Topic 'Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news?' in forum 'Road Runner' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22623758 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:11:54 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:11:54 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22713876
If I had an option to go with Verizon FIOS, I wouldnt miss a beat. 25/25 package is too hard to refuse, imho, tbh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22713876 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:13:36 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22703193
My cablemodem is Docsis 2.0 capable. Would be nice if they offered Docsis 2.0 service, I don't need Docsis 3.0 speeds. Docsis 2.0 would be plenty if it was offered. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22703193 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:23:11 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22702676 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22702676 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:47:03 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22702480 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22702480 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:04:13 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22696308 said by Anonymous_:

said by Rally:

Docsis 1.1 will be milked for quite awhile.
yes but some areas have Docsis 2.0 (mostley old adelphia areas that had it all ready installed)
The entire footprint of NYC is docsis 1.1 - only ex adelphia (as you said) and come comcast areas which upgraded, are only on 2.0 - thats why turbo in a ex adelphia area is usually above 1mbps on the upload, where docsis 1.1 is existing, its 768kbps.
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I'm just a youngster so what would I know! - LMAOROFL! -=)--=Pure OUT!=--(=-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22695335 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:26 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22694842 said by Rally:

Docsis 1.1 will be milked for quite awhile.
yes but some areas have Docsis 2.0 (mostley old adelphia areas that had it all ready installed)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22694842 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:32 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22681933
Sounds like this droid was just after a commission. You didn't have to actually go thru with the cancellation if service was decent if you wanted to.

But:

People who treat me like trash like that get cancelled. No ifs and or butts.

I don't stand for crap. RCN was like that to me and lost lots of revenue since I wound up cancelling the whole service with them.

Time Warner via Earthlink Cable has not done anything bad on their end so far and in fact they aren't even pushing VoIP to me at all.

Knocking down price matters not because they will miss bill you and charge you full price.

All offers must be in WRITING and they tried to upsell you on a product you didn't want in order to gain more revenue. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22681933 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:13:22 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22681550 It looks like they are desperate for their VoIP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22681550 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:04:14 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22669240
However, TWC had a large ad in the News & Observer this past week, they are renting out a rather large venue, and having a pretty large hiring fair, of which I plan on going to later this week.

Companies like Verizon won't likely stop FIOS deployment in it's tracks. They did however note that they will likely slow deployment. Considering the economic environment, Verizon is weathering the recession rather well.

People are not dropping their cellphones or service quite as fast as you think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22669240 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:06:08 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22663740
Firms like Verizon are not hiring anymore workers. In fact most firms have instituted hiring freezes at a minimum and are laying off workers.

Ivan Seidenberg with Charlie Rose specifically said point blank revenue margins were flat and they weren't hiring.

In fact the odds are in my honest opinion that Verizon will stop deployment of FIOS altogether because it costs way too much to deploy considering the nature of the economy we are in right now.

Docsis 3.0 is not as easy as you think to deploy and the fact is most customers will not be spending the extra for the service.

I think its more than doubtful that Verizon will meet its 2014 obligation for FIOS. However if they prove me wrong so be it but it will take a huge economy recovery during this time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22663740 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:22:41 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22663061
Verizon can't wire the whole city in a year, nor can they in a few years. It will take them years to expand their footprint in that area.

DOCSIS 3 is easier to deploy, since it is mainly a headend upgrade. It's very apparent though because of the density of NYC, that TWC has a lot of node congestion. DOCSIS 3 will ease that, however I'm unsure if any additional node splitting would be required.

I could be wrong, but I believe I did read somewhere on here once that deploying broadband in NYC is considerably more expensive and time consuming for Verizon, than say upgrading your average suburban town.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22663061 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:35:17 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22661574
I thought we would have FIOS vs Docsis 3.0 by December in NYC but so far it doesn't look like the case.

Its pretty dead and bleak out there right now.

I remember when firms were rolling out fiber like it was no tomorrow. I used to see trucks like mad putting fiber in the streets all over for their firms in the NYC Metro area.

Times have changed now. I wouldn't be surprised if Docsis 3.0 was cancelled for NYC and FIOS was suspended. I just really wouldn't.

Which means Docsis 3.0 could very well be a no show for Time Warner. Doesn't matter either way. I could be wrong. But if it does come, how many people will pony up for it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22661574 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:13:24 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22660336 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22660336 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:31:04 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22659144
DOCSIS 3 would give you access to a larger "pool" of shared bandwidth with your neighbors on the same node, but it's still shared.

If TW kept the current speeds they offered in place, then DOCSIS 3 would easily free up the capacity needed to feed all the users. But DOCSIS 3 is going to be more of a Premium service, thus it will cost more and in order to be appealing will be significantly faster as well. Service speeds of 50-100Mbps will mean that just a few users could essentially saturate the node if they used their service to its fullest extent. So for an example, users on the node would still experience fast speeds, but below their (say 50Mbps) maximum. Then you will have people complaining that their 50-100Mbps connections are slowing down to 25Mbps at night.

you would have to have a few people on the node transferring some massive files in order for that to happen however. It's likely TW would throttle users who abuse their connections to such an extent in order to provide consistent speed for all users on the network.

DOCSIS 3 is important to cable companies that need to compete with FIOS, but all it's really doing is buying the cable companies some time. FIOS is still superior.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22659144 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:49:21 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22658777
by bonding channels? would the speed be reliable like fios?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22658777 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:57:29 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22657304
The competion is Verizon FIOS vs Time Warner for all practical purposes and competition in New York City.

Only new models required will be for those customers who need to phase out older Docsis modems.

Docsis 3.0 modems will only be required for Docsis 3.0 tier customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22657304 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:38:38 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656979 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656979 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:45:08 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656666 said by NY111024:

Is TWC gonna use new modems when Docsis 3 is deployed? What Modem is TWC providing now in NYC?
the modems depend on your service level. we have Digital Phone and 10/512 road runner and we have the Arris tm402p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656666 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:06:15 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656657 notebook crowd]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656657 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:03:11 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656531 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22656531 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:24:40 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22654193 said by okko321:

will docis 3.0 speed b consistent? n wen did dey bring dcosis 2.0 in ny?
What?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22654193 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:17:40 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22653795 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22653795 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:13:32 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22641579 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22641579 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:07:55 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22641519
A source at Cisco says DOCSIS 3.0 gear has been in NYC for months for testing...since before Sprint even. Another new source at Time Warner Cable who reached out this week insists the NYC launch will be in weeks, not months. No confirmation of this last bit though...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22641519 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:56:33 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640477
Competition is intense here. Budget problems are just an excuse. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640477 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:39:02 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640470 said by GVG:

Heard today from a very reliable inside source, no DOCSIS 3 for the Charlotte area anytime soon. Budget problems.
The Charlotte area has some major issues, at least where my CEO is. We had to have a DSL line installed as his Biz Class line is too unreliable and suffering too much packet loss to support a measly VoIP connection. After fussing and getting them to admit it's a problem at the headend that is going to take months to fix, we couldn't wait any longer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640470 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:38:01 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640359 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640359 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:15:20 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640068 speedtest.nyc.rr.com/

Shows 100MBPS now. Someone else pointed this out after this forum was created then it made top story here.

Looks like Docsis 3.0 is on track for this year for NYC and this just happened to be the first sign of it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22640068 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:19:24 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22632502 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22632502 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:45:40 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631782
Verizon is wiring up new areas in NYC as we speak.

99% of employees don't know what Cablelabs is? Well most employees for companies on the bottom of the ladder are quite unknowledgable on their own product lines.

Bright people who don't know about telecommunications products won't know either although they know about cablemodems and broadband in general.

However, customers do know SPEED and want faster and better technologies to emerge.

They know what fiber optics is and the like.

I can say that Andy Grove of Intel knows what Cablelabs is as he mentioned it with Charlie Rose straight up. If Intel knows what it is, and makes the majority and the best of the worlds processors for computers, you can bet your bottom dollar that we will up the pipe.

Why it hasn't been done as of yet I can't answer. I am hoping it is the 8 channel Docsis 3.0 product.

Remember there is a ton of things that go on including spectrum allocation and the like. Extensive trials and field tests need to be done and maybe even tweaking of the networks themselves.

"Now, only days after the Broadcom announcement, Cisco has revealed its plan to develop a new DOCSIS 3.0 modem based on the Broadcom silicon. According to Multichannel News, the device will be submitted for CableLabs certification this spring, with widespread deployment scheduled for 2010."

Time Warner could very well be readying its Cablelabs docsis 3.0 8 channel product since Verizon FIOS is raising its speed tiers.

Time Warner has every reason to migrate to Docsis 3.0 and they know it.

You can't succeed as a cable firm unless you offer technological changes especially in the New York City market with FIOS, Time Warner and RCN in some markets.

Residential broadband is not a commercial grade product and has to be done to a very large scale using shared OC Pipes and the like and the last mile is the most expensive and challenging part to get accomplished.

Time Warner has the last mile, Verizon FIOS is building the last mile, RCN has partially built out the last mile and AT&T owns huge central offices and facilities and could really build out its own network as well if it wanted to since it has successfully deployed U-Verse elsewhere. The lack of a product better than AT&T DSL is a disappointment. But with so much competition between FIOS and Time Warner and with partial competition, I don't see AT&T spending billions to build out U-Verse to NYC.

Docsis 3.0 needs to get done. It is the future. Docsis 3.0 is needed for society. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631782 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:55:13 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631474
and I'd take your money.

"Let's not forget it was one of TWC's executives who said they don't see the need for higher internet speeds."

Today.....he is probably right.

Hob
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Let's not forget it was one of TWC's executives who said they don't see the need for higher internet speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631165 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:38:38 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631020
Hob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22631020 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:12:10 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630755 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630755 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:22:26 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630733
TWC has said they will do Docsis 3.0 here by December and I bet they will when FIOS is more deployed and the economy starts picking back up and the like.

I don't see Time Warner changing plans for Docsis 3.0 in NYC considering FIOS is raising speed tiers in NY markets and will be out to more of NYC as time goes on. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630733 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:17:46 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630522
Supposedly that is when the world is going to end. Earth will be colliding with a big chunk of green space cheese. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630522 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:39:05 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630503 --
The more you talk, the less you listen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630503 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:36:12 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22630033 said by hobgoblin:

I just love speculation.
I'm not expecting TWC to release anything on the subject, such as "planned for 4th quarter 2009 are these and these cities", so speculation is all we have :)

Only TWC themselves can give us the FACTS on TWC and Docsis 3.0, and they aren't talking.
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My area looks like it will be getting FIOS as well in the near future. So it will likely be a Docsis 3.0 vs FIOS race.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22628915 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:41:34 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627920
Company officials have not announced any additional specific cities at this time, but claimed they would progress towards additional rollouts in selected cities as market conditions warrant.

What this means in reality is that they will not allow themselves to fall significantly behind a comparable competitor (muni fiber broadband, AT&T U-verse, or Verizon FiOS).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627920 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:42:43 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627819 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627819 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:26:06 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627407
Hob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627407 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:13:03 EDT Re: Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22627150
Btw the cap trial cities that made TWC scrap the idea..Probably will not be seeing docsis 3.0 because TWC decided you, didnt play nice with them, so no docsis 3.0 for you!
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But that is just a rumor and speculation.
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-Jon]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22625039 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:36:58 EDT Road Runner - Docsis 3 news? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22623758
Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Road-Runner-Docsis-3-news-22623758 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:40:45 EDT