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Re: [BC] Why does Telus throttle upload so much? Can you show me a link to those speeds and prices? I just wanna see how that works over there. |
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That describes NTT's HIKARI broadband network. Looks like they charge 5,460 Yen for a single dwelling service. But still, that's $65 CDN per month, about $10 to $12 more than what we pay for 15 Mbit Dry-DSL or cable Internet access, minus new subscribers. |
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| said by XT0RT:» flets.com/english/next/index.htmlThat describes NTT's HIKARI broadband network. Looks like they charge 5,460 Yen for a single dwelling service. But still, that's $65 CDN per month, about $10 to $12 more than what we pay for 15 Mbit Dry-DSL or cable Internet access, minus new subscribers. Looks like GPON, shared 1gbps service. Telus does have a couple of test areas, but there was speculation that the CRTC was going to force the company to share the fibre with its competitors. Between this and a lack of common standard between manufacturers mean that VDSL will be an interim step before FTTH. Anyone know anything else about the regulatory issues?
Population density of Japan: 337/Sqkm
Population density of Canada: 3.2/Sqkm
Alberta: 5.38 /sqkm
BC: 4.7/sqkm |
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2 edits | Please don't bring up that population thingy again, had that in another thread
Population density of Calgary: 1,435.5/km2 (3,717.9/sq mi
Three quarters of Canada's population lives within 150 kms of the border with the States, effectively reducing the area to roughly 400,000 sq. miles.
Canada's GDP 2008 : $1.5 Trillion
per capita : $45,000
Korea GDP 2008: just under $1 Trillion
Population 49 Million per capita GDP is less
France GDP 2008 : $2 Trillion
Population 65 Million GDP :so again less per capita
land area is 260,000 sq miles
Metropolitian areas are less dense then the top 10 Cities in Canada.
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1 edit | said by Muncher:Please don't bring up that population thingy again, had that in another thread Population density of Calgary: 1,435.5/km2 (3,717.9/sq mi Three quarters of Canada's population lives within 150 kms of the border with the States, effectively reducing the area to roughly 400,000 sq. miles. OK. Let's look at the population density of Canada within 150km of the States:
Assume the border is a scant 3000km. 3000km x 150km = 450 000sqkm. Population of Canada is 33,212,696.
33212696 x 0.75 / 450 000 = 55/sqkm.
Even ignoring the fact that Canada's ISP service many areas more then 150km North of the border, we still have 1/6th the population density of Japan in a cherry-picked area.
said by Muncher:Canada's GDP 2008 : $1.5 Trillion per capita : $45,000 Korea GDP 2008: just under $1 Trillion Population 49 Million per capita GDP is less France GDP 2008 : $2 Trillion Population 65 Million GDP :so again less per capita land area is 260,000 sq miles Metropolitian areas are less dense then the top 10 Cities in Canada. Per capita income is directly related to the cost of providing services. You would expect that countries with a lower average income will have cheaper internet access, since the employment costs are lower. |
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said by Telus Lurker:Population density of Japan: 337/Sqkm Population density of Canada: 3.2/Sqkm Alberta: 5.38 /sqkm BC: 4.7/sqkm Toronto: 3,972/km2 Pop: 2.5 million
Montreal: 4,439/km2 Pop: 1.6 million
Vancouver: 5,335/km2 Pop: 578,000
Calgary: 1,435.5/km2 Pop: 1 million
Edmonton: 1,099.4/km2 Pop: 782,000
We've got atleast 6 million people in very high density areas. Looks like a good place to start.
Lots of smaller cities like victoria, burnaby, surrey, richmond, etc., have density rates well over 1,000/km2 too. |
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So France has a lower average income compared to Canada? They make more, internet/TV/Phone cost 30.00 euros a month. (free.fr) |
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| said by Muncher:So France has a lower average income compared to Canada? They make more, internet/TV/Phone cost 30.00 euros a month. (free.fr) I don't believe we were talking about individual cities..I'm sure I just mentioned countries, unless Calgary just seceded from Canada.  Yes..of course they have mountains and such..not to the vast extent Canada does. Canada is huge...second only to Russia. |
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| Actually according to landmass we, Canada are number 4. Most of our area is water. |
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| really? I'm sure it cost more to go around or under all that water, when placing cable. Which was my point to begin with. |
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Actually, according to landmass, Canada is still second to Russia.
»www.cia.gov/library/publications···de=na#CA
Nice try though.
Also, the whole 150km from the border thing is bullshit. The biggest costs in running optical cable will be the last mile. High density generally alleviates this because the costs can be recouped quickly.
If TELUS were to blanket Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver and Victoria they could recoup their costs rather quickly. The fact they could completely destroy Shaw's speed dominance would be a nice win for TELUS.
I think TELUS should create a company whose sole purpose is to expand fiber everywhere. Then lease it from their own company. This mainly serves to circumvent the mandatory sharing of lines. This company can lease lines and charge for each install to TELUS and have a contract stipulating that TELUS is their sole customer.
Frankly, I think if TELUS were to spend the money on the line and another company were to start servicing the end user, that new company should have the onus to pay the remainder of the installation costs off.
For example: if a GPON connection costs a grand to my apartment and I have TELUS for 2 years but want to switch, in that two years TELUS may have set aside 20/month towards the installation costs. Now we're at $480 of that 1000 being paid off. But if I go to Teksavvy GPON, now TS should have to pay the rest of the $520 off.
GPON is pretty much necessary for TELUS to compete in the long run. Twisted pair only has so much steam left in it. VDSL2 can hit about 100Mbps real world with providers offering about 10Mbps up in Germany.
TELUS is getting into triple play phone/internet/tv in a big way and TV is a hard sell to people with more than one HDTV. Also you can't PVR shows and watch another one simultaneously (I think, this may have changed). Essentially, TELUS has to start offering FiOS. |
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