cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD Reviews:
 ·Future Nine Corp..
·Google Voice
 ·Verizon FiOS
 ·DSL EXTREME
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Re: Anyone sucessfully switched from PPPoE to DHCP? said by cdru:Neither is inherently more stable then the other. Both have mechanisms to reacquire the same IP address. Both have the ability to force an IP address to change if required when a lease times out. ... While this may be technically true ... it absolutely does not work that way in the real world. At least in any area I've worked. Can you come up with any real advantage to PPPoE for the end user?
How much real difference will most of the new speeds make on a residential connection? Isn't it up to each user to make their own choice?
There's no problem with wanting DHCP or PPPoE and I'm not trying to discourage you from switching if you want. It's your prerogative. I'm just trying to state factual information.
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
·Frontier FiOS
| said by cbrain:While this may be technically true ... it absolutely does not work that way in the real world. At least in any area I've worked. Can you come up with any real advantage to PPPoE for the end user? I don't know if it's still the case, but back with DSL PPPoE customers were over provisioned more then DHCP to account for the overhead. As a result their real-world speeds were often faster then their DHCP counterparts. Other then that, there isn't really a advantage for PPPoE for the end user. The real benefit was on the ISP/telco side of the network as existing communication and billing infrastructures that were used for dialup were easily reused for broadband connections. The PPPoE connection was just treated as another "dial up" connection and metering or other information was easily integrated.
Anymore the connection setup and tear down that is required with PPPoE is essentially transparent to the end user as a router handles it on demand or just keeps it alive.
How much real difference will most of the new speeds make on a residential connection? I'm not sure where this fits in with discussing PPPoE, but the new speeds for an overwhelming majority of users won't make too much of a difference as they are only using a fraction of their bandwidth anyways. Large downloads maybe will be quicker, but if a webpage loads in a fraction of a second anyways, a few milliseconds shaved off of that won't be noticeable. For streaming content, as long as there is enough bandwidth to satisfy the stream additional bandwidth is just icing.
Isn't it up to each user to make their own choice? Honestly, no. I don't think it's a "choice" of the consumer. You are paying for a internet connection. PPPoE or DHCP, they are both industry norms and very widely supported. If it was some obscure technology that no one supported then people can complain. But who cares what format the data is transmitted. As long as you get your stated speed, low latency, and don't have packet loss, what difference does it really make if it was transmitted even using a string and two cups? |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD Reviews:
·Future Nine Corp..
·Google Voice
·Verizon FiOS
·DSL EXTREME
| said by cdru:I don't know if it's still the case, but back with DSL PPPoE customers were over provisioned more then DHCP to account for the overhead. As a result their real-world speeds were often faster then their DHCP counterparts. Other then that, there isn't really a advantage for PPPoE for the end user. ... So that overhead does make a difference. 
said by cdru:said by cbrain:Isn't it up to each user to make their own choice? Honestly, no. I don't think it's a "choice" of the consumer. You are paying for a internet connection. PPPoE or DHCP, they are both industry norms and very widely supported. If it was some obscure technology that no one supported then people can complain. But who cares what format the data is transmitted. As long as you get your stated speed, low latency, and don't have packet loss, what difference does it really make if it was transmitted even using a string and two cups? My choice would be to not use a string and two cups.
I had USNet/Covad DSL with a static IP in '99/2000, and never would consider DSL using PPPoE. When I ordered FiOS, my understanding was they were planning to transition us in a year or 2. I have written confirmation this is still the plan but no date.
My current array of choices include terminating FiOS for 31 days the re-ordering from Verizon or a FiOS reseller. I am attempting to eliminate the overhead of so many changes for both Verizon and myself. |
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS
| said by cbrain:So that overhead does make a difference. Point taken, but in the case of DSL it was from the days when 1.5mbit was the fastest you could get for about 2x what FiOS costs these days and people really bitched about not getting every last drop that they were paying for. On a 768 or 1500 kbit connection, 8 bytes per packet feels like a lot more then what it does on a 20mbit connection.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing. Be sure to follow up with the experience for others to reference in the future. |
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