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Re: It's because
Lets not forget that we pay heavily for this wonderful disservice.
As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes? |
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wifi4milez
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| said by backness  :Lets not forget that we pay heavily for this wonderful disservice. As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes? This only happens to Rogers subscribers while they are using their home connection. So the 'pipes' already belong to Rogers, and they are simply using them to notify you of various things. You wont be at a friends house using Vidoetron and see these 'notices', this is only happening on their network.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ | And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. |
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backness
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Re: It's because
Acutally,
The person who is PAYING the BILL is Provisioning the service. I.E. the Content Creator and the Content Reciever. This means that Rogers is using my rented communication channel to pass on THIER corporate proaganda.
So yes I would say they are sending out this data at the expense of the consumer and the originator of the content |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | What does your "lease" state regarding what the network owner can and can't do on your rented connection? |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
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If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights,
Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it. So why should the network message sent at my expense (60$) month save Rogers the money for a stamp and the overhead of delivering the message? This is especially true when they clamp down on the network with silly over charges and Usage Based Billing.
Why should broadband be different? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
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| The lease for your house states what you can/can't do as well as the responsibilities and rights of your landlord. The contract that you sign with a phone dictates your service rights as well as the network owner's rights and responsibilities. So, what does your broadband connection rental agreement state? |
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
said by TKJunkMail :Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too.
What's the point?
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| said by funchords :said by TKJunkMail :Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying. If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too. What's the point? The point is to not be annoyed. And not using the internet at all isn't a good option. What was the point of your post? None that I can see.
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wifi4milez
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| reply to backness
Re: It's because
said by backness :Well lets see, If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights, Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it. Your above statement is very misguided. When you rent a car/house you are given rights above and beyond a bystander on the street. HOWEVER, as that property doesnt actually belong to you the rights you have are FAR different than a person who actually owns the asset.
If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place!
Along those same lines, go rent a car from your local Hertz (or whatever equivalent you have in Canada). Then remove the rear seats, put 20 inch rims on it, paint it red, and try to return it.
You see, renting something gives you very little actually rights in the eyes of the law. Your rights are limited by the TOS that comes with every agreement you sign, and in 99.999999999% of cases it favors the asset owner (in this case the telco).
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Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
said by TKJunkMail : What was the point of your post? None that I can see. My point is that I shouldn't have to combat the improper behavior of my ISP. It should just stay out of my way. I shouldn't have to change anything.
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| said by funchords :said by TKJunkMail : What was the point of your post? None that I can see. My point is that I shouldn't have to combat the improper behavior of my ISP. It should just stay out of my way. I shouldn't have to change anything. Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages.
Cable operators are becoming to greedy for their own good. I hope they subtract every bit they force down our throats from there monthly caps. |
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| reply to wifi4milez
Re: It's because
said by wifi4milez :If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place! FYI about Canadian (at least Ontario) law...
As a landlord you are required to give any Tenant at least 48 Hours notice before entering and the tenant can refuse entry to you without any adverse consequences to the tenant.
So if I want to live with a broken water heater that's my call.
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wifi4milez
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| said by El Quintron :said by wifi4milez :If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place! FYI about Canadian (at least Ontario) law... As a landlord you are required to give any Tenant at least 48 Hours notice before entering and the tenant can refuse entry to you without any adverse consequences to the tenant. So if I want to live with a broken water heater that's my call. Not if a pipe in a common wall area breaks, or if whatever is broken is going to screw up the structure of the building. The LL can come in for emergency maintenance, even if you arent there (thats the law everywhere). A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry.
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| said by wifi4milez : A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry. Injecting ads/messages on my internet certainly isn't an emergency either...
Therefore I should be able to "refuse" entry as well. In fact it should become part of privacy law. UA's should be made null and void by virtue of this.
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wifi4milez
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| said by El Quintron :said by wifi4milez : A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry. Injecting ads/messages on my internet certainly isn't an emergency either... Therefore I should be able to "refuse" entry as well. In fact it should become part of privacy law. UA's should be made null and void by virtue of this. First, they have never injected ads (nor has anyone else). Second, they could argue that security notices and things like that are emergencies. By signing the agreement for service you are agreeing to their TOS and everything it includes. The same applies to a house/apartment you rent; all the detail are in the lease.
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El Quintron
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| To be clear I'm no longer a Roger's customer, and they do inject ads, you can't deny it.
-Whether the DNS redirects instead of a 404 page or the injected ads along the google search page... they're injecting ads.
This was happening in 2006, when I was a Roger's customer.
Emergencies are life threathening. TSI's notices of network outages via email are nice, but aren't required...
I will say that this being a consumer board ISPs do take quite a beating at times, but no amount of apologism is going make this practice palatable.
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wifi4milez
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| said by El Quintron :To be clear I'm no longer a Roger's customer, and they do inject ads, you can't deny it. I dont live in Canada, nor have I used Rogers. However, according to this very article (and all the others about the subject on this site) Rogers has never inserted ads using this method.
said by El Quintron :I will say that this being a consumer board ISPs do take quite a beating at times, but no amount of apologism is going make this practice palatable. In no way did I say I supported them inserting ads. From everything we have read about it (until your claim a few minutes ago) they never have inserted ads. I was simply pointing out that the TOS is what governs what a company can or cant do.
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openbox9
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| reply to NSA_CIA
Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus
said by NSA_CIA :
Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages. Consumers don't need to know how to use Adblock Plus or NoScript to view web pages. Those tools merely help consumers control their content. |
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| said by openbox9 :said by NSA_CIA :
Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages. Consumers don't need to know how to use Adblock Plus or NoScript to view web pages. Those tools merely help consumers control their content. Your supposed to change up the lines a bit before posting straight from the corporate memo.
I can control what web sites I visit just fine on my own. |
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