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<description><![CDATA[MGD posted : I was wondering why the noise level for this SCAM had died down. Knowing that fraudsters never pack up and go home, I decided to go back and have another look:<br><br><b>NEVERPAYITBACK.COM</b> which used to look like this:<br><br>[Att=1]<br><br>Now has:<br><br>===========================<br><br>Thanks for taking the time to stop by...<br><br>If you are in need of GSS Support... have your Transaction ID ready<br>...and then please call 1 877 495-1145 24/7 for Immediate Assistance.<br><br>===========================<br><br><div class="borderless siteshot"><small><A TITLE="Zoom" HREF="http://i.dslr.net/urls/59/101959.png"><IMG BORDER=0 SRC="http://i.dslr.net/urls/59/101959-big.gif" width=280 height=202></A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://NeverPayitBack.com" >NeverPayitBack.com</A><br>Snapped 2009-09-24 22:05:03 <A HREF="/faq/7513" TITLE="Snap-shot of URL"><IMG  align=absmiddle style="vertical-align:middle;" TITLE="" SRC="http://i.dslr.net/silk/information.png" border=0 width=16 height=16></A><br></small></div><br><br>The number <b>877-495-1145</b> only tells part of the story: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=877-495-1145&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=" >www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour&middot;&middot;&middot;oq=&aqi=</A><br><br>The tandem website <b>NEVERGIVEITBACK.COM</b> which once served:<br><br>[att=2]<br><br>now shows:<br>===========================<br><br>Thank You For Visiting... We Are No Longer Taking Opt-ins.<br>For Support Please eMail - Support@NeverGiveItBack.com<br><br>===========================<br><br><div class="borderless siteshot"><small><A TITLE="Zoom" HREF="http://i.dslr.net/urls/60/101960.png"><IMG BORDER=0 SRC="http://i.dslr.net/urls/60/101960-big.gif" width=280 height=202></A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://NeverGiveItBack.com" >NeverGiveItBack.com</A><br>Snapped 2009-09-24 22:04:45 <A HREF="/faq/7513" TITLE="Snap-shot of URL"><IMG  align=absmiddle style="vertical-align:middle;" TITLE="" SRC="http://i.dslr.net/silk/information.png" border=0 width=16 height=16></A><br></small></div><br><br>At least they are using the correct verb, "take".<br><br>I need to go pull my old notes on this operation.<br><br>MGD<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23079273?c=1472687&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYyMjU1My54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="103122 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=625 SRC="/r0/download/1472687.thumb600~67a3bd8764d04b799fef9bbe9f85a462/NeverPayitBack.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23079273?c=1472688&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjYyMjU1My54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="100473 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=628 SRC="/r0/download/1472688.thumb600~6e8bce2734578b7e1fdc7bee39609cf3/nevergiveitback.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : ok i'm so thankful to all of y'all for posting what u did. it stopped me from filling out some stuff on grants360.com.<br><br>i applied for food stamps and an email was sent to me that i thought was from the food stamps office saying that i qualified for more grants... blahblahblah... the link led to grants360. i'm naturally skeptical of anything "free" (well, food stamps are from the state, not some website i've never heard of lol) so i tried checking the websites authenticity before proceeding..... i almost bought the gimmick and gave my info. but then i saw the posts made here.<br><br>thanks again!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NormanS posted : Yeah, well. Love of money is what drives the desire for status and power.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:21:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.calicocat.com/2004/05/is-money-root-of-all-evil.html" >www.calicocat.com/2004/05/is-mon&middot;&middot;&middot;vil.html</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>It is a common saying that &#147;money is the root of all evil.&#148; According to the Random House Dictionary of Proverbs and Sayings, the phrase first appeared in English circa 1000 A.D. The saying originated in the New Testament. &#147;For the love of money is the root of all evil.&#148; Timothy, 6:10. <br><br>It&#146;s obviously one of those sayings that has as great deal of staying power, having been around for two thousand years and still going strong. But how fair is it to blame all evil, or even any evil, on a medium of exchange? <br><br>I think it would be a much more accurate statement to say that the root of most evil is man&#146;s desire for status; either greed to increase one&#146;s status, or jealousy over losing in the status game to others. Money is the most obvious measure of one&#146;s status, so it&#146;s easy to confuse the two, but they are certainly not the same thing at all. Money is just one way of keeping score. Blaming money for evil is like blaming the scoreboard for the baseball game.<hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NormanS posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Miss Miami :</small><br><br>money the root of all evil.<br> </div>That is a common misquote. The actual phrase is, "The love of money is the root of all evil."<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted :  :huh:If you do want to take chances online you should order you a pay as you go card they are unlimited and if its a scan order another one but im glad i read some of these comments because i would be at my radio station locked and loaded ready for war because i have no money to loose and when you here it on the radio it gives you a little hope that it might be true i think this world is all albout money and our own gov. does not even care about the people who help keep this country afloat how sad is that. money the root of all evil.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nwrickert posted : <div class="bquote">..., but for me to try and tell him it's a scam didn't really hold water for the simple fact that he heard it on the radio  :huh: so it MUST be legit. </div>The amount of radio advertising for obvious scams, and for dubious sounding business that may well be scams, is really troubling.<br><small>--<br>AT&T dsl; Speedstream 5100b modem; Zyxel NBG334W router;  openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.12</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[pcdebb posted : this scam is getting harder to fight against.  it's getting alot of airtime on the radio here, and in other cities i'm hearing.  my stepdad walks up to me today and tells me "you should check out this site.  my daughters told me about it and they checked it out and you should too, it's called nevergiveitback or something".  It's bad enough he's a Mr. Know-it-all as it is, but for me to try and tell him it's a scam didn't really hold water for the simple fact that he heard it on the radio  :huh: so it MUST be legit.  <br><br>i just simply told my mom for her not to even think about it or she will have to change her card number because if he (or his daughters) fell victim, we will be hearing the stories soon of money disappearing from their accounts.<br><small>--<br>| <A HREF="http://www.wikimapia.org">map your city</a> | <A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/pcdebb">tweet</a> |</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DanHo posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1614594" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1614594');">Whip</a>:</small><br><br>There's even a towel scam out there?<br> </div>Sure, it's called called the ScamWOW.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rzaruba posted :   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of media has going for them.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of the scammers have going for them.<br><br>"Aw, so what if he killed his 'Maw?  He said he's sorry, didn't he?"<br><br>Wallace Beery, THE BIG HOUSE, 1930<br><br>Oh, well, principles be damned as long as we make money.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jay_rm posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/180303" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=180303');">rzaruba</a>:</small><br><br>"Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"<br><br>Because they don't care.<br><br>I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.<br><br>It used to be a flagship station, now virtually every ad is for a scam or quack remedy.<br> </div>It's not that they don't care (well, maybe some don't...), it's the ad revenue.  In the current economic situation, ad revenue has taken a huge dump and they're desperately trying to get some back.  Because of this, media sales departments nationwide have lowered the bar (a lot) on what they will accept.  They know the ads are shaky but the (lack) of revenue streams demand it.<br><br>Ad revenue is damn near the only thing a lot of media has going for them.<br><small>--<br>3500/512 5.7 GHz Motorola Canopy Wireless; FoxValley.net<br>'It looks just like a Telefunken U47 !'</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Whip posted : There's even a towel scam out there?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[garys_2k posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by makethempay :</small><br><br>I have done banking for over 6 years .you can put in a dispute with your cc company, or you bank if you used a debit card. and they will take care of the unauthorized  charges for you. <br> </div>You sure about the debit card? There's often less protection for debit card (v. credit card) victims, iirc.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I have done banking for over 6 years .you can put in a dispute with your cc company, or you bank if you used a debit card. and they will take care of the unauthorized  charges for you. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[darthboy posted : on a premium sports channel here, there're ads selling fancy ware like towels and extended warranties. Oddly, when i typed the names into google, the first few search results either showed "SCAM!!!" or duped buyers suggesting much cheaper alternatives. <br><br>If it's a legit company selling usable stuff, the first few search results would most likely be corporate info instead of "SCAM!"...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : Free Lunch (Way before Robert A. Heinlein's lifetime.)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_lunch" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_lunch</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>The phrase free lunch, in U. S. literature from about 1870 to 1920, refers to a tradition once common in saloons in many places in the United States. These establishments included a "free" lunch, varying from rudimentary to quite elaborate, with the purchase of at least one drink. These free lunches were typically worth far more than the price of a single drink.[1] The saloon-keeper relied on the expectation that most customers would buy more than one drink, and that the practice would build patronage for other times of day.<br><br>Sometimes, free food or drink is supplied today, often by gambling establishments.<br><br>The saying "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch", often abbeviated to TANSTAAFL, refers to this custom, meaning that things which appear to be free are always paid for in some way.<hr></blockquote><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>TANSTAAFL is an acronym for the adage "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" originating in the late 1930s and later popularized by science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein in his 1966 novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress<hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MGD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Russ Ptacek  :</small><br><br>Here's a story from Russ Ptacek at NBC Action News in Kansas City about the site and other sites that make big claims but could cost you a lot of money (along with links to truly free legitimate sites that the government operates):<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/investigative/story/Investigation-Shows-Free-Money-Isnt-So-Free/EcK0PWwLJU2GqyfKNJDmMA.cspx" >www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in&middot;&middot;&middot;mMA.cspx</A><br> </div>Excellent article Russ, and it deserves to be picked up and redistributed by the national media. <br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr> from Russ Ptacek's article:<br>..... We found claims suggesting people who enrolled in the Web sites got big money like $5,000 to fix up a home, or $2,800 to pay off medical bills, even $4,000 to pay down a mortgage.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>ref:&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/investigative/story/Investigation-Shows-Free-Money-Isnt-So-Free/EcK0PWwLJU2GqyfKNJDmMA.cspx" >www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in&middot;&middot;&middot;mMA.cspx</A><br><br>All of those statments that are quoted on the sites are made up and fraudulent, they are used to entice victims to sign up.<br><br>Here are even more exagerated fraudulent quotes that are served up while travelling around the scam website <b>neverpayitback.com</b><br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>"I Recieved A Check In My Hand For $100,000!"</b><br> <br> I found the grant I needed and filled out the forms and sent them in, and in about two weeks I received a check in my hand for $100,000. I am telling everyone I know about you all and what you have done for me!*<br>-- Carol K. <br><br> Get our FREE Grant Funding Kit!<br> Find the Grant that's right for you!<br> Receive your FREE MONEY!<br><br> I got the check in my hand for $150,000.*<br>Thank you again,<br>         -William Rivas <br><br>I just had $300,000 dollars <br>deposited into my bank account.<br>Thanks so much!*<br>         -Edwin Hurd <br><hr></blockquote><br><br>Followed by this totally false heading:<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b> ** Read about REAL PEOPLE who have recieved REAL MONEY! **</b>                            <br><br><b>Money To Pay Your Mortgage!*</b><br> <br>Thanks to Grant-A-Day my Wife and I were able to get a reprieve from foreclosure on our home. Like the Angels bringing the good news at Christmas-time you have given us a blessing, and a way to secure our home. We were about to lose our home to foreclosure. With your generous grant I was able to bring my payment up to date, and stop the foreclosure. It is great to know that there are organizations like yours that will give help to people like me and my wife who need it! <br>Delroy Stewart <br>  <br><br><b>Money To Pay Your Business Expenses!*</b><br> <br>Thank you so much for awarding me a $500 Grant from the Grant-A-Day program. I never thought I would be awarded and then there it came in the mail. I will be putting the grant money to good use to pay some debt I have incurred in start up of my Home-Based Business. This will enable me to be home for my family instead of working away from my home. This grant was truly an answer to my prayers. Thanks again, not just from me, but from my family! <br>Tamara Schaufler <br>  <br><br><b>Money To Buy Christmas Presents!*</b><br> <br>When applying for the grant I wasn't sure what to expect but to my delight and surprise a check came in the mail in a few weeks! I was able to bless a divorced mother of three with funds to pay her monthly bills in order to free up some of her cash to purchase a few Christmas presents for her children. These are truly great kids who's dad is on death row. It's very sad that the children of inmates, are more often than not, left with the many hardships. <br>Joyce Joseph <br>  <br><br><b>Money For A Mom To Pay For Emergency Expenses!*</b><br> <br>You have no idea how much that money helped out my family. Each one of my children now have a bed to sleep in. My Children have clothes that we all picked out together. My little girl is in a program with children that went through the same things. Every time I think about what you have done I cry. I have 4 children currently and two on the way. Its so hard doing it alone. This has helped us so much. You made me feel like a wonderful Mom.  <br>Na-tasha Lee <br>  <br><br><b>Money To Pay Your Education Expenses!*</b><br> <br>Thank you so much for the funding. I really appreciate it! With this $500 I can pay for my son's textbooks for the entire year at military school! I am a single parent paying my son's school tuition without any help from his father. My son is a very patriotic 8th grader that wants to be a part of the war against terrorism. He wants to be a helicopter pilot in the Marines or Air Force. Again, thank you for this funding. The Grant-A-Day program is a Godsend!!  <br>Claudette Robb Ross <br>  <br><br><b>Money To Fix Up Your Car!*</b><br> <br>I would like to thank you for accepting my grant for funding through THE GRANT-A-DAY PROGRAM. I am enclosing two different pictures of my 1997 Ford Ranger truck, which I spent most of the funding for brakes and to have the rotors repaired. I cannot thank you enough for your kindness, it is greatly appreciated. I am also sending a package to you at Grant-A-Day with an enclosed letter to show my appreciation! Thank you! <br>Sharon Ebert <br><hr></blockquote><br><br>These are fictitious, created as a ruse to entice victims into giving up their card data to <b>neverpayitback.com</b>.<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr> from Russ Ptacek's article:<br>... When our bill arrived, we were billed for the original $2.29, but we also got hit with recurring monthly bills on our credit card for $7.95, $39.95, and $9.95. <br><hr></blockquote><br><br>Ref:&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/investigative/story/Investigation-Shows-Free-Money-Isnt-So-Free/EcK0PWwLJU2GqyfKNJDmMA.cspx?p=3" >www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in&middot;&middot;&middot;cspx?p=3</A><br><br>Almost $60, and every month yet.<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr> from Russ Ptacek's article:<br>Consumer agencies and the Federal Trade Commission warn that many of the sites operate nearly identical alleged schemes that don't pay out what they promise.<br><br>"We recently conducted a &#145;sweep&#146; of con artists taking advantage of the &#145;economic crisis&#146;" says FTC spokesperson Elizabeth Lordan. "The sweep netted various types of scams, including grant scams."<br><br><b>Lordan said grant programs rank as of the highest categories of complaints received by FTC investigators.</b><br><hr></blockquote><br><br>While the FTC is doing a  great job of going after these scammers, civil action is futile. This epidemic of fraud will not stop multiplying until criminal chages are filed, and they end up behind bars. Only then will consumers begin to get some relief from this constant barage of fraud and deceit.<br><br>To support that belief, allow me to cite the case of one <b>Paul Navestad</b>. A quote above from Russ Ptacek's article includes this from the FTC:<br><br><b>"We recently conducted a &#145;sweep&#146; of con artists taking advantage of the &#145;economic crisis&#146;" says FTC spokesperson Elizabeth Lordan. "The sweep netted various types of scams, including grant scams.</b><br><br><b>Paul Navestad</b> was included in that latest "con artists sweep" listed this month by the FTC: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/07/shortchange.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/07/shortchange.shtm</A><br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><u>Cash Grant Institute</u> &#150; <b>Paul Navestad</b> aka Paul Richard; Global Ad Agency, Domain Leasing Company, and/or Global Advertising Agency; and Chintana Maspakorn aka Christina Maspakorn.<br><br>Cash Grant Institute, and its principals allegedly waged an automated robocall campaign promoting bogus claims that consumers were qualified for grant money from the government, private foundations, and wealthy individuals that they could use to overcome their financial problems. They made similar misleading claims about "free grant money" on their Web sites, cashgrantsearch.com and requestagrant.com. This case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>Even though the FTC has commenced the following actions:<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>July 1, 2009 <br>&#8226; Revised Temporary Restraining Order with Asset Freeze, Appointment of a Receiver, and Other Equitable Relief, with an Order to Show Cause Why a Preliminary Injunction Should Not Issue &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/090701navestadtro.pdf" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/&middot;&middot;&middot;dtro.pdf</A><br><br>&#8226; Complaint for Civil Penalties, Permanent Injunction, and Other Equitable Relief &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/090625navestadcmplt.pdf" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/&middot;&middot;&middot;mplt.pdf</A><br><hr></blockquote><br> Ref:&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/index.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923099/index.shtm</A><br><br>Unfortunately, with respect to <b>Paul Navestad</b>, the FTC's complaints for <b>Civil Penalties, Permanent Injunction, and Other Equitable Relief</b>, are nothing short of a joke. Mr. Navestad has been thumbing his nose at the FTC for over 13 years. Repeatedly ignoring multiple court orders to cease and desist, and  prohibiting him for being involved in any way with promoting these scams:<br><br>Some excerpts regarding Navestad from this post &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22645444-">Re: FTC Cracks Down on Scammers "Operation Short Change"</A> which is part of this thread:&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22645111-FTC-Cracks-Down-on-Scammers-Operation-Short-Change">FTC Cracks Down on Scammers "Operation Short Change"</A><br><br>From Circa 2002:<br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>FSN and <b>Navestad</b> were the targets of a case <b>brought in 1996</b> by the New York State Attorney General&#146;s Office which resulted in a settlement that <b>required them to cease their deceptive business practices. The company continued to deceive consumers,</b> however, by offering programs that claimed consumers were "pre-approved" for non-existent loans and grants.<br><br>Attorney General Spitzer&#146;s office brought a motion for <b>contempt in federal court</b> for the Western District of New York against FSN and <b>navestad for violating the prior court order.</b> At the same time, the FTC brought an action for violations of the Federal Trade Commission Act and Telemarketing Sales Rule.<br><br>The settlement <b>permanently bans FSN and navestad</b> from advertising, marketing, promoting, offering for sale or selling of any credit-related goods or services<br><br>"I would like to commend the Federal Trade Commission for its cooperation in bringing these cases to a conclusion. It is an excellent example of federal and state cooperation to fulfill our joint mission of protecting the public," Spitzer said.<br><br><hr></blockquote><br><br>The protection of the public may have lasted all of a few days. Navestad set up remote operations in Hong Kong, presumably keeping most of the funds offshore as well, in anticipation of any future actions. Mr. Navestad futher spit in the face of the civil court system by subsequently infiltrating and masquerading inside <b>Prosper</b>, the peer to peer lending network, soliciting victims for advance fee loans:<br><br><b>Paul Navestad</b> is the TOS violating subject of this circa 2007 memo from Prosper:<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Members of Fan received this email sometime this morning:<br><br>It has come to our attention that one of the group leaders on Prosper is subject to a Federal Trade Commission (FTC) settlement order that bans him and his related companies from advertising, marketing, promoting, offering for sale, or selling any credit-related goods or services, or assisting others engaged in the same activities. As a result, we have terminated the Prosper membership of the leaders of the following groups:<br><br> <b>FinancialAssistanceNetwork, MinorityAssistance.org, EmergencyAssistance.org, PayItForwardLoans.com, HR-Assistance.com, CreditCardAssistance.org,</b> and <b>FAN-Lenders-Alliance.</b><br><br>Existing funded loans in these groups will continue to be active loans on Prosper and existing listings from members of these groups will remain open. Prosper will assume leadership of these groups, but will not accept new members into these groups. We are not aware of any illegal activity in these groups on Prosper, or any irregularities with regard to any loans to members of these groups, but we are obligated to take this action in light of the FTC settlement order. As always, thank you for your support of Prosper. Sincerely, Prosper Security <br><br>This message was sent from Prosper based on your communication preferences. Edit your communication preferences. Copyright ? 2005-2006 Prosper Marketplace, Inc. All rights reserved. Prosper is located at 111 Sutter St., 22nd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94104 <br><hr></blockquote><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://prosperreport.appdesigns.com//threads/1/7/2/17259.0.HTM" >prosperreport.appdesigns.com//th&middot;&middot;&middot;59.0.HTM</A><br><br>So what is the point of repeated civil actions and court orders over a 15 year career.? Attention FTC, the only way to protect consumers from this type of incessant preying, is to involve the FBI, and bring federal criminal felony charges.<br><br>There are some serious questions about the ethics of the radio stations that carry these scam adds, as it enables a new pool of potential victims. However, they are not the only entity whose ethics should be questioned. Take note of an earlier quote from a previous post above <br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Web site publishers and ad networks are on the Federal Trade Commission's radar, but this time it's not for behavioral targeting or data privacy related concerns. <b>The FTC warned it is cracking down on misleading ads and e-mails promoting access to economic stimulus related grants, and the media firms enabling those ads.</b><br>....<br>Google is working with the FTC to investigate ads that violate its advertiser policies, according to the commission.<br>..<br>.<br>The FTC is asking "online media companies to monitor their sites for scam ads and get rid of them," said Eileen Harrington, acting director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, this morning during a press conference.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>Unfortunately, Google is not doing anything close to enough with respect to scam promotions. A current search will bring up multiple scam grant and loan Google sponsored adds.<br><br>In addition, lets add the banking system into this questionable ethics bhavior also. All of these scam promotions have merchant processing accounts attached to them. Based on the thousands of consumer complaints of these negative option billing charges, banks and merchant account providers have to know what is going on.<br><br>Any consumer who falls victim to these scams with their credit cards, should immediatly file dispute notices with their institution in accordance with their federal rights under the FCBA. Not only should they cite the negative option billing, but also reference the numerous FTC cases targeting these scams.<br><br>MGD]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MGD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by FBI :</small><br><br>The owner of this sick scam has been arrested last weekend!<br> </div>Somehow I doubt it....<br><br>You need to cough up a last name. <br><br>I have spent some considerable time tracking down the participants. All of these free loan & grant scams involve multiple players, with paid affiliates on the front lines, CPA advertisers / recruiters as the middlemen, and the originators hiding behind a healthy dose of obfuscation. Despite trails that lead to the Philippines and various states, the real perpetrators of this scam are based in Utah. Utah has become ground zero for many of these consumer scam operations, and has long ago earned the reputation as scammer friendly. In fact, on at least one occasion there has been the appearance that scammers can buy their way out of trouble. <br><br>Details to follow<br><br>MGD]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[K Patterson posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/180303" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=180303');">rzaruba</a>:</small><br><br> <br><br>Years ago, stations. magazines, etc., used to have codes of ethics for advertising.<br> </div>I worked in radio in those days.<br><br>An Everdry deodorant commercial:<br><br>He:  Dear, what kind of deodorant do you use?<br><br>She, Oh, I thought you would never ask!  I use Everdry Extradry, and on those special days . . .<br><br>Commercial gone.<br><br>I'm modern, I'm tolerant,  but there are a lot of ads I could do without.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : They replied with, "Thanks suckers, we have your money and are enjoying a long extended holiday overseas to prevent extradition. Good Luck."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : So have you received any response from the program or anything in return at all?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Whip posted : Just to expand on these points also, the terms will usually have the 'shipping' fee in numerixcal figures while the scam part of what you will be charged monthly by mystery sites is written out alphabetically so if you skim the terms for numbers, you won't find any. This is what goes on in the 'google money' scams.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rzaruba posted :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>My biggest questions is "Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"<hr></blockquote><br><br>Years ago, stations. magazines, etc., used to have codes of ethics for advertising.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rzaruba posted :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Or as Jean Shepherd used to say:<br><br>There is no "H" in that.....................................]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[prestonlewis posted : You didn't read the fine print that says:<br>1.  You'll be charged $1.95 for shipping on the product you are ordering (so they can get your credit card number).<br>2.  You'll be enrolled in several trial programs.<br>3.  After the 1 day trial period is over for the extra programs, you'll be charged:  $57 for the Grants360 program and $38 for another program.  These are montly charges.<br><br>Hold on to your wallet.  Pretty much ANY internet ad (or in this case radio ad that sends you to the internet) that asks for a very low $ for shipping usually has the fine print enrolling you in "clubs" with charges that will come in a few days.<br><br>You call to disenroll, they say they will, they don't and continue charging your credit card.  You'll end up having to cancel your credit card in order to stop the charges.  This same scam is found on the Google Money scam, Twitter Money scam and various other similar scams.<br><br>Always read the "terms" which will tell you what their scam is.  How do they get away with it?  Cause when you give them your credit card number, you state that you did read the terms which includes all the info they don't want you to know.  So legally they are not "stealing" your money since you agreed to the terms and they are following the terms.<br><br>You wouldn't give your credit card number to some known Russian or Chinese spam site would you?  Yet hundreds of people willingly give their card numbers to sites like grants360.com even though the owners or thought to be in the Phillipines, the 800 number is answered in the Phillipines, the card processor is Canadian, and the web site gives a corporate address in England.  No US connections at all so how can they be prosecuted?  Smart, isn't it.<br><br>Either you learn to read the fine print and be able to do some internet sleuthing or for God's sake, don't give out your credit card to anyone on the internet.  I always keep a VISA gift card on my desk just in case I do give out a card number to a site I'm not sure about.  My local drug store sells "Vanilla VISA Gift Cards" in several denominations.  I buy the $100 ones as needed.  You can go online at vanillavisa.com and set your name, address, and zip so you can use the gift card anywhere on line with the 3 digit verification number printed on the back.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Here's a story from Russ Ptacek at NBC Action News in Kansas City about the site and other sites that make big claims but could cost you a lot of money (along with links to truly free legitimate sites that the government operates):<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/investigative/story/Investigation-Shows-Free-Money-Isnt-So-Free/EcK0PWwLJU2GqyfKNJDmMA.cspx" >www.nbcactionnews.com/content/in&middot;&middot;&middot;mMA.cspx</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NormanS posted : "Bingo?" What checks out? That they charge money for free information? What if somebody doesn't use Google?<br><br>The first link not listed as "sponsored" (different search than Google) was the Privacy Policy link for the "Neverpayitback" site. Basically states that they may share any personally identifying information that they collect.<br><br>The second link not listed as "sponsored" is a "Yahoo! Answers" link which basically reiterates most of what is being posted here; that "Neverpayitback" charges an exorbitant fee for information which can be had free elsewhere.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : When I looked for The same site, everything checked out OK for me. I used Google and clicked on the first site, and Bingo! :)  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chickenbig posted : a friend told me i should check this site out.  I was at someone's house and found this neverpayitback.com in their browser recent history.  i went to the site and it just looked "too good to be true".....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rzaruba posted : "Why are the radio stations allowed to run the ads without warnings?"<br><br>Because they don't care.<br><br>I can only listen to WOR here in the NY area for a few minutes every morning before I get sick.<br><br>It used to be a flagship station, now virtually every ad is for a scam or quack remedy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I genuinely feel for people who are in such economic strain they experience a glimmer of hope when they hear an ad like this.  I myself was laid off and have been jobless for almost two months.  BUT....free money?  never pay it pack?  get a grant from the government without having a legitimate, competitive use for the grant money?  Grants are for researchers and non-profit difference-makers.  You don't just get a lovely little $2500 grant because lawks a mercy, you sho' nuff do need the money!  Come on now.  If there are funds someone can't get from filing unemployment claims, what in the world would make them think that there are mysterious grants from 'philanthropists' that are advertised over am/fm airwaves.  lol.  Honestly...  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I heard the commercial a couple of times today on WLAC radio 1510 am in Nashville.  Millions to give away?  No charge, never pay it back?  Come on.  Everyone should know it's a scam.  Shame on WLAC radio for not checking out their advertisers!! But, I guess they are experiencing economic difficulties as well and will advertise for anyone who pays...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I had just given my information to this website and looked at the fine print.  They will charge your credit card $40/month after the seven day trial offer.  Plus another $20 to a sister site/program.  I called the customer service number to cancell right away.  We shall see if they really cancelled.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fireflier posted : You've about covered it.  I almost find it difficult to listen to radio anymore because I hear so much of this horse sh!t I just get angry when the commercials run. <br><small>--<br>Tradition: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. --despair.com</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fireflier posted : I've wondered the same thing.  I don't expect radio stations to be cops or Private Investigators, but for crying out loud, some of the commercials I hear could only be considered legitimate by a moron.  Looks to me like the radio stations don't care if it is a scam as long as they're getting the ad revenue.  :uhh:<br><small>--<br>Tradition: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. --despair.com</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Whip posted :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>It is definitely a scam. I entered the first name "Chuck", and the email address..... charlesmanson@folsomprison.gov (Not where he's really located, but what the heck.....) and guess what???? I QUALIFIED!!!! I did read the terms and conditions, and not only is there the talk of the recurring fee, but check this out......<br><br>This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Philippines , without regard to its conflict of laws rules. Any legal action arising out of this Agreement shall be litigated and enforced under the laws of the Philippines.<br><br>In addition, you agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the courts of the Philippines, and that any legal action pursued by you shall be within the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of the Philippines in Pasig City, Philippines.<br><br>The terms constituting this offering are set forth in writing on this Web site. You hereby agree to submit to the jurisdiction located in Pasig City, Philippines to resolve any disputes or litigation hereunder. Whether or not you choose to print this offering, containing the terms and conditions as described herein, you agree that this contract constitutes a writing.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://scam.com/showthread.php?p=778392#post778392" >scam.com/showthread.php?p=778392#post778392</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:13:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : If it's too good to be true then it usually is. It's understandable given the economic times that we live in but organizations that give money away for nothing do so without having to advertise on the radio. Any time that someone asks for any kind of financial / personal information turn around and run...Live in Northern California and just did hear the commercial this a.m. Thought I'd check it out like I always do when something like this (radio / phone / newspaper) runs a blurb and this is usually the way that it ends up, a scam. I'm sorry for the people that have had troubles with this. If I could help I would but I've been unemployed for almost two years now and yes it sucks!! <br><br>I did give a couple of guys and their dog who were sitting at the exit of an in-n-out burger $20 last week for food for themselves and their dog (they did tell me that their pet comes first) and I wished I could have done more (thankfully my wife has a decent job but we're still feeling the effects of me not working) for them.<br><br>I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all have to be careful in this day and age. It just takes a tragedy / personal grieve for the criminals to come out of the woodwork. It's scum like this that makes it hard for good people to trust each other. <br><br>And with that I'm done. I wish you all well!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:58:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Bravo 2 all that caught the scam presented on radios through out the country.  if this was a true ad they would not ask for financial info,rather send you a true form 2 fill out and send 2 a legitimate office. so i whole heartedly agree this is a 100% scam  these people that prey on people in todays time and economy need 2 b punished]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:18:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[NormanS posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/328710" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=328710');">egecko</a>:</small><br><br>My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.<br> </div>Your teacher was clearly a Robert A. Heinlein (science fiction author) fan. That is a variation on a quote from Heinlein's, <i>The Moon is a Harsh Mistress</i>: "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" (rendered as, "TANSTAAFL").<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:50:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I heard the 'Never Pay it Back' ad on a radio station in NC. You would think that radio stations would be more selective about the information that is being broadcasted.  The same goes for TV stations.  This is an indication of how far people will go to get money.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MGD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1163538" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163538');">captokita</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/666842" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=666842');">MGD</a>:</small><br><br>You should contact your local media who are accepting commercials from these scammers and complain. In fact in this case they could become a party to a potnetial class action:<br> </div>Doubt they would be liable - no more so than a tv station plays the "Make millions selling ads" commercials. <br>..<br>.<br> </div>Yes, that is true, and I doubt they could be held liable either. However the FTC is now putting pressure on other media outlets for allowing blatant scam adds, and unless TV and Radio media clean up their act, I can see some regulations being enacted.<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>FTC to Web Publishers: Get Rid of Stimulus Scam Ads</b><br><br><small>By Kate Kaye, ClickZ, Mar 4, 2009</small><br><br>Web site publishers and ad networks are on the Federal Trade Commission's radar, but this time it's not for behavioral targeting or data privacy related concerns. The FTC warned it is cracking down on misleading ads and e-mails promoting access to economic stimulus related grants, and the media firms enabling those ads. Some of the scams are promoted through display ads featuring photos of President Obama, Google sponsored listings featuring the president's name, or sites displaying his 2008 campaign logo or logos of popular news outlets. <br><br>Facebook has already agreed to ban such ads, and Google is working with the FTC to investigate ads that violate its advertiser policies, according to the commission. <br><br>The FTC is asking "online media companies to monitor their sites for scam ads and get rid of them," said Eileen Harrington, acting director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, this morning during a press conference. <br><br>.....<br>..<br>.<br>"Our AdWords Content Policy does not permit ads for sites that make false claims, and we investigate and remove any ads that violate our policies," said Google in a statement e-mailed to ClickZ News. "We have discussed these issues with the Federal Trade Commission and reaffirmed our commitment to protecting users from scam ads." <br><br>Facebook has agreed to ban stimulus-related scam ads from its site. "Ads touting free stimulus money were on Facebook," said Harrington, who said the company pulled the ads on its own volition, and following conversations with the FTC. "We absolutely salute Facebook for being so proactive in this regard," she added. <br><br>But it may not be easy for publishers and ad sellers to rid the Web of such nefarious advertising. Exactly who's behind such ads is difficult to determine. Many lead to domains that differ from the ones featured in the ad copy, and transfer from one domain to another. For instance, ObamaStimulusPlan.info features news headlines and links to economic stimulus information, and an ad promoting "free money in government grants," which leads the user to a site associated with Grant Stimulus Source; the site also features CNN and CNBC logos. <br>............<br>...<br>.<br><hr></blockquote><br>Ref: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.clickz.com/3633002" >www.clickz.com/3633002</A><br><br>MGD]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:37:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[captokita posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/666842" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=666842');">MGD</a>:</small><br><br>You should contact your local media who are accepting commercials from these scammers and complain. In fact in this case they could become a party to a potnetial class action:<br> </div>Doubt they would be liable - no more so than a tv station plays the "Make millions selling ads" commercials. <br><br>But that wouldn't stop someone from trying of course.  :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:10:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:19:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nwrickert posted : <div class="bquote">My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.<br> </div>That's a good principle to remember.<br><br>I am quite amazed by the number of obvious scams that I hear advertised on the radio.  It seems that there are no longer any standards.  Is fraud the only growth industry left in America?<br><small>--<br>AT&T dsl; Speedstream 5100b modem; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.11</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:36:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[egecko posted : HA! sorry, but people that don't research before submitting information where they get something for free that's advertised on the radio should know better. Especially when they are asked for financial information to where they will be charged a small fee for information! I've heard the commercial plenty of times and of course decided to read all of the disclaimers, privacy and other notices on the website to see what it's all about. After reading them, it still didn't really make sense to me so I searched for reviews and found several. <br><br>My high school government teacher would say "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" and I have always remembered this phrase and followed it when things like this have come up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:30:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MGD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by cheryllj :</small><br><br>Re: [Scam] Never Pay it Back .com </div>FYI, the subject title NeverPayitBack.com is also discussed in this thread: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22567771-Scam-Federal-Funds-Administration">[Scam] Federal Funds Administration</A> and is part of this group:  <br><br>Federalfundsadministration.com <br>Nevergiveitback.com <br>Neverpayitback.com <br><br>MGD]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:33:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nwrickert posted : <div class="bquote">I don't know about you, but I don't think there are any legitimate ads on radio any more.</div>There are still a few, but the quantity of outright scams being pushed on the radio is distressingly high.<br><small>--<br>AT&T dsl; Speedstream 5100b modem; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.11</small>]]></description>
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