What??? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22633684 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:43:14 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:43:14 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638213 dvd536 :
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
Thats a common misconception among people on this site. Low income areas were among the first, and most widespread, to get FIOS. The whole "redlining" nonsense is just a bunch of propaganda to get peoples feathers ruffled. Ignore all those comments, they simply arent true.
Sometimes you have to run THROUGH the ghetto to GET to the affluent areas.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638213 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:27:42 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638211 dvd536 :
said by Phil See Profile :

Well one necessity my wife and I had when buying our home was no HOA. I guess that could also be categorized as an amenity. ;)
you bet!
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638211 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:26:32 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638210 dvd536 :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
Sometimes you have to run THROUGH the ghetto to GET to the affluent areas.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22638210 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:25:49 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22637048 wifi4milez :
said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

They cherry picking areas of highest return while selling off the rest of their territory to cheap knockoffs who will never have the money to upgrade their network for their customers.
Clearly you dont own a business, nor do you have any experience running one. You arent even talking about the same thing as the rest of us! So-called "cherry picking" has absolutely nothing to do with selling the unprofitable portions of a businesses assets.

If you one day end up in the position that you own/run/control a business you will look back on your silly comments and (hopefully!) laugh. Part of what makes America so great is that if a business wants to sell unprofitable/undesirable/(fill in the blank) assets it can; this isnt the Soviet Union and we thankfully have that option.
--
"You're Welcome"
-The United States of America and our Armed Forces-
Keeping the world safe since 1776
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22637048 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:57 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22637001 sonicmerlin : They cherry picking areas of highest return while selling off the rest of their territory to cheap knockoffs who will never have the money to upgrade their network for their customers. They do all of this while being essentially a monopoly or part of a duopoly in those area. *That* is what makes people angry.

Look at the whole mess in Vermont with Fairpoint customers. They're experiencing an absolute nightmare during the transition. Long periods of dropped access, being billed multiple times for services they never used, waiting excessively long (as in months) for service to be set up all the while being billed during the waiting period. And now Fairpoint is on the edge of bankruptcy.

Verizon was able to shed a ton of debt while leaving their Vermont customers in the dirt.

That really, really makes consumers upset.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22637001 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:11:55 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636116 wifi4milez :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I'm a fairly dense, middle class man, which made me an ideal target for FiOS. :)
There you go, the perfect FIOS customer! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636116 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:59:15 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635688 jmn1207 : Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I'm a fairly dense, middle class man, which made me an ideal target for FiOS. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635688 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:32:21 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635549 wifi4milez :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Fair enough, I'm not familiar with how it works. It seems that your perspective is coming from a very dense population, whereas my point of view is from a suburban sprawl with only an occasional income-assisted apartment or two here and there. It's very easy to avoid low-income serving CO's when you step outside of the megalopolis of the NY region.
Even within the NYC metro, the areas that got FIOS first were all lower income than Manhattan.

said by jmn1207 See Profile :


Do these FTTH-equipped ghettos share CO's with any fabulously wealthy residents?
No

said by jmn1207 See Profile :


I know that they seemingly built the new Yankee's stadium smack in the middle of some of the poorest (relatively speaking) neighborhoods. Certainly a project of that magnitude would have allowed for more options than would have probably been afforded otherwise.
The new Yankee Stadium is built right next to the old one, its the exact same neighborhood.

said by jmn1207 See Profile :


Still, unless Verizon is lighting up small towns in central Mississippi, it would seem that they are looking for rich folks first, and due to geography and urban density, stragglers may find themselves with superior potential, even if they can't afford it.
Not really. FIOS rollout is based on a few things;
1) Density
2) Propensity to purchase
3) Cost to rollout

So yes, they (Verizon) are of course looking for the highest rate of return. However, there are many high income areas that dont have FIOS simply because the costs/density ratio isnt yet where it needs to be. I would suspect the ideal target for a FIOS rollout is a fairly dense, middle class area.

said by jmn1207 See Profile :


It just seems like good business sense to me. Where is it easiest to build that can handle the speeds and make us some money? Am I to believe the build out is completely random and totally subjective with regards to income class? There may be a few exceptions that can be dug up, but if Verizon is not even looking at the median income range where they are deploying a service that typically runs well over $100 each month, perhaps they could improve their subscriber numbers if they changed their strategy a bit?

In any event, clearly this survey did not include a great number of ghetto dwellers, as such things as landscaping, swimming pools, and home automation were at the top of the list. I realize our government seems to be running amok with our tax money, but I can't believe a ghetto is some posh, highfallutin resort with pools, garden gnomes, and 35Mbps symmetrical internet service. Oy!
Clearly Verizon isnt going to roll out FIOS to a shanty town somewhere under the freeway. The point is that if Verizon can get an acceptable rate of return they will be all over a build, regardless of who lives in the serving area.
--
"You're Welcome"
-The United States of America and our Armed Forces-
Keeping the world safe since 1776
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635549 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:06:39 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635420 jmn1207 : Fair enough, I'm not familiar with how it works. It seems that your perspective is coming from a very dense population, whereas my point of view is from a suburban sprawl with only an occasional income-assisted apartment or two here and there. It's very easy to avoid low-income serving CO's when you step outside of the megalopolis of the NY region.

Do these FTTH-equipped ghettos share CO's with any fabulously wealthy residents? I know that they seemingly built the new Yankee's stadium smack in the middle of some of the poorest (relatively speaking) neighborhoods. Certainly a project of that magnitude would have allowed for more options than would have probably been afforded otherwise. Still, unless Verizon is lighting up small towns in central Mississippi, it would seem that they are looking for rich folks first, and due to geography and urban density, stragglers may find themselves with superior potential, even if they can't afford it.

It just seems like good business sense to me. Where is it easiest to build that can handle the speeds and make us some money? Am I to believe the build out is completely random and totally subjective with regards to income class? There may be a few exceptions that can be dug up, but if Verizon is not even looking at the median income range where they are deploying a service that typically runs well over $100 each month, perhaps they could improve their subscriber numbers if they changed their strategy a bit?

In any event, clearly this survey did not include a great number of ghetto dwellers, as such things as landscaping, swimming pools, and home automation were at the top of the list. I realize our government seems to be running amok with our tax money, but I can't believe a ghetto is some posh, highfallutin resort with pools, garden gnomes, and 35Mbps symmetrical internet service. Oy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22635420 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:40:52 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634773 wifi4milez :
said by OwlSaver See Profile :

I worked for AT&T many years ago. Any change we made at that time were based on engineering decisions and capital cost constraints. So, when a CO that served the suburbs and the inner city (there are many of these areas) was upgraded, everyone got the upgrade.

I have always assumed that FiOS is being rolled out the same way. I doubt that the engineers could even come up with a way to redline. I also doubt that Senior Management would condone such a plan.

Just my 2 Cents.
FIOS is/was rolled out exactly the same way. Redlining is a myth, constantly regurgitated on this website by the "down with America" crowd whenever its a slow news day. They need something to whine about, and GWB is no longer in office, so they make up nonsense about "redlining". Its pitiful, you would serve yourself well to simply ignore them as its just a phase. Tomorrow they will be crying about some other made up situation....
--
"You're Welcome"
-The United States of America and our Armed Forces-
Keeping the world safe since 1776
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634773 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:45:58 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634661 FloridaBoy : Just to follow up on that, Manatee County put provisions in their video contract with Verizon that they had to serve x-number of households by certain dates.

I assume other places might be different but you never know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634661 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:25:57 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634473 OwlSaver : I worked for AT&T many years ago. Any change we made at that time were based on engineering decisions and capital cost constraints. So, when a CO that served the suburbs and the inner city (there are many of these areas) was upgraded, everyone got the upgrade.

I have always assumed that FiOS is being rolled out the same way. I doubt that the engineers could even come up with a way to redline. I also doubt that Senior Management would condone such a plan.

Just my 2 Cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634473 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:59:52 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634174 Eat Me :
said by Blast 420 See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
The ghetto here in Tampa has FTTH.
And so does the Bronx.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634174 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:15:45 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634110 Luminaris : We gots fiber mayne]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634110 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:07:46 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634089 wifi4milez :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
Thats a common misconception among people on this site. Low income areas were among the first, and most widespread, to get FIOS. The whole "redlining" nonsense is just a bunch of propaganda to get peoples feathers ruffled. Ignore all those comments, they simply arent true.
--
"You're Welcome"
-The United States of America and our Armed Forces-
Keeping the world safe since 1776
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634089 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:04:56 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633943 Phil : Well one necessity my wife and I had when buying our home was no HOA. I guess that could also be categorized as an amenity. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633943 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:46:24 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633873 Blast 420 : That or Fiber To Tha Homiez :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633873 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:37:14 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633839 Opticwonders : Hehe, thats funny :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633839 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:32:43 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633832 PapaMidnight :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
On the contrary...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633832 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:32:06 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633796 digitalfreak :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
Would that be Fiber To Tha Hood?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633796 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:27:39 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633787 Blast 420 :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto.
The ghetto here in Tampa has FTTH.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633787 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:27:04 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633723 baineschile : What other "amenities" come with a house? Communitys with pools and tennis courts i can see, but those are usually paid for with HOA fees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633723 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:19:43 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633717 Hazy Arc : Yeah...was using a bit of hyperbole, but it still seems odd that FTTH would weigh that heavily.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633717 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:18:44 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633704 jmn1207 : Well, that's another thing about FTTH, they ain't bringing it out to the ghetto. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633704 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:16:41 EDT Re: What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633702 kxrm :
said by Hazy Arc See Profile :

quote:
According to the survey, 82% of home buyers who've had FTTH elsewhere rank FTTH as the leading real estate amenity


I find that extremely hard to believe.

"Well, this house is missing a roof and is in the middle of the ghetto, but by golly it has fiber! I'll take it!!!!1111111"
I believe that they are referring to amenities not necessities in this study.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633702 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:16:25 EDT What??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633684 Hazy Arc :
quote:
According to the survey, 82% of home buyers who've had FTTH elsewhere rank FTTH as the leading real estate amenity


I find that extremely hard to believe.

"Well, this house is missing a roof and is in the middle of the ghetto, but by golly it has fiber! I'll take it!!!!1111111"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22633684 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:13:24 EDT