R410A in Home Repair & Improvement http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22632204 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:56:50 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:56:50 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695351 Lurch77 : I say screw it all and dump in some R-718. No more environmental worries then. :)
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said by 3SGTE See Profile :

said by HVACisCool :

HFO-1234yf (a flammable substance) will be replacing R134A in new automotive and other mobile A/C systems. Europe first, then North America. The systems are under much higher pressure.
1234-yf isn't that different from a pressure point of view.

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The real wild one is R-744 (CO2). It runs at pressures between 5 to 10 times higher than R134.
That's good! Shouldn't cause any more leaks into the atmosphere. Sounds like a sound well thought out plan. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695020 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:52:53 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694994 Subaru : I just got a new Frigidaire unit that uses R22 as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22694994 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:45:06 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655163 3SGTE :
said by HVACisCool :

HFO-1234yf (a flammable substance) will be replacing R134A in new automotive and other mobile A/C systems. Europe first, then North America. The systems are under much higher pressure.
1234-yf isn't that different from a pressure point of view.

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The real wild one is R-744 (CO2). It runs at pressures between 5 to 10 times higher than R134.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655163 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:45:09 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650629 jchambers28 : here is the label off of my new window ac unit.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650629 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:38:58 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647822 anon : I apologize for the confusion. R134A is not a drop in replacement for R22. R410A isn't either. R407C is as close as it gets. Many manufacturers using R22 redesigned and then switched to R134A to avoid higher costs. My window unit runs R134A (8 years old). My central air runs R134A (6 years old).

HFO-1234yf (a flammable substance) will be replacing R134A in new automotive and other mobile A/C systems. Europe first, then North America. The systems are under much higher pressure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647822 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:59:45 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647829 anon : You're right. I misspoke. It will be illegal to manufacture or import, not to buy or sell nationally.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647829 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:59:39 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647803 anon : New systems previously using R12 and R22 (refrigerators, a/c, etc.). Niche hardware with specialized requirements will still run the gamut, including CO2. You'll see R22 available but it will be "recovered" refrigerant from existing systems. The price of R22 will skyrocket like R12 did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647803 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:59:04 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647467 Subaru :
said by Splitpair See Profile :

said by HVACisCool :

R22 is old and will soon be illegal to purchase. It was replaced, mostly, by R134A.
Sorry thats incorrect, R12 was phased (taxed) out and replaced by R134a.

R22 is being replaced by 410A.

Wayne

That's what I thought
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647467 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:34:17 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647463 Lurch77 : 22 won't be illegal to purchase, just extremely expensive. You can still buy 12 if you want. I just picked up a bottle for a special job a couple weeks ago. Nearly $900 for a 30 pounder.
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Regardless.... I think you have to have an EPA card to get anything except 134a.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647450 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:31:23 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647224 Splitpair :
said by cabot See Profile :

"R22 is old and will soon be illegal to purchase. It was replaced, mostly, by R134A."

In what?
Nothing as that is incorrect information. ;-)

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Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647224 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:38:21 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647202 Splitpair :
said by HVACisCool :

R22 is old and will soon be illegal to purchase. It was replaced, mostly, by R134A.
Sorry thats incorrect, R12 was phased (taxed) out and replaced by R134a.

R22 is being replaced by 410A.

Wayne

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In what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647036 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:56:46 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646387 anon : R22 is old and will soon be illegal to purchase. It was replaced, mostly, by R134A.

Wait until you meet HFO-1234yf.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646387 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:46:04 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644767 Subaru : hmm I did not know that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644767 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:12:16 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22643075 jchambers28 : no they are R22 I bought a new one a few days ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22643075 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:16:30 EDT Re: R410A http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22643061 IllIlIlllIll :
said by jchambers28 See Profile :

will window ac units be made with R410A after the R22 phase out?
i thought window units were using r134a...
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said by jchambers28 See Profile :

I have a R410A question I know how to work on a ac unit can a non certified consumer go out and buy R410 REF without a licence?
like R134A?
Technically an EPA certificate is required, however the stuff just like many other types of freon are all over e-bay, just do a quick search.

Wayne
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like R134A?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632204 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:36:07 EDT