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Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

We are running a website that provides for a password forgotten service. A new password is being generated to get the customer back in. Unfortunately some of the passwords are difficult to read/interpret with certain letters/digits looking very similar (1,l,L,i,I,J,0 and O) especially depending on the font used by the recipient.

Just wondering how difficult it is to change the output for password generation to exclude those letters and digits?

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Re: Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

said by mouse See Profile :

We are running a website that provides for a password forgotten service. A new password is being generated to get the customer back in. Unfortunately some of the passwords are difficult to read/interpret with certain letters/digits looking very similar (1,l,L,i,I,J,0 and O) especially depending on the font used by the recipient.

Just wondering how difficult it is to change the output for password generation to exclude those letters and digits?
Let me load up my telepathic interpreter.....darn, 'tis busted. I guess you'll just have to tell us what software/language/etc is involved.

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No harder than writing the password generator in the first place, except you don't put as many characters in its alphabet.

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I use an array that has all the characters that I want an initial password to have, excluding the ones in your list. Then it's a matter of randomly picking out characters from that array to build a password.
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Language, platform, frameworks might be useful here..

I can give you a grails 3 line solution, but have no clue if it's remotely useful.

yock
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This seems like the wrong solution to me. Why not simply recommend through your documentation that users use serif fonts?
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Re: Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

said by yock See Profile :

This seems like the wrong solution to me. Why not simply recommend through your documentation that users use serif fonts?
Which would you rather provide tech support for:

a) forgotten-password link that avoids troublesome characters
b) "How do I change the fonts in my UnknownMail client?"

Corollary to (b): wanna teach my grandmother to change fonts on her browser?

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Re: Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

said by Steve See Profile :

said by yock See Profile :

This seems like the wrong solution to me. Why not simply recommend through your documentation that users use serif fonts?
Which would you rather provide tech support for:

a) forgotten-password link that avoids troublesome characters
b) "How do I change the fonts in my UnknownMail client?"

Corollary to (b): wanna teach my grandmother to change fonts on her browser?
Two possibilities: 1) set your display page's FONT attributes to instruct the user's browser to render a Serif-based font; and/or, 2) put instructions in to use cut-n-paste to load the temporary password into the client's connect info.
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Re: Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

said by nixen See Profile :

Two possibilities: 1) set your display page's FONT attributes to instruct the user's browser to render a Serif-based font; and/or, 2) put instructions in to use cut-n-paste to load the temporary password into the client's connect info.
The former is not universally reliable, and the latter is just more stuff to support.

Friedl's rule: the best tech support is that which is not necessary

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Re: Password Generation and exclusion of certain letters/digits

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said by nixen See Profile :

Two possibilities: 1) set your display page's FONT attributes to instruct the user's browser to render a Serif-based font; and/or, 2) put instructions in to use cut-n-paste to load the temporary password into the client's connect info.
The former is not universally reliable, and the latter is just more stuff to support.
If your users are still using IE5, then *ANYTHING* you do is going to be a support nightmare.

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Friedl's rule: the best tech support is that which is not necessary
Corollary: the best way to cut down on need for tech support is to install fatal auto-LARTs.
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Naturally, DEC was there first.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Eq···necdotes

In 1960, DEC engineers realized that in specifying connectors on a frame, where numbers mark the card slot locations and letters mark the connectors on individual cards, some letters cause confusion. Thus the letters G, I, O, and Q were dropped to avoid confusion with C, 1, and 0. The remaining 22 letters were since known as the DEC alphabet[citation needed].
(Actually, we called it the DEC Hardware Alphabet).
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said by yock See Profile :

This seems like the wrong solution to me. Why not simply recommend through your documentation that users use serif fonts?
Because it takes longer to write the documentation than to make such a trivial code change?
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