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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to jmn1207
Re: What??? said by jmn1207:Fair enough, I'm not familiar with how it works. It seems that your perspective is coming from a very dense population, whereas my point of view is from a suburban sprawl with only an occasional income-assisted apartment or two here and there. It's very easy to avoid low-income serving CO's when you step outside of the megalopolis of the NY region. Even within the NYC metro, the areas that got FIOS first were all lower income than Manhattan.
said by jmn1207:Do these FTTH-equipped ghettos share CO's with any fabulously wealthy residents? No
said by jmn1207:I know that they seemingly built the new Yankee's stadium smack in the middle of some of the poorest (relatively speaking) neighborhoods. Certainly a project of that magnitude would have allowed for more options than would have probably been afforded otherwise. The new Yankee Stadium is built right next to the old one, its the exact same neighborhood.
said by jmn1207:Still, unless Verizon is lighting up small towns in central Mississippi, it would seem that they are looking for rich folks first, and due to geography and urban density, stragglers may find themselves with superior potential, even if they can't afford it. Not really. FIOS rollout is based on a few things;
1) Density
2) Propensity to purchase
3) Cost to rollout
So yes, they (Verizon) are of course looking for the highest rate of return. However, there are many high income areas that dont have FIOS simply because the costs/density ratio isnt yet where it needs to be. I would suspect the ideal target for a FIOS rollout is a fairly dense, middle class area.
said by jmn1207:It just seems like good business sense to me. Where is it easiest to build that can handle the speeds and make us some money? Am I to believe the build out is completely random and totally subjective with regards to income class? There may be a few exceptions that can be dug up, but if Verizon is not even looking at the median income range where they are deploying a service that typically runs well over $100 each month, perhaps they could improve their subscriber numbers if they changed their strategy a bit? In any event, clearly this survey did not include a great number of ghetto dwellers, as such things as landscaping, swimming pools, and home automation were at the top of the list. I realize our government seems to be running amok with our tax money, but I can't believe a ghetto is some posh, highfallutin resort with pools, garden gnomes, and 35Mbps symmetrical internet service. Oy! Clearly Verizon isnt going to roll out FIOS to a shanty town somewhere under the freeway. The point is that if Verizon can get an acceptable rate of return they will be all over a build, regardless of who lives in the serving area.
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Ashburn, VA | Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I'm a fairly dense, middle class man, which made me an ideal target for FiOS.  | | |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by jmn1207:Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I'm a fairly dense, middle class man, which made me an ideal target for FiOS. There you go, the perfect FIOS customer! | |
| They cherry picking areas of highest return while selling off the rest of their territory to cheap knockoffs who will never have the money to upgrade their network for their customers. They do all of this while being essentially a monopoly or part of a duopoly in those area. *That* is what makes people angry.
Look at the whole mess in Vermont with Fairpoint customers. They're experiencing an absolute nightmare during the transition. Long periods of dropped access, being billed multiple times for services they never used, waiting excessively long (as in months) for service to be set up all the while being billed during the waiting period. And now Fairpoint is on the edge of bankruptcy.
Verizon was able to shed a ton of debt while leaving their Vermont customers in the dirt.
That really, really makes consumers upset. | |
wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by sonicmerlin:They cherry picking areas of highest return while selling off the rest of their territory to cheap knockoffs who will never have the money to upgrade their network for their customers. Clearly you dont own a business, nor do you have any experience running one. You arent even talking about the same thing as the rest of us! So-called "cherry picking" has absolutely nothing to do with selling the unprofitable portions of a businesses assets.
If you one day end up in the position that you own/run/control a business you will look back on your silly comments and (hopefully!) laugh. Part of what makes America so great is that if a business wants to sell unprofitable/undesirable/(fill in the blank) assets it can; this isnt the Soviet Union and we thankfully have that option.
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