Topic 'Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West!' in forum 'Verizon FIOS TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22622697 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:29:40 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:29:40 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22653609 said by siersema:

Having an East and West coast feed does make sense when you find a conflict of three shows to record at the same time. With the West coast feed, you can move forward or backward to East coast feed to record the show not in conflict with others.
sure there will be conflicts but movies on all premium channels air multiple times in a given month. dont u rather the bandwith be dedicated to unique content rather than a time shifted movie channel? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22653609 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:17:50 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22651553 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22651553 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:07:50 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22649221 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22649221 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:15:11 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22646100 said by VZ Mark :

Starz shows old movies...Just to clear the air, Starz has four original series--Crash, Party Down, Head Case, and new series Hollywood Residential--and first-run rights to all Disney and Sony Entertainment films. It's not just "old movies."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22646100 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:34:59 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22645649
Any word if FiOS has ordered and or will installing the equipment soon?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22645649 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:03:04 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22645258
This might seem like a tangent but linear content in general is on the decline. Just showing movies will get you a declining amount of viewers in the long run. This is why HBO has gone to such great lengths (and expense) to add original content and whey they are a must have for almost every household. Entourage starts up again on 7/12 @ 10:30 EST and I'm sure folks on the West Coast will tune in @ 7:30 in droves! That would never happen with Starz HD/SD. This is also the reason why HBO is on a different tier from Starz because VZ pays more for HBO so they charge more.

Movie companies have even toyed with the idea of 'Mass Openings' where a movie would be available on DVD, online and in theaters on the same DAY! This is being considered to thwart piracy and with good reason. I can go to NYC and trip over street vendors selling DVD's of "Transformers". The online format would not be a problem for VZ customers due to that big pipe we know about. Netflix already offers movies online, no mailing DVD's back and forth. The biggest drawback would be the damage done to movie theaters themselves, we shall see.

Finally, not to beat a dead horse, but I happen to be privy to the numbers and HD's cost over 10x as much as SD's and contracts are signed based on who the players are. HBO could demand that VZ (or anyone else) carry both where Starz doesn't have that kind of moxy. Ask yourself if you were running the store wouldn't you be a little more considerate of all of the factors? Like I said earlier, diminishing returns, you might personally be thrilled but most others wouldn't even notice or care...

Didn't mean to piss you off, enjoy your 4th!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22645258 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:45:42 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644530 said by VZ Mark:

See my response about the content on these channels above (HBO vs. Starz) and one HD is equal to somewhere between 6-8 SD's so there is a very different business model used in deciding whether to add an SD or HD.

Most of the movies on Starz are already on VZ's VOD library and that library is expanding as I type this. I agree with you that the more HD the better. But one can make the argument that a West feed isn't really more content but just time shifted content. It might seem out of place but contracts sometimes dictate what VZ must carry and in other cases it is as their discretion.

I subscribe to all the channels and I get them for free where I work...
All I can say is if Verizon signed a contract that said they can only carry west in the western time zones and eastern in the eastern time zones they are idiots. U-verse, DirecTV, and Dish Network all have east and west of the flagship Starz in HD. It would be in the benefit of Starz anyway if they aired that extra channel in HD on FIOS. Why would they prohibit it? That would be crazy. If I was sitting down to pick just one premium channel I would certainly take into consideration, "well this one has 4 HD channels" or "well this one has 5 HD channels." Having five looks better and Starz would have nothing to lose allowing it. They wouldn't block it. If they blocked it, they'd block the SD version too. This argument is getting old. It really doesn't matter that an HD channel takes up 8 times as much bandwidth as an SD channel. Bandwidth is NOT the issue here.

I firmly believe it is laziness at FIOS. Or maybe they just don't know that we desire the channel. Maybe they think we don't notice not having it. Probably most customers don't even notice it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644530 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:27:15 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644504 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644504 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:23:58 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644483
Most of the movies on Starz are already on VZ's VOD library and that library is expanding as I type this. I agree with you that the more HD the better. But one can make the argument that a West feed isn't really more content but just time shifted content. It might seem out of place but contracts sometimes dictate what VZ must carry and in other cases it is as their discretion.

I subscribe to all the channels and I get them for free where I work... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644483 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:19:06 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644462 said by appleman102:

Its a disgrace on both parties and a sign of corporate laziness.
Agreed. I think it is heavily laziness on FIOS part and probably Starz too to some degree. It is NOT a bandwidth issue. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644462 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:16:21 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644449 said by VZ Mark:

With HBO and content like the Sopranos, Entourage, True Blood etc.. Showtime also has original programming and I'm not sure about Cinemax but I know sometimes these are tied in as contractual obligations...Starz shows old movies...
Starz doesn't just show old movies. They have deals too with Hollywood studios for new stuff. Showtime is actually at risk of losing all but one of their deals with Hollywood because of Epix. Starz is in a good place movie wise.

I honestly don't think it is in the FIOS contract not to carry the West feed of Starz. If it was they wouldn't carry the SD version and other providers get e/w in HD. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644449 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:15:14 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644446 said by VZ Mark:

I understand BW very well but I think you're missing my point. This is a case of 'diminishing returns' in adding a West HD channel in the East that's simply three hours behind the East feed and otherwise has identical content. I am fully aware of SDV and the reasons why Fiber to the node companies have had to deploy it. We are now in an era of 'time shifted' content and I can tell you that I almost never watch live TV unless it's a sporting event. If there's something on Starz HD that you must see (I find this hard to fathom) set your Tivo or DVR to record it an watch it whenever you want. Eventually, adding the West HD feeds in the East and vice-versa will take away VZ's ability to add another HD channel that actually carries unique content. VZ can add the second HD feed everywhere but they choose not to and I agree with this approach...BTW, I drink my water out of a Poland Spring bottle! LOL
Ugh, you WOULD drink your water out of a poland spring bottle.

Starz HD West would be a MUCH welcomed addition to everyones channel lineup...it would offer:

*a more convenient method for watching Starz HD content
*the completion of a set (all HD premiums available)
*one more choice when browsing the HD premiums
*an increase in respect for FiOS (otherwise Verizon may be viewed as incompetent)
*continued momentum forward (having holes in your lineup like this tends to spread and infect the rest of the lineup)

Bottom line-- there is a contract in place, it says "Hey Verizon, its Starz....you can have your Starz HD, Starz Edge HD, Starz Kids and Family HD, Starz Comedy HD and Encore HD".....ALL that needs to be done is for a verizon person to call a Starz person higherup and say "can we revise this contract to add Starz HD West? We can pay you another 1/10 a cent per subscriber"

Its a disgrace on both parties and a sign of corporate laziness. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644446 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:11:41 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644437 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644437 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:10:55 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644434 said by VZ Mark:

I understand BW very well but I think you're missing my point. This is a case of 'diminishing returns' in adding a West HD channel in the East that's simply three hours behind the East feed and otherwise has identical content. I am fully aware of SDV and the reasons why Fiber to the node companies have had to deploy it. We are now in an era of 'time shifted' content and I can tell you that I almost never watch live TV unless it's a sporting event. If there's something on Starz HD that you must see (I find this hard to fathom) set your Tivo or DVR to record it an watch it whenever you want. Eventually, adding the West HD feeds in the East and vice-versa will take away VZ's ability to add another HD channel that actually carries unique content. VZ can add the second HD feed everywhere but they choose not to and I agree with this approach...BTW, I drink my water out of a Poland Spring bottle! LOL
Again... why carry Starz West SD then? It is standard practice to carry the east and west feeds of the premium channels when bandwidth is available.

And dude, I have 4 DVRs in my house, I can time shift like the next guy and have been since I was first able to get a DVR. That isn't the point.

Sometimes I sit down and watch movies by means of flipping. I do no planning. I have a long day at work. I sit down and just turn on the TV. I go to my favorites guide which includes HD versions if available. The standard is that I jump to around 850 (Encore) and then look at Starz and work my way through the HBO and Max channels to find a movie. Two rules: It is on one of the HD channels and something that looks interesting. It doesn't matter if Starz West is three hours behind if I am just sitting down to watch a movie. I wasn't watching TV 3 hours ago and cannot watch whatever is playing on Starz West in HD.

Why do you even care? Are you playing Devil's advocate? Why on earth are you defending them not adding it? Maybe you don't subscribe to the Movie Pack or Starz and to you it is a waste.

The rest of us want it.

Bandwidth is NOT an issue. Even if it was they could easily add circuits and fix it. It isn't an issue like cable. They do not have to be selective. Does anybody actually watch the .TV channels? If bandwidth were an issue, those would be the channels I'd be voicing my opinion about wasting bandwidth. Certainly not Starz West.

It is just out of place that they don't have it.

Somebody else said it may be in the agreement not to carry east or west in opposite time zones. I don't think that is the case at all. Many other providers carry both east and west of Starz HD. DirecTV and Dish Network do as well as some cable companies. U-Verse does.

It is just foolish. Add it. Those of us wanting this channel would deprive no other customer of anything. So why counter are argument to add it? You people that say they shouldn't add it are just being Devil's Advocates or don't have the extra money to subscribe to the $30 movie package and there may be some jealousy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644434 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:10:54 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644404 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644404 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:05:28 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644393 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644393 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:03:15 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644356 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644356 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:55:41 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644331 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22644331 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:51:15 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643949 said by JeepMatt:

Did anyone ever take a second to think that maybe the agreement with Starz calls for each region to only receive ONE main feed?
Well, does it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643949 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:44:05 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643912
LOL - this thread is hilarious watching you all bitch over a west coast / east coast feed.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643912 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:35:30 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643692 said by chitchatjf:

said by VZ Mark:

BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours...
If you are not going to bother carrying Starz West HD,then why bother carrying Starz West SD?
All it would take is the addition of Starz West HD and in this moment in time Verizon could say, "We are the ONLY television provider in the United States that carries all available premium channels in HD."

Nobody else can make this claim. Even U-Verse is missing more of the western feeds. Obviously the cable companies and satellite don't have anywhere near all the HBO/MAX/SHO/TMC channels in HD.

FIOS adds 1 channel they arleady have the rights to carry and they have some serious bragging rights.

For me it is just a huge annoying empty slot that draws my eye when I look at the lineup.

My 90 year old grandmother looked at the PDF for like 30 seconds and said, "Why no Starz West HD?" She doesn't even own or watch TV!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643692 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:45:04 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643670 said by appleman102:

yes, I find the lack of Starz HD west to be offensive.
Umm...what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643670 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:27:58 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643560 said by VZ Mark:

BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours...
If you are not going to bother carrying Starz West HD,then why bother carrying Starz West SD?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643560 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:33:06 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643209 said by FiOSinVA :

said by VZ Mark:

DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead?
By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers?

It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time!
HEY...I like Fitness Beauties in HD! ^_^]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22643209 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:16:15 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22642801
Its very annoying, they have the bandwith...they have the contract...just do a little leg work and add the damn channel.

And yes, Flix and the rest of the sho's (family zone, women etc.) along with their west feeds NEED to happen! The core work has already been done for showtime...they just need to finish up!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22642801 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:42:18 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22641747 said by VZ Mark:

BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours...
I think you are misunderstanding what we are talking about as far as bandwidth. There is a difference between bandwidth between Verizon's network and your house and Internet bandwidth. We are talking about Verizon's network, not Internet bandwidth.

Look at it like this. Old cable company networks that do not have fiber to your box have in most cases hit the maximum amount of capacity for channels. They couldn't add more channels because they ran out of bandwidth to carry more. This has NOTHING to do with Internet bandwidth. Some cable companies have implemented solutions like SDV (Switched digital). This allows for more channels because certain channels are not fed to everyone's house if they are not being watched. The standard cable design has all channels on the network being fed to your house at all times. If nobody is watching Ovation for example in a neighborhood of 500 houses, they don't feed it to that part of the network with SDV. They only feed channels that are being watched. Not all channels are run via SDV, but the channels that are don't feed in until these are utilized. THis allows more channels on the same wiring.

Let's move on over to FIOS. FIOS built their network with fiber right up to your ONT. This allows for way more bandwidth for more channels to your household than traditional cable networks. I'm not saying their IP design over FIOS is without flaws, because there are some. But the FACT is, they have far more bandwidth than they are utilizing. Yes, there are bottlenecks in some markets, but they are not limited to the current amount of channels in any market. They have bandwidth to add channels. Not Internet bandwidth. That isn't the same thing.

Look at it like a city water pipe. Let's say that the city water pipe is feeding each house with 5 gallons a minute. They have the capacity to feed each house with 10 gallons a minute but they are only feeding you with 5 gallons a minute. In this case, FIOS is that city water pipe. They can EASILY add Starz west HD and have plenty of bandwidth to do so.

Let's take the neighboring town. They too are running at 5 gallons a minute. The difference here is that they are maxed out with pipes that can only handle 5 gallons a minute. They are the traditional cable company. Full to capacity. They cannot increase to 6 gallons a minute. They have no space to add HD channels. FIOS DOES.

Add Starz HD west ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22641747 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:47:54 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22641130 said by VZ Mark:

BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours...
IMO, your argument holds no water while there is still plenty of bandwidth available. My understanding is that VZ could comfortably add all the HD channels currently available.

And if your argument is valid, why do they carry all the other east and west coast feeds of the premium movie channels?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22641130 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:45:00 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22640778 said by skottey_ :

I cannot believe some of you folks. First off, carrying an east and west feed is NOT artificially inflating numbers. Again, if I sit down and turn on my TV, HBO HD east and HBO HD west are airing two different programs. HBO E/W counts for TWO channels, not one. There is nothing inflated about it. That is foolish to think it is inflated.

Secondly, FIOS is not running out of bandwidth.
No, I agree with you completely. I want every HD channel that's out there, and for premiums that means East and West feeds in most cases.

Verizon's premium channel package is bar none the best among all providers. Whatever happened with the Showtime channels, I hope Verizon adds every last one when they finally light up.

Personally, I'm not all that bothered by the Starz West ordeal. Verizon doesn't need to add that one West feed until Starz is offering more West feeds for its channels.

I was just disputing this contention that E/W channels are mostly fluff and that somehow Verizon's not in the business of burning up bandwidth on such fluff. DirecTV and Dish are certainly guilty of inflating their numbers, but they barely offer any of the premium multiplex channels, let alone independent West feeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22640778 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:48:15 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639819 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639819 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:35:30 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639652 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639652 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:05:30 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639527 said by VZ Mark:

The SD uses less than 4M of BW while the HD uses almost 20M of BW. You have to be more selective about what HD's are carried...
Why, does FiOS have bandwidth problems? No, they don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22639527 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:41:13 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22638438 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22638438 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:08:56 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22638421 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22638421 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:58:56 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22637203 said by FiOSinVA :

said by VZ Mark:

DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead?
By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers?

It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time!
I cannot believe some of you folks. First off, carrying an east and west feed is NOT artificially inflating numbers. Again, if I sit down and turn on my TV, HBO HD east and HBO HD west are airing two different programs. HBO E/W counts for TWO channels, not one. There is nothing inflated about it. That is foolish to think it is inflated.

Secondly, FIOS is not running out of bandwidth. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22637203 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:02:51 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636504 said by VZ Mark:

DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead?
By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers?

It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636504 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:26:16 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636407 said by ravensfan55:

Is it really necessary for Verizon to carry it for "bragging rights". The channel is just a 3 hour time delay of the East feed, shows all the same movies.
Every week or so this thread is started and somebody says "it is just delayed 3 hours."

I'll give the same broken record response I always do....

1- It is an annoyance that we have EVERY OTHER PREMIUM except that one. It just doesn't make sense that we don't have it. They have the rights to carry it.

2- I largely use the premiums as "flip and watch," meaning, if I am in the mood to watch a hidden gem, I flip through the premiums and find undiscovered movies that I never knew about. Things I wouldn't buy on DVD or Bluray, often things I have never heard of. If I am flipping, 50 choices are better than 49 choices. It doesn't matter if it is 3 hours behind. When I sit down at 5:47PM I am watching what is currently on. Yes, if I am planning my recordings it isn't a big deal, but if I am just flipping, it is a big deal. Again, bandwidth is NOT an issue.

Why do you even care if other people want it? Why not just say "the more HD the better!"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636407 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:09:24 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636328 said by VZ Mark:

VZ does carry Starz West but only in the West VHO's so it's not an issue with a contract agreement but a decision to not carry both the East and West in the same market...
If you have ch 341 (Starz West SD) nationwide then it should only be logical to offer channel 841 as well!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22636328 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:44:34 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635570 said by matcarl:

But, Cablevision has been adding a lot we don't have.
CV has a lot fios doesnt have and fios has a lot CV doesn't have. one company cant be everything to everyone matcarl.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635570 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:16:17 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635390 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635390 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:34:48 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635341
I'd say FiOS customers have the upperhand in this. Plus the signal isn't downgraded like on Cablevision.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22635341 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:24:25 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22634530 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22634530 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:08:47 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22629530 said by Vamp9190:

Don't you have 2 tuners though?Yes, but sometimes things get kinda crowded. I am in the habit of recording everything I watch, even if I only to give it a 20-30 minute head start. On longer sporting events or shows with many commercials, I look like an even bigger idiot than usual when the recording catches up to live TV and I'm pointing the remote in all kinds of weird angles trying to get the fast-forward to work before I realize it. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22629530 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:27:47 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22629450
I do see your point, VZ should get as many HDs as possible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22629450 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:13:09 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628817 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628817 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:25:38 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628345
While this in not critical, as I can scan ahead and find the same movies playing in the morning sometime during the week, it's just convenient having another option. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628345 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:59:54 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628002 said by Greg2600:

I'd rather have any number of regular cable channels in HD than Starz West. Especially since Starz has such a minute movie library, you've probably seen whatever is on Starz 50 times already in the last week.
It's not like they have bandwidth problems and have to choose one or the other. VZ should add STARZ West HD and add other HD cable channels as they reach agreements to carry them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22628002 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:57:29 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627696 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627696 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:06:04 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627590 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627590 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:51:51 EDT Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627167 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cablevision-has-STARZ-HD-West-22627167 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:13:33 EDT Starz HD West http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Starz-HD-West-22626966
Especially now that they have their own series. It's much easier to DVR True Blood or Weeds from the HD West channel, once all of the broadcast network shows are over. Perhaps that's only relevant for eastern/central timezone people?

Of course Starz doesn't provide as many HD & West channels as HBO/Cinemax but what they do offer should be on FiOS. Also not sure why MoviePlex isn't on FiOS but not too concerned with SD channels...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Starz-HD-West-22626966 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:46:12 EDT