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pandora
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Re: When will HD be the standard?

SD will be around a long time on cable and satellite. If its dropped at some time in the future, my guess is the price we will pay is the HD price.

I no longer enjoy SD programs that much. Which is sad, there is so much SD legacy.
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Does it costs the networks more to broadcast and carry 2 channels? One SD and one HD?
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It costs more to shoot programming and rebroadcast in HD. It also costs cable companies and distributors money to rebroadcast those signals.

Since many networks and studios sold off their SD equipment to try and make back some money from their HD investments, I don't think HD is going to be completely mainstream until most of the SD gear dies.



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reply to wings10

said by wings10:

Does it costs the networks more to broadcast and carry 2 channels? One SD and one HD?
The short answer is it depends.

If station is broadcasting two different programs then obviously they have the cost of paying royalties on two programs. If they are the same then there is no additional cost.

The reason stations broadcast in both HD and SD format is not about OTA viewer but Sat and Cable. Often Sat and Cable providers have special relationship with broadcast station and get feed directly, not OTA. However in some cases Sat and Cable simply use OTA pickup. Since Cable will convert digital to analog standard definition broadcasting in SD give the station total control over image quality.

I assume over time you will see simulcasting in HD and SD decline.

A station is able to broadcast more programs in SD then HD. So if many programs is more important then video quality they will broadcast multiple SD channels.

Over the air station have 19 Mbps to play with. Precisely how they "spend" it is a business decision, HD or many SD.

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reply to pandora

said by pandora:

SD will be around a long time on cable and satellite. If its dropped at some time in the future, my guess is the price we will pay is the HD price.

I no longer enjoy SD programs that much. Which is sad, there is so much SD legacy.
Big diference between SD being around and if all channels are HD or not.

Sooner or later it will just be two costly for programmers and sat/cable providers to duplicate everthing, as well as all that bandwidth waste.

As soon as they run out of or just low on people that will pay a priumium for HD, SD as distinct channels WILL go away.

Sure SD content still but, just on a side cropped HD channel.

I make the comparison to telephone, who charges extra for touch tone service anymore? It just got to costly to maintain all that old rotary dial equipment. And while most places you can still pulse dial, its such a low number of people, that the equipment circuits necessary to accomodate them is minimal.

As far as analog the Converter boxes convert both SD digital and HD.

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So they are using the same equipment and then ether up converting or down converting?

And using one camera like on the network news?
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said by wings10:

So they are using the same equipment and then ether up converting or down converting?
Correct, at the studio filming is done in either SD or HD format. It would be too cumbersome and expensive to have two sets of cameras. Assuming show is filmed in HD it is converted to SD.

Broadcast stations are able to simulcast multiple digital programs for free because they can fit both HD and SD program into a single digital OTA channel.

For Cable it is a different issue. They prefer to carry as many different programs as possible, not different versions of the same program. They have a limited amount of bandwidth. Ideally they would like to get rid of analog completely. In fact I think some MSOs have already done that. Some are looking at giving customers of basic cable a cable ready set top box that works much like the OTA converter box. It converts unencrypted QAM to analog SD NTSC. The converter box is cheap and prevents a lot of complaints by basic cable customers. I use OTA so am not really up on Cable industry.

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