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said by TKJunkMail  :How about because it will be only marginally cheaper than a physical DVR in the home, but at the same time much less responsive to rewind and fast forward remote control commands. It also lends itself to experiments preventing the fast forwarding thru commercials. Despite the Appeals Court ruling, pressure on Cablevision by the entertainment industry to prevent skipping thru commercials will be considerable and easier to try out with a Network DVR. Disagree on the "marginally" cheaper - it's substantial.
think about the potential for deduplicating data - you only keep ONE copy of each program centrally, instead of hundreds of thousands distributed all over the place.
This is a major win for consumers:
a) Lower cost - let's say the supplier price for hard disks is $35. $35 x (figure) 200,000 DVR's in CV territory (I bet the number's a lot higher, actually) = $7m in savings that can (not necessarily will be) passed on to the consumer.
b) Higher reliability - CV can use a mid-tier disk array with some variety of protection (be it RAID, replication, etc.) that protect against failure. In the current model, if a disk fails, all of a consumer's recordings are lost.
c) More availability - say you forget to schedule a show to record. It's in the CV archive anyway, so why can't you "record" it after the fact?
Lots of potential here. LOTS. This can change the way we watch TV as we know it (as TiVo did for us 10 years ago.) |
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| There is also great potential for:
- Preventing commercial skipping
- Inserting alternate and possibly longer ads every time you watch (would require cooperation of the content producer possibly)
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a) Lower cost - let's say the supplier price for hard disks is $35. $35 x (figure) 200,000 DVR's in CV territory (I bet the number's a lot higher, actually) = $7m in savings that can (not necessarily will be) passed on to the consumer.
My most recent quote on SAN storage the other day for video was over $80,000 for about 12TB, and that is actually the lower end using SATA drives instead of fiber channel. It's also cheaper than what a vendor like EMC would charge you.
Suffice to say that enterprise storage is not going to be $35 for a 1TB disk. These are not desktop drives that you buy from Fry's. |
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| said by Eat Me :My most recent quote on SAN storage the other day for video was over $80,000 for about 12TB, and that is actually the lower end using SATA drives instead of fiber channel. It's also cheaper than what a vendor like EMC would charge you. Suffice to say that enterprise storage is not going to be $35 for a 1TB disk. These are not desktop drives that you buy from Fry's. Of course we're talking enterprise storage ... very different. But the prices are continuing to fall ... Even still, using some dedupe and content compression (go check out ocarina networks), you can achieve economies of scale ...
(I work in enterprise storage, so I know a bit about it). |
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said by dennismurphy :said by TKJunkMail :How about because it will be only marginally cheaper than a physical DVR in the home, but at the same time much less responsive to rewind and fast forward remote control commands. It also lends itself to experiments preventing the fast forwarding thru commercials. Despite the Appeals Court ruling, pressure on Cablevision by the entertainment industry to prevent skipping thru commercials will be considerable and easier to try out with a Network DVR. Disagree on the "marginally" cheaper - it's substantial. think about the potential for deduplicating data - you only keep ONE copy of each program centrally, instead of hundreds of thousands distributed all over the place. I am fairly certain you can not. I believe the original ruling was very specific and it included how the Network DVR would work, especially as far as buffering/caching and storage.
From the appeal decision
"If a customer has requested a particular program, the data for that program move from the primary buffer into a secondary buffer, and then onto a portion of one of the hard disks allocated to that customer. As new data flow into the primary buffer, they overwrite a corresponding quantity of data already on the buffer."
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said by dennismurphy :said by TKJunkMail :How about because it will be only marginally cheaper than a physical DVR in the home Disagree on the "marginally" cheaper - it's substantial. Costwise for the provider, yes. But I was referring to the customer. They won't be charging the customer much less than they do for in-home DVRs.
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said by Eat Me :There is also great potential for: - Preventing commercial skipping If you can stream media to your TV, then you will always be able to DVR it, and thus skip commercials.
Myth TV and other type DVRs, will DVR an OTA signal for instance.
I do see this as an issue though. And whats worse, even if Cablevision allows you to skip, the media companies may sue for *allowing* the skipping of commercials. TIVO was sued for adding in the 30 second jump.
But again, no one can stop you from hooking up your own media center and you will always have control of that.
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| Actually, I don't believe TiVo has ever been sued for 30-second skip. It is not a documented feature. ReplayTV, an early TiVo competitor, was sued for its commercial-skipping capability, though. Perhaps that's what you're recalling.
Regardless, the point is well-founded: Promoting a feature that specifically facilitates commercial avoidance is not going to go unopposed. |
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