Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | reply to Matt
Re: Why I like Windows Mobile. Maybe the Iphone is better (I haven't used it enough to compare) but I do like being able to run whatever apps I want without having to jailbreak my phone or kill my warranty.
It's nice to be able to play Super Nintendo on my cell phone. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Cogdis:I like Windows Mobile. Maybe the Iphone is better (I haven't used it enough to compare) but I do like being able to run whatever apps I want without having to jailbreak my phone or kill my warranty. It's nice to be able to play Super Nintendo on my cell phone. I've owned 2 WinMo phones (WInMo5, 6, and 6.1) and I can assure you, everything you can do on your WinMo phone, you can do on an iPhone, plus about a thousand other things. All in a much more elegant manner than the hackish WinMo apps. |
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said by ptrowski:Baby Shaker? That really shows a business case. Granted it was pulled after a few days, but how did it make it through in the first place? We all know it's an educational tool to show the effects of shaking babies to 1st year medical students.
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said by Matt:said by Cogdis:I like Windows Mobile. Maybe the Iphone is better (I haven't used it enough to compare) but I do like being able to run whatever apps I want without having to jailbreak my phone or kill my warranty. It's nice to be able to play Super Nintendo on my cell phone. I've owned 2 WinMo phones (WInMo5, 6, and 6.1) and I can assure you, everything you can do on your WinMo phone, you can do on an iPhone, plus about a thousand other things. All in a much more elegant manner than the hackish WinMo apps. That's amazing because everything you can do on the iPhone you can do on a Windows Mobile device. Name one thing that you can do on a iPhone that you can't do on a Windows Mobile device - outside of naming specific applications that do X Y or Z I am pretty sure that they both provide the same functionality. Wifi, bluetooth, 3G, video watching, audio playing, text editing... |
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said by ptrowski:Or you can jailbreak it and install Backgrounder that will allow you to run multiple tasks. Nice try on pumping up Windows Mobile though. I had a friend who had jailbroked (can anyone tell me what the past tense of "jailbreak" is?) his iPhone and he told me that the iPhone ran REALLY slow when he multi-tasked.
But with that aside, I'm glad you have to hack (and possibly void your warranty if something goes wrong) your phone just to get basic modern OS functionality  . Next thing you will be comparing the iPhone to DOS! |
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said by Matt:said by ptrowski:Nice try on pumping up Windows Mobile though. Someone has to, because it's a terrible, terrible OS. I this is:
Appeal to Belief
Anyone think differently? »www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Here is a link for you: »www.infidels.org/library/modern/···gic.html
Please next time construct an argument before just throwing "mud". How do you think I would look if I just said "The iPhone is a terrible OS" without making any claims to backup my statement? Pretty foolish no? |
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said by Matt:said by ptrowski:Nice try on pumping up Windows Mobile though. Someone has to, because it's a terrible, terrible OS. It's funny when people talk about next-generation mobile phone operating systems. Inevitably, they bring up the iPhone OS, Google Android, and Palm's WebOS. Windows Mobile isn't even considered (and, IMHO, it doesn't deserve to be).
Microsoft needs to step up Windows Mobile. Some of the best cell phone hardware is stuck running a kludge of a mobile operating system because of how unpolished that OS has become. Sure, you can buy a Windows Mobile phone from a hardware developer that has managed to develop a beautiful "skin" over it, but dig any deeper and Windows Mobile rears it's ugly head.
The Zune is interesting because it demonstrates that Microsoft knows how to make a good mobile media device with good software - personally I hope they *do* develop a worthy competitor to the "next-gen" phone OSes - the more choices the better.
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| said by gattaca:said by Matt:said by ptrowski:Nice try on pumping up Windows Mobile though. Someone has to, because it's a terrible, terrible OS. It's funny when people talk about next-generation mobile phone operating systems. Inevitably, they bring up the iPhone OS, Google Android, and Palm's WebOS. Windows Mobile isn't even considered (and, IMHO, it doesn't deserve to be). Microsoft needs to step up Windows Mobile. Some of the best cell phone hardware is stuck running a kludge of a mobile operating system because of how unpolished that OS has become. Sure, you can buy a Windows Mobile phone from a hardware developer that has managed to develop a beautiful "skin" over it, but dig any deeper and Windows Mobile rears it's ugly head. The Zune is interesting because it demonstrates that Microsoft knows how to make a good mobile media device with good software - personally I hope they *do* develop a worthy competitor to the "next-gen" phone OSes - the more choices the better. Is artwork really your only complaint about the OS?
On every XP computer I use I always flip the theme to classic. I can't stand flashy, just give me a simple GUI to do my job at the end of the day. Personally I would rather do everything in a terminal setting. In fact my coworker uses a mail client similar to mutt to read his email - now that I think is awesome and would do it if only people didn't send me attachments and other weird HTML stuff.
If you want flashy 6.5 is supposed to be "finger friendly" interface. |
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| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Personally I would rather do everything in a terminal setting. In this case I don't think we are even in a disagreement.
One of the characteristics I'm using to evaluate phone OSes is how intuitive and responsive the UI is. For me, this is a crucial aspect of using the phone. I own an iPhone because the UI methods of accomplishing tasks completely won me over.
If you prefer to do things in a manner by which the phone's UI is not important, then I completely understand your preference for Windows Mobile.
I will say, however, that it would serve Microsoft very well to develop a mobile OS that appeals to a wider audience. Would you agree that a much larger portion of the population would prefer an easy-to-use UI?
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| said by gattaca:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Personally I would rather do everything in a terminal setting. In this case I don't think we are even in a disagreement. One of the characteristics I'm using to evaluate phone OSes is how intuitive and responsive the UI is. For me, this is a crucial aspect of using the phone. I own an iPhone because the UI methods of accomplishing tasks completely won me over. If you prefer to do things in a manner by which the phone's UI is not important, then I completely understand your preference for Windows Mobile. I will say, however, that it would serve Microsoft very well to develop a mobile OS that appeals to a wider audience. Would you agree that a much larger portion of the population would prefer an easy-to-use UI? Considering the intelligence of an "average person", yeah they probably would need a good UI. To be honest I have never used the iPhone UI straight up - but I have tried a "clone" on my WM device (yes it's not the same "experience") but to be honest I didn't feel like it increased my ability to navigate to all the apps in my phone. My experience from this clone is that all apps have a shortcut that you finger scroll left or right and on your "home screen" you get a bunch of information (calendar, clock ect).
Now, I obviously don't know of all features of the iPhone but on the home screen can you make folders to organize your apps (such as Games, Office ect)? Or is it just any app you install just adds another shortcut that you finger scroll left or right for? |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by Matt:said by Cogdis:I like Windows Mobile. Maybe the Iphone is better (I haven't used it enough to compare) but I do like being able to run whatever apps I want without having to jailbreak my phone or kill my warranty. It's nice to be able to play Super Nintendo on my cell phone. I've owned 2 WinMo phones (WInMo5, 6, and 6.1) and I can assure you, everything you can do on your WinMo phone, you can do on an iPhone, plus about a thousand other things. All in a much more elegant manner than the hackish WinMo apps. That's amazing because everything you can do on the iPhone you can do on a Windows Mobile device. Name one thing that you can do on a iPhone that you can't do on a Windows Mobile device - outside of naming specific applications that do X Y or Z I am pretty sure that they both provide the same functionality. Wifi, bluetooth, 3G, video watching, audio playing, text editing... That's what you're not understanding, it *IS* the apps that make the difference. I didn't believe it either until I decided to get an iPhone because a Blackberry was too much money. Not only that, but the interface is light years ahead of WinMo. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Considering the intelligence of an "average person", yeah they probably would need a good UI. To be honest I have never used the iPhone UI straight up - but I have tried a "clone" on my WM device (yes it's not the same "experience") but to be honest I didn't feel like it increased my ability to navigate to all the apps in my phone. My experience from this clone is that all apps have a shortcut that you finger scroll left or right and on your "home screen" you get a bunch of information (calendar, clock ect). Now, I obviously don't know of all features of the iPhone but on the home screen can you make folders to organize your apps (such as Games, Office ect)? Or is it just any app you install just adds another shortcut that you finger scroll left or right for? (EDIT)
It's just not worth it. |
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| said by Matt:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Considering the intelligence of an "average person", yeah they probably would need a good UI. To be honest I have never used the iPhone UI straight up - but I have tried a "clone" on my WM device (yes it's not the same "experience") but to be honest I didn't feel like it increased my ability to navigate to all the apps in my phone. My experience from this clone is that all apps have a shortcut that you finger scroll left or right and on your "home screen" you get a bunch of information (calendar, clock ect). Now, I obviously don't know of all features of the iPhone but on the home screen can you make folders to organize your apps (such as Games, Office ect)? Or is it just any app you install just adds another shortcut that you finger scroll left or right for? What a ridiculously pompous, arrogant response. So because you feel everyone else is less intelligent than you, they need a UI whereas you don't? Give me a break.  You then go on to say the iPhone sucks because you used a "clone" on your WinMo phone and go even further to claim that you don't even understand one of the most basic functions of the phone? I suggest you go to an AT&T or Apple store and try one in person. Because right now, your opinion should be listed beside the word "ignorant" in Webster's, because it is an uneducated opinion. I wonder if the average person, who is obviously of less intelligence than you, would assume they need to actually use a device before forming their opinion on it? Well then someone needs to calm down. For one I did not say that "everyone else" was stupid. Way to take me out of context. And I didn't say the iPhone sucked because of the UI, again way to take me out of context.
A person doesn't need to use a device to comment on it, we have a technology that has been around for a long time called "video recording". And I can watch a "video recording" of another person using a device.
And attacking me only makes any argument you make weaker. I clearly stated that I didn't know and asked for clarification. You could have clarified what I didn't know and pointed me wrong.
And the "average person" is pretty unintelligent. Notice how I never said anyone on DSLR was an "average person". Admit it or not, but if you logically look at it...how many "average people" click on the "your PC is infected download this program to fix it", "click here for a free iPod" or fall for the "please wire me money to nigera" ect ect? Obviously enough to constitute people actually trying to pull the scams. Even people will download iWork knowing full well that it could be infected with a trojan. I consider that unintelligent.
Please, do not make personal attacks against me or another member it only makes you look foolish in retrospect - or is that DSLR etticate? Should I start saying that people smell?
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Now, can someone answer my original question at hand so we can start healthy arguments? |
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said by Matt:That's what you're not understanding, it *IS* the apps that make the difference. I didn't believe it either until I decided to get an iPhone because a Blackberry was too much money. Not only that, but the interface is light years ahead of WinMo. Your logic is flawed. I just compared prices:
(Price ranges fyi)
100 - 250 (plus a 30$ refurb is up for grabs!) for blackberries
80-200 $ for iPhones
Now with an iPhone you are REQUIRED to buy a data plan (and you can't take it off), with the blackberry its optional (at least on their site it will let me checkout without needing a data plan).
To do a "real" compare:
200$ for iPhone 3GS
200$ for Blackberry Bold
iPhone minimum plan: 39.99 voice + 30 data = ~70$/month
Blackberry minimum plan: 39.99 voice = ~40$/month
I'm no mathematician but I see the Blackberry as the cheaper choice. Same thing goes for Windows Mobile as the plan's cost the same (that goes for data, voice and texting).
All that aside I think that was a red herring: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_···_herring
First we were talking about Windows Mobile vs iPhone then you slip in the fact that you purchased an iPhone because a blackberry was too expensive, then you tell us the iPhone interface is better than Windows Mobile's. |
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| Yeah why the heck do we *have* to buy a data plan with an iPhone or G1?
I hate that. It drives the real cost up so much. The data plans for iPhones supposedly include the extra cost to AT&T for subsidizing phones on 2 year contracts... so why does *everyone* have to pay the same price? |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
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My logic is not flawed. When I got my iPhone it was $199 and the BlackBerry was $399. Since I need a data plan for email, that is a moot point. I settled for the iPhone and have come to find out it a very capable phone. Absolutely the best phone I've ever owned.
Glad I see the real reasoning for your apparent dislike on the iPhone though: »Re: sad |
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The iPhone 3.0 OS update introduced global integration of Spotlight search, which can also be used as an application launcher. Yes, there is an icon for each app distributed across a series of screens, but one only needs to begin typing a portion of the application's name for it be visible in the launcher.
To be fair, I don't think either of us is going to "convince" the other that their mobile OS choice is better. However, I have used a Windows Mobile phone and found the overall experience to be unpleasant. I don't mind having to delve into the terminal on my Mac, or having to compile software on my Ubuntu box, but when it comes to a mobile phone I really do appreciate one that "just works."
In this sense I think you and I are looking for something very different when it comes to mobile phones. Personally I find the Windows Mobile OS to be relatively archaic for the vast majority of users, but I cannot ignore the fact that some users such as yourself would prefer Windows Mobile for various reasons.
I think we can agree that we should all just buy whatever suits our own needs the best.
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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Putnam, CT
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Maybe you should be reminded about the fact that you can into yet another iPhone thread spewing your Windows Mobile rhetoric. Yes, you tried a clone. Great. But try using the actual phone. I have had a chance to try my brothers Tilt. He likes to change the skins etc, but it was to me a very clunky OS. I believe he has the Fuze now, and as it was compact, who needs a stylus these days?
Looke, we get it. You love Windows Mobile. But you are veering off talking about your PC, etc. Just leave well enough alone.
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n
Jailbroken, I believe |
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 EdG
@eastlink.ca | reply to gattaca
He stated "Move on, anon" My reply was that my moving on was not his decision to make.
Got 'er, now? |
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