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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rifleman <A HREF="/useremail/u/949692"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I dunno---the military is looking like one hell of a wise career move. <br>One would think that one signing up for military duty understands there might be a risk to one's life involved. <br>One more overuse of the term "Hero"<br> </div>Yes, this is fully understood. However, the same does not apply to children of those members. Why should they be penalized for their parent giving the ultimate sacrifice to this country?<br><br> :mad:<br><small>--<br>"Vision without funds....<br>       is a hallucination"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/302630"><b>bluebaron2</b></A> : O.K.  urbanriot <A HREF="/useremail/u/1095016"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>; In peace- ( which is pretty ironical for the subject of this thread) - just so there is no further misinterpretation of what I posted:<br><br>"for 122 Canadians it was a bad career move" - - - well,  it was. <br>Any "career" that kills you is not a wise "career" choice. .....<br><br>So maybe joining the military is not a "career" and maybe, I think at least, that those Canadians who made the choice to join our military knowing that they may have to make the ultimate sacrifice are doing something above and beyound choosing a career. <br><br>And I don't believe that the knowing choice they have made is  to be lumped in with choosing to be an accountant or a lawyer or or a welder. This is something beyound a "career" that should not be trivialized in such an off handed manor.   <br><br>Is this clearer?<br><small>--<br>bb2<br>      <br>Since I've given up hope I feel much better.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/796173"><b>noelstrom</b></A> : This will be at every university across Canada before too long - no one wants to be the first to say no to this group....<br><small>--<br>Do not mistake kindness for weakness.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1095016"><b>urbanriot</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Robert <A HREF="/useremail/u/598807"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hey urbanriot, look to you left.  See the dot that is about 8 million km away.  That was bb2's point you missed.<br> </div>Yep, I misinterpreted what he articulated. I may have taken his words too literally and missed any positive emotion behind it. There's far too many people in the media, writing opinion pieces, and making other claims on behalf of those serving... that's often contrary to what they're saying or feeling. <br><br>bluebaron2, I read "for 122 Canadians it was a bad career move" as you suggesting they made a mistake. If that's not what you meant then I apologize. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/302630"><b>bluebaron2</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  urbanriot <A HREF="/useremail/u/1095016"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Unless you're aware, first hand, that one of the 122 Canadians who died serving our country were serving against their will or complaining, I don't know that they need a posthumous spokesperson saying they made a right or wrong choice; some might even consider it disrespectful that others are suggesting that their proud service, which may have benefited others, was a mistake. <br> </div>Well then I'm certain glad we are in 100% agreement. <br><br>Because what you are saying in response to what I have posted seems to be 180 degrees out of whack from what I have been meaning. ( Maybe it's my fault.) <br><br>We'll clear it up right now:<br>What I think = Calling what our forces have volunteered to do a "wise career choice" trivializes their commitment and for those who have died, their sacrifice. <br><br>To call their choice a mistake is a dishonour to that sacrifice. I am not saying that, I would never imply that, and I don't understand how you could have interpreted what I wrote as meaning that!<br><br>Hope this clears up any confusion. <br><small>--<br>bb2<br>      <br>Since I've given up hope I feel much better.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/598807"><b>Robert</b></A> : Hey urbanriot, look to you left.  See the dot that is about 8 million km away.  That was bb2's point you missed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1095016"><b>urbanriot</b></A> : I'm sure that many believe that the outcome of death ending any career is a 'bad career move' <i>for that particular person</i>, whether you're in the military, deep sea diver, lion tamer, stunt car racer or engaging in any other job which has a higher chance of resulting in death; but your original argument was that they receive low pay and have an extremely negative experience; from those that I know who have or are actively enlisted in the military the experience is exactly the opposite. <br><br>Unless you're aware, first hand, that one of the 122 Canadians who died serving our country were serving against their will or complaining, I don't know that they need a posthumous spokesperson saying they made a right or wrong choice; some might even consider it disrespectful that others are suggesting that their proud service, which may have benefited others, was a mistake. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/302630"><b>bluebaron2</b></A> : And I'm glad for them, and I think they deserve any and all benefits they receive from their service.<br>But for 122 Canadians it was a bad career move and I don't think their sacrifice should be trivialized as some sort of "carreer move". <br><small>--<br>bb2<br>      <br>Since I've given up hope I feel much better.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1095016"><b>urbanriot</b></A> : All of my friends that were or are currently peace keepers are quite happy with how things worked out. Two of them received their university degrees, paid for, while in the military and landed really cushy jobs after their tours. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/302630"><b>bluebaron2</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rifleman <A HREF="/useremail/u/949692"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I dunno---the military is looking like one hell of a wise career move. <br>One would think that one signing up for military duty understands there might be a risk to one's life involved. <br>One more overuse of the term "Hero"<br> </div>Except for the getting killed part of course.<br>But put that aside....and of course the low pay,<br>But put that aside as well....and the high stress levels leading to high levels of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome,<br>But put all those aside too.....and the being away from your family for extended periods,<br>But anyway ignore all of that, and I see what you mean.  :huh:<br><small>--<br>bb2<br>      <br>Since I've given up hope I feel much better.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/949692"><b>Rifleman</b></A> : I dunno---the military is looking like one hell of a wise career move. <br>One would think that one signing up for military duty understands there might be a risk to one's life involved. <br>One more overuse of the term "Hero"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1496487"><b>Stojko</b></A> : That's a great idea. They definitely deserve it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/961620"><b>IamGimli</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anav <A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Excellent initiative.</div>Agreed.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anav <A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The Federal gov't lumps military personnel with civil service personnel, so even if they wanted to take care of mil persons, the small cost would balloon out of control once psac unions smelled a windfal they could leach onto. (virtually impossible to create special benefits)    </div>Completely and utterly false. Military members, just like RCMP members, are specifically excluded from the public service and none of their benefits are shared. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/598807"><b>Robert</b></A> : It allows the children to get free post secondary education without the burden of of the costs.  It is a thank you for the soldier's ultimate sacrifice.<br><small>--<br>It's one thing to listen to an idiot talk. As soon as you respond, there are now 2 idiots having a conversation.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/231981"><b>capdjq</b></A> : Maybe I'm just being cynical. But big deal the children still don't have a father. Nothing can compensate. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/598807"><b>Robert</b></A> : MUN steps up to the plate<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=212&latest=1" >www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=&middot;&middot;&middot;latest=1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1388405"><b>elwoodblues</b></A> : Thats great the Feds, no matter what political stripe, have never done much for the vets.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  dirtyjeffer <A HREF="/useremail/u/589128"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>excellent idea...this is a great move to support those who have sacrificed the most.<br> </div>Absolutely marvelous idea. <br>I love it.I love it.I love it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:08:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/589128"><b>dirtyjeffer</b></A> : excellent idea...this is a great move to support those who have sacrificed the most.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/598807"><b>Robert</b></A> : I agree with the llama.  Bravo Zulu to U of Ottawa]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1409678"><b>peterboro1</b></A> : It's the least we can do.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><b>Anav</b></A> : Excellent initiative.  The Fed gov't has proven inept to take care of service people properly time and time again.   The Federal gov't lumps military personnel with civil service personnel, so even if they wanted to take care of mil persons, the small cost would balloon out of control once psac unions smelled a windfal they could leach onto. (virtually impossible to create special benefits)   Kudos to this guy for finding an avenue for support for these kids, their parent having made the ultimate sacrifice.<br><small>--<br>Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins". <br>Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla.  Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"<br><br><A HREF="http://www.llamaworks.ca">LlamaWorks Equipment</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/305096"><b>Kardinal</b></A> : I have to give credit to the University of Ottawa for stepping up on this initiative: free tuition for four years of an undergraduate degree to children (under the age of 26) of a Canadian soldier who is killed on duty.<br><br><A HREF="http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Life/Ottawa+offer+free+tuition+kids+fallen+soldiers/1744761/story.html">Ottawa Citizen story</a> (entire story is quoted as the Citizen often archives within only a few days)<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Kevin Reed is a man on a mission to get free university tuition for the children of Canada's fallen soldiers, an initiative he's dubbed Project Hero.<br><br>The Toronto-based businessman, who recently took on the role of honourary lieutenant-colonel of an army reserve unit in southwestern Ontario, is approaching schools one by one with the idea and so far he has a 100 per cent success rate.<br><br>"My perfect world, by this fall, is to have most, if not all, the Canadian universities on side for this," said Reed.<br><br>Reed was inspired to start Project Hero after talking to retired general Rick Hillier, the former chief of defence staff who stepped aside last year and became chancellor of his alma mater Memorial University in Newfoundland and Labrador. Hillier's plan of getting free tuition for the children of fallen soldiers is well on its way at Memorial, and Reed asked if he could run with the idea and bring it to his own alma mater, the University of Ottawa.<br><br>Allan Rock, president and vice-chancellor of the University of Ottawa, said the school was immediately attracted to the concept. It didn't take long for the school to approve the idea, and on Tuesday the university is formally announcing its free tuition offer.<br><br>"The men and women who put their lives on the line for us, as members of the armed forces, make an extraordinary contribution to Canada and Canadian life," Rock said in an interview. "It just seemed to me it was the least we could do to make sure that they didn't have to worry, that if something happened to them, their kids would have access to university without the burden of tuition fees."<br><br>The free tuition offer takes effect at the University of Ottawa this September. Children of soldiers killed while on duty who are under age 26, admitted to the university for undergraduate studies, and are Canadian citizens or permanent residents are eligible.<br><br>Rock, whose father was in the military, said he understands the risks that military families undertake and the importance of recognizing their commitment publicly. In addition to financially supporting military families, Rock said the free tuition offer is also a symbolic gesture.<br><br>"I hope it sends the message to all service personnel that we value and appreciate their services and sacrifice and that this is the least we can do to demonstrate recognition and gratification for what they are doing," said Rock, an alumnus of the University of Ottawa and former Liberal member of Parliament.<br><br>The university will waive tuition fees for a four-year undergraduate program and will cover one year in residence.<br><br>After securing the University of Ottawa's support, Reed carried on with his campaign and the University of Calgary and the University of Windsor have now both joined Project Hero and are working out the details of their offers.<br><br>Reed estimates there are about 30 or so military children, ranging from newborns to teenagers, who have had a parent killed since 2002. Canada's engagement in Afghanistan in 2002 is being used as the benchmark for eligibility but the free tuition would apply to the children of Canadian Forces members killed in any mission.<br><br>"My view is that these soldiers give the ultimate sacrifice and it's just a small part that I can do as not only the honourary lieutenant-colonel, but as a Canadian," said Reed. He is filling the volunteer position for the 31 Brigade, which includes the service units in London, Hamilton and Windsor, Ont.<br><br>"Any support we can give these families goes a long way."<br><br>The Department of National Defence does offer some assistance to the children of military members in the form of loans for post-secondary education but otherwise there is no widespread free tuition program like Project Hero.<br><br>Reed, who is originally from Belleville, Ont., has been spearheading the project mostly on his own but with the enthusiastic support he has received so far, and the University of Ottawa's formal announcement on Tuesday, word will likely spread quickly.<br><br>"Each school that I've dealt with has been so quick to accept and have been gracious in helping organize . . . that I'm so thankful to the schools," he said.<br>&copy; Copyright (c) Canwest News Service<hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br><i>The thoughts expressed in the above post are those of the poster, and can only be attributed to his state of mind at the time of posting.</i> <br>   <A HREF="/forum/folding"><b>Join Team Helix</b></a><br></small>]]></description>
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