Topic 'Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22627130 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:09:54 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:09:54 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22644714 said by funchords:

I'll requote you, "First, they have never injected ads (nor has anyone else)."Fair enough, you got me on that technicality! ;)

said by funchords:

I'm really not in an argument with you, though. I think we both see this thing as a lame thing to do.

I would agree that unless its for a real purpose, it should be avoided.

said by funchords:

PS: Fixing the world's problems with service contracts is on my list of things to do, right after solving world hunger and middle-east peace.
Thats one heck of a laundry list you have there... :p
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said by funchords:

Yeah, it did happen for about a month in 2007. It was one of the earlier NebuAd trials.
As far as I know that wasnt Rogers (which is what we are talking about here), it was a small ISP in the Southern US. Hence, my argument still holds true. I'll requote you, "First, they have never injected ads (nor has anyone else)."

I'm really not in an argument with you, though. I think we both see this thing as a lame thing to do.

PS: Fixing the world's problems with service contracts is on my list of things to do, right after solving world hunger and middle-east peace.
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Yeah, it did happen for about a month in 2007. It was one of the earlier NebuAd trials.
As far as I know that wasnt Rogers (which is what we are talking about here), it was a small ISP in the Southern US. Hence, my argument still holds true.

said by funchords:

Yeah, they'll argue that. Note that you yourself are finding the loopholes here. That should be a sign.
No argument there, I am just pointing out that there could be a legitimate reason for using it.

said by funchords:

Can we agree that the "signature" (usually a button press) is on fluidic test. A TOS is subject to change without notice. If we're really signing a document agreeing to sections that haven't been written yet, is it any wonder that consumers give it rather lower regard than an unchanging document that is actually signed?
Regardless, every contract (telecom or not) has a TOS of sorts. Legal contracts are what bind people together in civilized societies. Unless you can come up with a better option, we will be stuck with contracts for many years to come....
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22644102 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:10:44 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22643976 said by wifi4milez:

First, they have never injected ads (nor has anyone else).
Yeah, it did happen for about a month in 2007. It was one of the earlier NebuAd trials.

said by wifi4milez:

Second, they could argue that security notices and things like that are emergencies.
Yeah, they'll argue that. Note that you yourself are finding the loopholes here. That should be a sign.

said by wifi4milez:

By signing the agreement for service you are agreeing to their TOS and everything it includes.
Can we agree that the "signature" (usually a button press) is on fluidic test. A TOS is subject to change without notice. If we're really signing a document agreeing to sections that haven't been written yet, is it any wonder that consumers give it rather lower regard than an unchanging document that is actually signed?
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said by NSA_CIA :

Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages.
Consumers don't need to know how to use Adblock Plus or NoScript to view web pages. Those tools merely help consumers control their content.
Your supposed to change up the lines a bit before posting straight from the corporate memo.

I can control what web sites I visit just fine on my own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22632863 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:05:30 EDT Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22631329 said by NSA_CIA :

Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages.Consumers don't need to know how to use Adblock Plus or NoScript to view web pages. Those tools merely help consumers control their content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22631329 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:07:22 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22630651 said by El Quintron:

To be clear I'm no longer a Roger's customer, and they do inject ads, you can't deny it.
I dont live in Canada, nor have I used Rogers. However, according to this very article (and all the others about the subject on this site) Rogers has never inserted ads using this method.

said by El Quintron:

I will say that this being a consumer board ISPs do take quite a beating at times, but no amount of apologism is going make this practice palatable.
In no way did I say I supported them inserting ads. From everything we have read about it (until your claim a few minutes ago) they never have inserted ads. I was simply pointing out that the TOS is what governs what a company can or cant do.
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-Whether the DNS redirects instead of a 404 page or the injected ads along the google search page... they're injecting ads.

This was happening in 2006, when I was a Roger's customer.

Emergencies are life threathening. TSI's notices of network outages via email are nice, but aren't required...

I will say that this being a consumer board ISPs do take quite a beating at times, but no amount of apologism is going make this practice palatable.
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said by wifi4milez:

A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry.
Injecting ads/messages on my internet certainly isn't an emergency either...

Therefore I should be able to "refuse" entry as well. In fact it should become part of privacy law. UA's should be made null and void by virtue of this.
First, they have never injected ads (nor has anyone else). Second, they could argue that security notices and things like that are emergencies. By signing the agreement for service you are agreeing to their TOS and everything it includes. The same applies to a house/apartment you rent; all the detail are in the lease.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22630356 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:08:09 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22630323 said by wifi4milez:

A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry.
Injecting ads/messages on my internet certainly isn't an emergency either...

Therefore I should be able to "refuse" entry as well. In fact it should become part of privacy law. UA's should be made null and void by virtue of this.
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said by wifi4milez:

If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place!
FYI about Canadian (at least Ontario) law...

As a landlord you are required to give any Tenant at least 48 Hours notice before entering and the tenant can refuse entry to you without any adverse consequences to the tenant.

So if I want to live with a broken water heater that's my call.
Not if a pipe in a common wall area breaks, or if whatever is broken is going to screw up the structure of the building. The LL can come in for emergency maintenance, even if you arent there (thats the law everywhere). A broken water heater is not an emergency, and that is why you can refuse him entry.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22630250 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:47:53 EDT Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22629655 said by funchords:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

What was the point of your post? None that I can see.
My point is that I shouldn't have to combat the improper behavior of my ISP. It should just stay out of my way. I shouldn't have to change anything.
Exactly. Consumers should not have to know how to use AD Block plus and Script block plus just to view web pages.

Cable operators are becoming to greedy for their own good. I hope they subtract every bit they force down our throats from there monthly caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22629655 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:35:14 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22629722 said by wifi4milez:

If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place!
FYI about Canadian (at least Ontario) law...

As a landlord you are required to give any Tenant at least 48 Hours notice before entering and the tenant can refuse entry to you without any adverse consequences to the tenant.

So if I want to live with a broken water heater that's my call.
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What was the point of your post? None that I can see.
My point is that I shouldn't have to combat the improper behavior of my ISP. It should just stay out of my way. I shouldn't have to change anything.
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Well lets see,

If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights,

Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it.
Your above statement is very misguided. When you rent a car/house you are given rights above and beyond a bystander on the street. HOWEVER, as that property doesnt actually belong to you the rights you have are FAR different than a person who actually owns the asset.

If you think renting a house is the same as owning, try telling your landlord they cant enter the premises to fix a broken water line (or something like that). You will quickly find yourself on the corner searching through the classified ads for a new place!

Along those same lines, go rent a car from your local Hertz (or whatever equivalent you have in Canada). Then remove the rear seats, put 20 inch rims on it, paint it red, and try to return it.

You see, renting something gives you very little actually rights in the eyes of the law. Your rights are limited by the TOS that comes with every agreement you sign, and in 99.999999999% of cases it favors the asset owner (in this case the telco).
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22628963 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:50:57 EDT Re: And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22628954 said by funchords:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying.
If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too.

What's the point?
The point is to not be annoyed. And not using the internet at all isn't a good option. What was the point of your post? None that I can see.
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Use Firefox browser with the AdBlock Plus addon and you can block their msgs if they are annoying.
If you don't use the Internet, you can block their messages, too.

What's the point?
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If I rent a house I have rights, If I subscribe to a phone I have rights,

Why would I have none with Robbers? The issue is, that once you "lease/Rent" something to someone you lose the "right" to do whatever you like with it. So why should the network message sent at my expense (60$) month save Rogers the money for a stamp and the overhead of delivering the message? This is especially true when they clamp down on the network with silly over charges and Usage Based Billing.

Why should broadband be different?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22628857 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:31:57 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22628818 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22628818 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:25:43 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22627702 said by Rally:

The entire Candian Cable ISP industry, just does whatever it feels like doing. There's hardly any sort of competition up north, and the customers suffer. I'm all for ISPs to try and make money, but you should always been an opt-out of these type of services.
We do not have competition in the US either.
If we do not do something now with laws to prevent this type of crap then the US will become just like Canada.

ISPs that have video and phone services will limit their internet connections to protect those services and they will do anything to make more money if we do not stop them now.
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The person who is PAYING the BILL is Provisioning the service. I.E. the Content Creator and the Content Reciever. This means that Rogers is using my rented communication channel to pass on THIER corporate proaganda.

So yes I would say they are sending out this data at the expense of the consumer and the originator of the content]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22627675 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:03:18 EDT And you can block their msgs using FF & adblock plus http://www.dslreports.com/forum/And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22627621 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/And-you-can-block-their-msgs-using-FF-adblock-plus-22627621 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:56:07 EDT Re: It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22627446 said by backness:

Lets not forget that we pay heavily for this wonderful disservice.

As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes?
This only happens to Rogers subscribers while they are using their home connection. So the 'pipes' already belong to Rogers, and they are simply using them to notify you of various things. You wont be at a friends house using Vidoetron and see these 'notices', this is only happening on their network.
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As do the content creators. Why should Rogers get a free ride on my pipes?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-because-22627186 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:21:48 EDT It's because http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Its-because-22627130 --
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