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" originating in the late 1930s and later popularized by science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein in his 1966 novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
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ladylovewillow

@cox.net

I had just given my information to this website and looked at the fine print. They will charge your credit card $40/month after the seven day trial offer. Plus another $20 to a sister site/program. I called the customer service number to cancell right away. We shall see if they really cancelled.

makethempay

@bellsouth.net
I have done banking for over 6 years .you can put in a dispute with your cc company, or you bank if you used a debit card. and they will take care of the unauthorized charges for you.
garys_2k

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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by makethempay :

I have done banking for over 6 years .you can put in a dispute with your cc company, or you bank if you used a debit card. and they will take care of the unauthorized charges for you.
You sure about the debit card? There's often less protection for debit card (v. credit card) victims, iirc.
MGD
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said by cheryllj :

Hi,
For about the past month there's been a very hot add running on some Portland, OR radio stations. It states that private philanthropists want to help citizens in need so they're willing to give $2500 to an individual, the application only takes 1 minute to fill out & you "never pay it back"!!!
......
ALL ADVERTISEMENTS FOR GOVERNMENT GRANTS WHICH REQUIRE YOU TO PROVIDE CREDIT OR CHECKING DATA ARE SCAMS, NO EXCEPTIONS !!, and that is not just my opinion: »www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consume···134.shtm

You should contact your local media who are accepting commercials from these scammers and complain. In fact in this case they could become a party to a potnetial class action:

govgrantstudy.info is a paid affiliate which redirects to Grants360.com as well as other scam sites:

quote:
Grants360.com Class Action Investigation
An investigation is currently being conducted regarding possible unauthorized credit card transactions being made by Grants360.com and/or one or more of its business partners. Consumers may be first alerted to the possible unauthorized credit card transactions when they notice a cryptic recurring monthly charge on their credit card bill.

You should check your credit card and bank statements for suspicious charges. If you feel you have been the victim of an unauthorized credit card transaction by Grants360.com or one of its business partners, please fill out the contact form below.

This website is not associated with nor authorized by Grants360.com.

»www.abingtonlaw.com/grants360cla···ion.html

said by cheryllj :

........which states that this government grant study program has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS & FOX networks.
.....
Displaying those ABC, NBC, CBS & FOX network's logos by govgrantstudy.info is an illegal trademark and copyright infringement. It is fraud facilitation and deception, none of them made any such endorsements.

said by cheryllj :

The only cost to you is $2.95 for shipping.

That minimal cost is a ruse in order to obtain your financial info. Here is what happens next:

quote:
unauthorized charge

Complaint Rating:
Company information:
incomepeer.com
unknown/360 grants alt name
Apache Junction, Arizona
United States
Phone: 1-866-955-1669
incomepeer.com

I only authorized them to remove $1.95 but they charged me $57.61 and $1.95 for a total of $59.56 plus my bank charged me a $38.00 bounce fee.i am disabled i now have no money and my electric is being shut off.thanks alot incomepeer.com how do u people sleep at night.I WANT MY MONEY BACK NOW!CREDIT IT BACK TO THE SAME CARD YOU CHARGED IMMEDIATELY.I WILL NOT LET THIS GO I NEED MY MONEY I AM POOR.-------AILEEN BISHOP--REDACTED@gmail.com

»www.complaintsboard.com/complain···868.html

quote:
I am a single mother of three and just lost my job. With no where to turn I thought 360grants would help me, but when it rains it sure does pour. They say they are taking 1.95 out for shipping and handl, but really they STEAL more then that. As soon as I did it I checked my account and not only was 1.95 missing which was fine but also 38.21 had been unauthorized illegally and taken out. i called the number which was provided and spoke with an operator (which by the way is the only one who works there) she is a freak and can't speak english. She let me know that she would cancel my membership but could not put my money back because it would not authorize her to do so, wich is a crock of shit!!!! I told her that if she did not put my money back in my account I would turn her and the company over to the FBI. It was the only thing I could think of because I was so freaken mad. She told me that the only way to get a hold of taxrefundguide.com was to email them since they were the ones who took the 38.21 right......Wrong! They are one and the same company who do not tell you that they are taking 38.21 out along with the 1.95 the site answered none of my questions anyway and was not helpful to my situation. Warning: ALL GRANT SITES ARE FRAUDS!

»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/4···7306.htm

quote:
When I received my bank statment on Friday, May 15th, I noticed there were a couple of charges that were not approved charges by me or my husband. There was a number to call, so I called the number, I was told to go to refunds@grants 360 to get a refund. When I got to work this morning, I tried to get on-line, but received an error message. There were 2 charges to my account, 1 from grants360.com for 58.07 and another one from turbo-irs-ta.com for 38.52. The phone numbers on my statement for these 2 charges are: turbo-irs-ta-1-866-978-1126 and grants360.com-1-866-955-1669. When I called both numbers, the same girls answered for both companies! I did not order anything and defineatey did not give them permission to debit my checking account.

»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/4···2820.htm

Please contact our support department at 1.866.955.1669 or email us at support@grants360.com.

grants360.com is currently processing charges via:

Cure Technologies Inc.
Unit 300 - 1000 West 14th' Street
North Vancouver, B.C V7P 3P3
Tele: (604) 990 1588
Fax (604) 990 1575
Email: info@cure.net

under an account id of 504704

quote:
>https://www.grants360.com/signup/gateways/signup.php?memberid=504704&gateway=CUREPAY

form method="post" action="signup.php" onsubmit="hidepay(); areYouReallySure = true;"

input type="hidden" name="memberid" value="504704"
input type="hidden" name="natssess" value=""
input type="hidden" name="gateway" value="CUREPAY"
.

MGD

captokita
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Calabash, NC

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by MGD See Profile :

You should contact your local media who are accepting commercials from these scammers and complain. In fact in this case they could become a party to a potnetial class action:
Doubt they would be liable - no more so than a tv station plays the "Make millions selling ads" commercials.

But that wouldn't stop someone from trying of course.
MGD
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by captokita See Profile :

said by MGD See Profile :

You should contact your local media who are accepting commercials from these scammers and complain. In fact in this case they could become a party to a potnetial class action:
Doubt they would be liable - no more so than a tv station plays the "Make millions selling ads" commercials.
..
.
Yes, that is true, and I doubt they could be held liable either. However the FTC is now putting pressure on other media outlets for allowing blatant scam adds, and unless TV and Radio media clean up their act, I can see some regulations being enacted.

quote:
FTC to Web Publishers: Get Rid of Stimulus Scam Ads

By Kate Kaye, ClickZ, Mar 4, 2009

Web site publishers and ad networks are on the Federal Trade Commission's radar, but this time it's not for behavioral targeting or data privacy related concerns. The FTC warned it is cracking down on misleading ads and e-mails promoting access to economic stimulus related grants, and the media firms enabling those ads. Some of the scams are promoted through display ads featuring photos of President Obama, Google sponsored listings featuring the president's name, or sites displaying his 2008 campaign logo or logos of popular news outlets.

Facebook has already agreed to ban such ads, and Google is working with the FTC to investigate ads that violate its advertiser policies, according to the commission.

The FTC is asking "online media companies to monitor their sites for scam ads and get rid of them," said Eileen Harrington, acting director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, this morning during a press conference.

.....
..
.
"Our AdWords Content Policy does not permit ads for sites that make false claims, and we investigate and remove any ads that violate our policies," said Google in a statement e-mailed to ClickZ News. "We have discussed these issues with the Federal Trade Commission and reaffirmed our commitment to protecting users from scam ads."

Facebook has agreed to ban stimulus-related scam ads from its site. "Ads touting free stimulus money were on Facebook," said Harrington, who said the company pulled the ads on its own volition, and following conversations with the FTC. "We absolutely salute Facebook for being so proactive in this regard," she added.

But it may not be easy for publishers and ad sellers to rid the Web of such nefarious advertising. Exactly who's behind such ads is difficult to determine. Many lead to domains that differ from the ones featured in the ad copy, and transfer from one domain to another. For instance, ObamaStimulusPlan.info features news headlines and links to economic stimulus information, and an ad promoting "free money in government grants," which leads the user to a site associated with Grant Stimulus Source; the site also features CNN and CNBC logos.
............
...
.

Ref: »www.clickz.com/3633002

MGD

rzaruba

join:2000-08-04

quote:
For about the past month there's been a very hot add running on some Portland, OR radio stations.
I don't know about you, but I don't think there are any legitimate ads on radio any more.

They basically run:
1) Government grants
2) Debt reduction schemes
3) Credit card debt elimination
4) Internet kiosks
5) Colon cleansers
6) "Enlargement" products
7) Products containing zinc
8) Other quack health products
9) Real estate schemes
10) Products advertised a fake radio shows and interviews that insult the intelligence................

What have I missed?

nwrickert
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

I don't know about you, but I don't think there are any legitimate ads on radio any more.
There are still a few, but the quantity of outright scams being pushed on the radio is distressingly high.
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You've about covered it. I almost find it difficult to listen to radio anymore because I hear so much of this horse sh!t I just get angry when the commercials run.
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Noah Gullible

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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

I heard the commercial a couple of times today on WLAC radio 1510 am in Nashville. Millions to give away? No charge, never pay it back? Come on. Everyone should know it's a scam. Shame on WLAC radio for not checking out their advertisers!! But, I guess they are experiencing economic difficulties as well and will advertise for anyone who pays...

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I bet you end up at a site similar to vemmabuilder.com which asks for CC info so they can sell/send you a CD with the grant information.

I wonder why they have S&H charges less than $3.00?
If I had a site like that I would at least charge $19.95
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said by cheryllj :

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com
FYI, the subject title NeverPayitBack.com is also discussed in this thread: »[Scam] Federal Funds Administration and is part of this group:

Federalfundsadministration.com
Nevergiveitback.com
Neverpayitback.com

MGD

Stephanie

@rr.com

I heard the 'Never Pay it Back' ad on a radio station in NC. You would think that radio stations would be more selective about the information that is being broadcasted. The same goes for TV stations. This is an indication of how far people will go to get money.

timberwolf

@comcast.net

Bravo 2 all that caught the scam presented on radios through out the country. if this was a true ad they would not ask for financial info,rather send you a true form 2 fill out and send 2 a legitimate office. so i whole heartedly agree this is a 100% scam these people that prey on people in todays time and economy need 2 b punished

HW

@comcast.net

If it's too good to be true then it usually is. It's understandable given the economic times that we live in but organizations that give money away for nothing do so without having to advertise on the radio. Any time that someone asks for any kind of financial / personal information turn around and run...Live in Northern California and just did hear the commercial this a.m. Thought I'd check it out like I always do when something like this (radio / phone / newspaper) runs a blurb and this is usually the way that it ends up, a scam. I'm sorry for the people that have had troubles with this. If I could help I would but I've been unemployed for almost two years now and yes it sucks!!

I did give a couple of guys and their dog who were sitting at the exit of an in-n-out burger $20 last week for food for themselves and their dog (they did tell me that their pet comes first) and I wished I could have done more (thankfully my wife has a decent job but we're still feeling the effects of me not working) for them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all have to be careful in this day and age. It just takes a tragedy / personal grieve for the criminals to come out of the woodwork. It's scum like this that makes it hard for good people to trust each other.

And with that I'm done. I wish you all well!
Whip

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quote:
It is definitely a scam. I entered the first name "Chuck", and the email address..... charlesmanson@folsomprison.gov (Not where he's really located, but what the heck.....) and guess what???? I QUALIFIED!!!! I did read the terms and conditions, and not only is there the talk of the recurring fee, but check this out......

This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Philippines , without regard to its conflict of laws rules. Any legal action arising out of this Agreement shall be litigated and enforced under the laws of the Philippines.

In addition, you agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the courts of the Philippines, and that any legal action pursued by you shall be within the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of the Philippines in Pasig City, Philippines.

The terms constituting this offering are set forth in writing on this Web site. You hereby agree to submit to the jurisdiction located in Pasig City, Philippines to resolve any disputes or litigation hereunder. Whether or not you choose to print this offering, containing the terms and conditions as described herein, you agree that this contract constitutes a writing.

»scam.com/showthread.php?p=778392#post778392

captain_obvious

@rr.com

I genuinely feel for people who are in such economic strain they experience a glimmer of hope when they hear an ad like this. I myself was laid off and have been jobless for almost two months. BUT....free money? never pay it pack? get a grant from the government without having a legitimate, competitive use for the grant money? Grants are for researchers and non-profit difference-makers. You don't just get a lovely little $2500 grant because lawks a mercy, you sho' nuff do need the money! Come on now. If there are funds someone can't get from filing unemployment claims, what in the world would make them think that there are mysterious grants from 'philanthropists' that are advertised over am/fm airwaves. lol. Honestly...

water bird

@verizon.net
My biggest questions is "Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?" - TV stations have to note the warnings in very very small print warnings.

rzaruba

join:2000-08-04

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

"Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"

Because they don't care.

I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.

It used to be a flagship station, now virtually every ad is for a scam or quack remedy.

rzaruba

join:2000-08-04

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

quote:
I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.
Or as Jean Shepherd used to say:

There is no "H" in that.....................................
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said by rzaruba See Profile :

"Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"

Because they don't care.

I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.

It used to be a flagship station, now virtually every ad is for a scam or quack remedy.
It's not that they don't care (well, maybe some don't...), it's the ad revenue. In the current economic situation, ad revenue has taken a huge dump and they're desperately trying to get some back. Because of this, media sales departments nationwide have lowered the bar (a lot) on what they will accept. They know the ads are shaky but the (lack) of revenue streams demand it.

Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of media has going for them.
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quote:
Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of media has going for them.
Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of the scammers have going for them.

"Aw, so what if he killed his 'Maw? He said he's sorry, didn't he?"

Wallace Beery, THE BIG HOUSE, 1930

Oh, well, principles be damned as long as we make money.

rzaruba

join:2000-08-04
quote:
My biggest questions is "Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"
Years ago, stations. magazines, etc., used to have codes of ethics for advertising.
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by rzaruba See Profile :



Years ago, stations. magazines, etc., used to have codes of ethics for advertising.
I worked in radio in those days.

An Everdry deodorant commercial:

He: Dear, what kind of deodorant do you use?

She, Oh, I thought you would never ask! I use Everdry Extradry, and on those special days . . .

Commercial gone.

I'm modern, I'm tolerant, but there are a lot of ads I could do without.

chickenbig

join:2009-07-22
Brandon, FL
a friend told me i should check this site out. I was at someone's house and found this neverpayitback.com in their browser recent history. i went to the site and it just looked "too good to be true".....

GD100

@comcast.net
When I looked for The same site, everything checked out OK for me. I used Google and clicked on the first site, and Bingo!
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

"Bingo?" What checks out? That they charge money for free information? What if somebody doesn't use Google?

The first link not listed as "sponsored" (different search than Google) was the Privacy Policy link for the "Neverpayitback" site. Basically states that they may share any personally identifying information that they collect.

The second link not listed as "sponsored" is a "Yahoo! Answers" link which basically reiterates most of what is being posted here; that "Neverpayitback" charges an exorbitant fee for information which can be had free elsewhere.
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Curious79

@mcleodusa.net
So have you received any response from the program or anything in return at all?

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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

They replied with, "Thanks suckers, we have your money and are enjoying a long extended holiday overseas to prevent extradition. Good Luck."

Russ Ptacek

@swbell.net

Here's a story from Russ Ptacek at NBC Action News in Kansas City about the site and other sites that make big claims but could cost you a lot of money (along with links to truly free legitimate sites that the government operates):

»www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in···mMA.cspx
MGD
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by Russ Ptacek :

Here's a story from Russ Ptacek at NBC Action News in Kansas City about the site and other sites that make big claims but could cost you a lot of money (along with links to truly free legitimate sites that the government operates):

»www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in···mMA.cspx
Excellent article Russ, and it deserves to be picked up and redistributed by the national media.

quote:
from Russ Ptacek's article:
..... We found claims suggesting people who enrolled in the Web sites got big money like $5,000 to fix up a home, or $2,800 to pay off medical bills, even $4,000 to pay down a mortgage.

ref:»www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in···mMA.cspx

All of those statments that are quoted on the sites are made up and fraudulent, they are used to entice victims to sign up.

Here are even more exagerated fraudulent quotes that are served up while travelling around the scam website neverpayitback.com

quote:
"I Recieved A Check In My Hand For $100,000!"

I found the grant I needed and filled out the forms and sent them in, and in about two weeks I received a check in my hand for $100,000. I am telling everyone I know about you all and what you have done for me!*
-- Carol K.

Get our FREE Grant Funding Kit!
Find the Grant that's right for you!
Receive your FREE MONEY!

I got the check in my hand for $150,000.*
Thank you again,
-William Rivas

I just had $300,000 dollars
deposited into my bank account.
Thanks so much!*
-Edwin Hurd

Followed by this totally false heading:

quote:
** Read about REAL PEOPLE who have recieved REAL MONEY! **

Money To Pay Your Mortgage!*

Thanks to Grant-A-Day my Wife and I were able to get a reprieve from foreclosure on our home. Like the Angels bringing the good news at Christmas-time you have given us a blessing, and a way to secure our home. We were about to lose our home to foreclosure. With your generous grant I was able to bring my payment up to date, and stop the foreclosure. It is great to know that there are organizations like yours that will give help to people like me and my wife who need it!
Delroy Stewart

Money To Pay Your Business Expenses!*

Thank you so much for awarding me a $500 Grant from the Grant-A-Day program. I never thought I would be awarded and then there it came in the mail. I will be putting the grant money to good use to pay some debt I have incurred in start up of my Home-Based Business. This will enable me to be home for my family instead of working away from my home. This grant was truly an answer to my prayers. Thanks again, not just from me, but from my family!
Tamara Schaufler

Money To Buy Christmas Presents!*

When applying for the grant I wasn't sure what to expect but to my delight and surprise a check came in the mail in a few weeks! I was able to bless a divorced mother of three with funds to pay her monthly bills in order to free up some of her cash to purchase a few Christmas presents for her children. These are truly great kids who's dad is on death row. It's very sad that the children of inmates, are more often than not, left with the many hardships.
Joyce Joseph

Money For A Mom To Pay For Emergency Expenses!*

You have no idea how much that money helped out my family. Each one of my children now have a bed to sleep in. My Children have clothes that we all picked out together. My little girl is in a program with children that went through the same things. Every time I think about what you have done I cry. I have 4 children currently and two on the way. Its so hard doing it alone. This has helped us so much. You made me feel like a wonderful Mom.
Na-tasha Lee

Money To Pay Your Education Expenses!*

Thank you so much for the funding. I really appreciate it! With this $500 I can pay for my son's textbooks for the entire year at military school! I am a single parent paying my son's school tuition without any help from his father. My son is a very patriotic 8th grader that wants to be a part of the war against terrorism. He wants to be a helicopter pilot in the Marines or Air Force. Again, thank you for this funding. The Grant-A-Day program is a Godsend!!
Claudette Robb Ross

Money To Fix Up Your Car!*

I would like to thank you for accepting my grant for funding through THE GRANT-A-DAY PROGRAM. I am enclosing two different pictures of my 1997 Ford Ranger truck, which I spent most of the funding for brakes and to have the rotors repaired. I cannot thank you enough for your kindness, it is greatly appreciated. I am also sending a package to you at Grant-A-Day with an enclosed letter to show my appreciation! Thank you!
Sharon Ebert

These are fictitious, created as a ruse to entice victims into giving up their card data to neverpayitback.com.

quote:
from Russ Ptacek's article:
... When our bill arrived, we were billed for the original $2.29, but we also got hit with recurring monthly bills on our credit card for $7.95, $39.95, and $9.95.

Ref:»www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in···cspx?p=3

Almost $60, and every month yet.

quote:
from Russ Ptacek's article:
Consumer agencies and the Federal Trade Commission warn that many of the sites operate nearly identical alleged schemes that don't pay out what they promise.

"We recently conducted a ‘sweep’ of con artists taking advantage of the ‘economic crisis’" says FTC spokesperson Elizabeth Lordan. "The sweep netted various types of scams, including grant scams."

Lordan said grant programs rank as of the highest categories of complaints received by FTC investigators.

While the FTC is doing a great job of going after these scammers, civil action is futile. This epidemic of fraud will not stop multiplying until criminal chages are filed, and they end up behind bars. Only then will consumers begin to get some relief from this constant barage of fraud and deceit.

To support that belief, allow me to cite the case of one Paul Navestad. A quote above from Russ Ptacek's article includes this from the FTC:

"We recently conducted a ‘sweep’ of con artists taking advantage of the ‘economic crisis’" says FTC spokesperson Elizabeth Lordan. "The sweep netted various types of scams, including grant scams.

Paul Navestad was included in that latest "con artists sweep" listed this month by the FTC: »www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/07/shortchange.shtm

quote:
Cash Grant InstitutePaul Navestad aka Paul Richard; Global Ad Agency, Domain Leasing Company, and/or Global Advertising Agency; and Chintana Maspakorn aka Christina Maspakorn.

Cash Grant Institute, and its principals allegedly waged an automated robocall campaign promoting bogus claims that consumers were qualified for grant money from the government, private foundations, and wealthy individuals that they could use to overcome their financial problems. They made similar misleading claims about "free grant money" on their Web sites, cashgrantsearch.com and requestagrant.com. This case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York.

Even though the FTC has commenced the following actions:

quote:
July 1, 2009
• Revised Temporary Restraining Order with Asset Freeze, Appointment of a Receiver, and Other Equitable Relief, with an Order to Show Cause Why a Preliminary Injunction Should Not Issue »www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/···dtro.pdf

• Complaint for Civil Penalties, Permanent Injunction, and Other Equitable Relief »www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/···mplt.pdf

Ref:»www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/index.shtm

Unfortunately, with respect to Paul Navestad, the FTC's complaints for Civil Penalties, Permanent Injunction, and Other Equitable Relief, are nothing short of a joke. Mr. Navestad has been thumbing his nose at the FTC for over 13 years. Repeatedly ignoring multiple court orders to cease and desist, and prohibiting him for being involved in any way with promoting these scams:

Some excerpts regarding Navestad from this post »Re: FTC Cracks Down on Scammers "Operation Short Change" which is part of this thread:»FTC Cracks Down on Scammers "Operation Short Change"

From Circa 2002:
quote:
FSN and Navestad were the targets of a case brought in 1996 by the New York State Attorney General’s Office which resulted in a settlement that required them to cease their deceptive business practices. The company continued to deceive consumers, however, by offering programs that claimed consumers were "pre-approved" for non-existent loans and grants.

Attorney General Spitzer’s office brought a motion for contempt in federal court for the Western District of New York against FSN and navestad for violating the prior court order. At the same time, the FTC brought an action for violations of the Federal Trade Commission Act and Telemarketing Sales Rule.

The settlement permanently bans FSN and navestad from advertising, marketing, promoting, offering for sale or selling of any credit-related goods or services

"I would like to commend the Federal Trade Commission for its cooperation in bringing these cases to a conclusion. It is an excellent example of federal and state cooperation to fulfill our joint mission of protecting the public," Spitzer said.


The protection of the public may have lasted all of a few days. Navestad set up remote operations in Hong Kong, presumably keeping most of the funds offshore as well, in anticipation of any future actions. Mr. Navestad futher spit in the face of the civil court system by subsequently infiltrating and masquerading inside Prosper, the peer to peer lending network, soliciting victims for advance fee loans:

Paul Navestad is the TOS violating subject of this circa 2007 memo from Prosper:

quote:
Members of Fan received this email sometime this morning:

It has come to our attention that one of the group leaders on Prosper is subject to a Federal Trade Commission (FTC) settlement order that bans him and his related companies from advertising, marketing, promoting, offering for sale, or selling any credit-related goods or services, or assisting others engaged in the same activities. As a result, we have terminated the Prosper membership of the leaders of the following groups:

FinancialAssistanceNetwork, MinorityAssistance.org, EmergencyAssistance.org, PayItForwardLoans.com, HR-Assistance.com, CreditCardAssistance.org, and FAN-Lenders-Alliance.

Existing funded loans in these groups will continue to be active loans on Prosper and existing listings from members of these groups will remain open. Prosper will assume leadership of these groups, but will not accept new members into these groups. We are not aware of any illegal activity in these groups on Prosper, or any irregularities with regard to any loans to members of these groups, but we are obligated to take this action in light of the FTC settlement order. As always, thank you for your support of Prosper. Sincerely, Prosper Security

This message was sent from Prosper based on your communication preferences. Edit your communication preferences. Copyright ? 2005-2006 Prosper Marketplace, Inc. All rights reserved. Prosper is located at 111 Sutter St., 22nd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94104

»prosperreport.appdesigns.com//th···59.0.HTM

So what is the point of repeated civil actions and court orders over a 15 year career.? Attention FTC, the only way to protect consumers from this type of incessant preying, is to involve the FBI, and bring federal criminal felony charges.

There are some serious questions about the ethics of the radio stations that carry these scam adds, as it enables a new pool of potential victims. However, they are not the only entity whose ethics should be questioned. Take note of an earlier quote from a previous post above

quote:
Web site publishers and ad networks are on the Federal Trade Commission's radar, but this time it's not for behavioral targeting or data privacy related concerns. The FTC warned it is cracking down on misleading ads and e-mails promoting access to economic stimulus related grants, and the media firms enabling those ads.
....
Google is working with the FTC to investigate ads that violate its advertiser policies, according to the commission.
..
.
The FTC is asking "online media companies to monitor their sites for scam ads and get rid of them," said Eileen Harrington, acting director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, this morning during a press conference.

Unfortunately, Google is not doing anything close to enough with respect to scam promotions. A current search will bring up multiple scam grant and loan Google sponsored adds.

In addition, lets add the banking system into this questionable ethics bhavior also. All of these scam promotions have merchant processing accounts attached to them. Based on the thousands of consumer complaints of these negative option billing charges, banks and merchant account providers have to know what is going on.

Any consumer who falls victim to these scams with their credit cards, should immediatly file dispute notices with their institution in accordance with their federal rights under the FCBA. Not only should they cite the negative option billing, but also reference the numerous FTC cases targeting these scams.

MGD

prestonlewis
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join:2003-04-13
Sacramento, CA
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3 edits
You didn't read the fine print that says:
1. You'll be charged $1.95 for shipping on the product you are ordering (so they can get your credit card number).
2. You'll be enrolled in several trial programs.
3. After the 1 day trial period is over for the extra programs, you'll be charged: $57 for the Grants360 program and $38 for another program. These are montly charges.

Hold on to your wallet. Pretty much ANY internet ad (or in this case radio ad that sends you to the internet) that asks for a very low $ for shipping usually has the fine print enrolling you in "clubs" with charges that will come in a few days.

You call to disenroll, they say they will, they don't and continue charging your credit card. You'll end up having to cancel your credit card in order to stop the charges. This same scam is found on the Google Money scam, Twitter Money scam and various other similar scams.

Always read the "terms" which will tell you what their scam is. How do they get away with it? Cause when you give them your credit card number, you state that you did read the terms which includes all the info they don't want you to know. So legally they are not "stealing" your money since you agreed to the terms and they are following the terms.

You wouldn't give your credit card number to some known Russian or Chinese spam site would you? Yet hundreds of people willingly give their card numbers to sites like grants360.com even though the owners or thought to be in the Phillipines, the 800 number is answered in the Phillipines, the card processor is Canadian, and the web site gives a corporate address in England. No US connections at all so how can they be prosecuted? Smart, isn't it.

Either you learn to read the fine print and be able to do some internet sleuthing or for God's sake, don't give out your credit card to anyone on the internet. I always keep a VISA gift card on my desk just in case I do give out a card number to a site I'm not sure about. My local drug store sells "Vanilla VISA Gift Cards" in several denominations. I buy the $100 ones as needed. You can go online at vanillavisa.com and set your name, address, and zip so you can use the gift card anywhere on line with the 3 digit verification number printed on the back.
Whip

join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ


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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

Just to expand on these points also, the terms will usually have the 'shipping' fee in numerixcal figures while the scam part of what you will be charged monthly by mystery sites is written out alphabetically so if you skim the terms for numbers, you won't find any. This is what goes on in the 'google money' scams.

FBI

@rr.com
The owner of this sick scam has been arrested last weekend!
MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by FBI :

The owner of this sick scam has been arrested last weekend!
Somehow I doubt it....

You need to cough up a last name.

I have spent some considerable time tracking down the participants. All of these free loan & grant scams involve multiple players, with paid affiliates on the front lines, CPA advertisers / recruiters as the middlemen, and the originators hiding behind a healthy dose of obfuscation. Despite trails that lead to the Philippines and various states, the real perpetrators of this scam are based in Utah. Utah has become ground zero for many of these consumer scam operations, and has long ago earned the reputation as scammer friendly. In fact, on at least one occasion there has been the appearance that scammers can buy their way out of trouble.

Details to follow

MGD
darthboy

join:2007-12-31
Canada

on a premium sports channel here, there're ads selling fancy ware like towels and extended warranties. Oddly, when i typed the names into google, the first few search results either showed "SCAM!!!" or duped buyers suggesting much cheaper alternatives.

If it's a legit company selling usable stuff, the first few search results would most likely be corporate info instead of "SCAM!"...
Whip

join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

There's even a towel scam out there?

DanHo
Premium
join:2002-05-20
Seattle, WA

Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

said by Whip See Profile :

There's even a towel scam out there?
Sure, it's called called the ScamWOW.

pcdebb
RIP dadkins
Premium
join:2000-12-03
Tampa, FL
clubs:

this scam is getting harder to fight against. it's getting alot of airtime on the radio here, and in other cities i'm hearing. my stepdad walks up to me today and tells me "you should check out this site. my daughters told me about it and they checked it out and you should too, it's called nevergiveitback or something". It's bad enough he's a Mr. Know-it-all as it is, but for me to try and tell him it's a scam didn't really hold water for the simple fact that he heard it on the radio so it MUST be legit.

i just simply told my mom for her not to even think about it or she will have to change her card number because if he (or his daughters) fell victim, we will be hearing the stories soon of money disappearing from their accounts.
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Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com

..., but for me to try and tell him it's a scam didn't really hold water for the simple fact that he heard it on the radio so it MUST be legit.
The amount of radio advertising for obvious scams, and for dubious sounding business that may well be scams, is really troubling.
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