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Re: When will HD be the standard?
said by BF69  :Sorry I don't see anything on there that I don't want. Is there some major channel that is missing? When you say the SD packages have more channels which ones specifically. MANNY MANY MANY.... again has finally tipped the 50% point but stilll many many, where if I took DISH's Turbo HD I would be missing a lot.
Secondary PBS here is still SD ONLY AND NOT CROPPING IT AS THE HD PBS IS.
Well lets see others....
Documentary Channel
FSTV
RFD-TV (1 show of interest Trains and Locomotives)
NAUS
Not sure how they are handling NASA, HD is available not seen them list it.
TRUE TV, again 1 show a week.
SLUETH
Chiller
Ovation
BBCA I don't think is yet either
IFC might be but don;t think so.
GAME I don't think is, since most programing is SD... love old PASSWORD.
I mean yes unless ALL you asre interested in is the mainstream clap trap crap.
Other than PBS there are like 3 shows a week I watch on broacast networks.
Since it virtually all now NOT Reality cheap to make BS drivil.
And actually the probably better way to ask the question of this thread, is not when everything with be HD, but when will the surcharges and needless duplication end?
Like thing like GAME that deal with virtually total SD programming, there is no rush for them to ever be HD.
But again when will the surcharging for HD end.... just as eventually no one now pays for touch tone dialing anymore.
And with Vonage, Majic Jack, Cable VOIP, all inclusive cell and other competitors very likely the LECS, willl be dropping charges for Call Waithing, Caller ID and all that nonsense too very soon, just as they did long barely a decade ago with touch Tone dialing..
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said by Hayward :said by BF69 :said by wings10 :So it seems HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade. Dish Network has a HD only service. It's most expensive package is $50 a month regular price. Plus $5 for locals. » dishnetwork.com/turbohd/programm···ult.aspx And that is simply because rapidly getting much better diversity it is still only about half the channels that are HD vs the two top SD packages. Sorry I don't see anything on there that I don't want. Is there some major channel that is missing? When you say the SD packages have more channels which ones specifically.
Most of those extra channels are either music channels, as in Sirius type channels( who cares ). Or regional sports networks( once again who cares ). These seem to make up nearly 60% of those 200 channels on the $48 America's Top 200 package.
There might be a few channels misisng. Most of which I don't care about. Plus I'm sure they'll get added later. The fact is I shouldn't HAVE to buy a SD package just to be able to get the HD package if that's all I want. And Dish is doing it right( or at least better ) |
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said by BF69 :said by wings10 :So it seems HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade. Dish Network has a HD only service. It's most expensive package is $50 a month regular price. Plus $5 for locals. » dishnetwork.com/turbohd/programm···ult.aspx And that is simply because rapidly getting much better diversity it is still only about half the channels that are HD vs the two top SD packages.
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said by wings10 :So it seems HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade. Dish Network has a HD only service. It's most expensive package is $50 a month regular price. Plus $5 for locals.
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said by tschmidt :said by wings10 :HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade. It is really more a marketing issue then a technical one. As long as customers are willing to pay extra for HD vendors will charge extra. /tom That makes sense.
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said by wings10 :HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade. It is really more a marketing issue then a technical one. As long as customers are willing to pay extra for HD vendors will charge extra.
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So it seems HD content with the exception of free OTA broadcasts will remain a paid premium service for at least another decade.
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said by tschmidt :said by Greg_Z : Doubtful that for some time that you will start to see 1080p as a standard for CATV, but maybe for Satellite. 1080p is not part of the HD broadcast standard because it will not fit into a 20 Mbps data stream. I agree 1080p or even higher is the long term holy grail but it only helps those with very large displays and at present represents unacceptably high bandwidth requirements. /tom 1080p broadcast would use mostif not all of the entire 6 MHz of a channel. Which is the problem with analog. So that would mean no subchannels. |
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said by Greg_Z : Doubtful that for some time that you will start to see 1080p as a standard for CATV, but maybe for Satellite. 1080p is not part of the HD broadcast standard because it will not fit into a 20 Mbps data stream. I agree 1080p or even higher is the long term holy grail but it only helps those with very large displays and at present represents unacceptably high bandwidth requirements.
More background on 1080p:
»www.tvtechnology.com/article/71444
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said by Greg_Z :It never will. So even in 100 years people will still watch TV in 480i?
yea ok. 
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said by wings10 :So they are using the same equipment and then ether up converting or down converting? Correct, at the studio filming is done in either SD or HD format. It would be too cumbersome and expensive to have two sets of cameras. Assuming show is filmed in HD it is converted to SD.
Broadcast stations are able to simulcast multiple digital programs for free because they can fit both HD and SD program into a single digital OTA channel.
For Cable it is a different issue. They prefer to carry as many different programs as possible, not different versions of the same program. They have a limited amount of bandwidth. Ideally they would like to get rid of analog completely. In fact I think some MSOs have already done that. Some are looking at giving customers of basic cable a cable ready set top box that works much like the OTA converter box. It converts unencrypted QAM to analog SD NTSC. The converter box is cheap and prevents a lot of complaints by basic cable customers. I use OTA so am not really up on Cable industry.
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It never will. There will always be broadcasts @ 480i/480p/580i 4:3, and there will always be broadcasts @ 720p/1080i 16:9. Doubtful that for some time that you will start to see 1080p as a standard for CATV, but maybe for Satellite.
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said by wings10 :At some point be it 10, 30, 50 years from now will all transmission be 1080 or even higher and anything lower not exist? Possibly, once it becomes more cost effective for all of the studios and production facilities to stop repairing old ED equipment and purchase new / used HD equipment.
Believe it or not, some facilities are still using tube-based cameras. |
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I will phrase it this way.
When will broadcast, cable, Satellite etc stop all transmission in SD, 480i?
At some point be it 10, 30, 50 years from now will all transmission be 1080 or even higher and anything lower not exist?
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And that is 580i resolution, 4:3. |
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said by Greg_Z : As for the anon ktus's comment, HD is High Definition, what did you thing that it stood for? As for SD, it stands for Standard Definition, or 4:3 480i/480p/580i. Well you are a little iverbord there to while technically ED, SD EQIPMENT can do up to 700x525.
Why SD DVD generally look bette rthan broadcast SD, even cabe or not digital channels.... because it is 700 horiz.
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So they are using the same equipment and then ether up converting or down converting?
And using one camera like on the network news?
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In order for someone to get the HD feed in 4:3 feed, they would have to have a HD capable box, but hooked up via Component, S-Video, or Composite. If not on a SD only box, they will only get sound. Both SD & HD feeds will be around for a long time, until HD 16:9 becomes the norm. As for the anon ktus's comment, HD is High Definition, what did you thing that it stood for? As for SD, it stands for Standard Definition, or 4:3 480i/480p/580i.
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I think they need to give everybody with cable or dish boxes that can get both sd and hd as a standard. Makes upgrading easy. I will use my provider as an example. Take all the rarely watched analog channels and put it digital. My area kinda does that already. take channels like Nick, a&e, fx, all the news channels, and the others that hd's and remove the analog sd feed and replace it with the hd feeds. That way, when i tune in 46 Nick, i get Nick HD and if someone with a sd tv tunes in to 46, they get Nick HD in non-hd resolution. Would help comcast! I looked at my lineup and just about all of the cable stations could be taken off analog and they would have enough space for every one of them to be in HD. (And have room for TONS more!) People with just analog would get 2-22 (in my area) and would require a box if they wanted the rest.
Does that make any sense? If they wanted to be nice about it, they could make the basic channels like Nick or Cartoon network, fx, fox news, msnbc, and the others in unencrypted qam. (But make other pay-hd or higher tier channels require a box). Put them in proper channel numbers too. None of the 90.32 for FX and 105.17 for Mnsbc HD.
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Not as long as cable keeps analog service, each analog station takes the space of up to 6 digital.
Many channels are still SD only, but already it is becoming a majority that are HD. And yes SD digital takes less space it still amounts to dupicated wasted space. And for satellite that is a very finite space, that will be more profitable invested, other services (expanded PPV, Sports and movies, more local markets, etc). Also a big sales point if they do it before cable does.
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