Topic 'Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV?' in forum 'Verizon Fiber Optics' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637359 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:14:41 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:14:41 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121542 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121542 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:59:39 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121209 said by DickyDck:

well, still no luck.
The FAQ that More Fiber pointed out shows the hierarchy of steps to take for success releasing the WAN IP. Rebooting the ONT is almost at the bottom of that list. Calling FSC *is* at the bottom of that list.

Since you had problems getting FSC to release previously, there's one more. Disconnect the router for a length of time. IP lease is usually two hours. Letting that lease expire *and* someone else picking up the old address is the combination that will ensure success when you turn your router back on. It depends on how busy the aggregating link is higher than the CO.

If you are forced to use that method, you may want to let a significant amount of time pass. I'm thinking overnight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121209 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:24:22 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121157 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121157 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:12:37 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121049 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23121049 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:55:29 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23120619 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23120619 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:47:39 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23103301
It is imperative that you both:
•Release the DHCP lease
•Immediately disconnect the Actiontec to prevent it from reacquiring a new DHCP lease.

»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »How do I release my DHCP lease]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23103301 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:32 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23102226
As More Fiber had previously stated you should not need to clone the MAC address. If you're still not getting a connection through your server make sure you release the IP from your router. If that still doesn't work, an ONT reboot should do the trick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23102226 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:31:21 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23101814 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23101814 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:24:36 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23095768 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23095768 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:35:45 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23093358 said by DickyDck:

I have checked to two links you provided and there is much helpful information in there, but nothing particularly for me in my situation. You're right. There is nothing in the Trade-offs FAQ regarding switching to cat5, internet only. It is covered in detail the following FAQs:
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »Replacing the Actiontec (part 1): Coax to Ethernet
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »Replacing the Actiontec (part 2): Internet only, no TV
said by DickyDck:

I call Verizon up, ask to be switched over to RJ45 from the ONT, I run the Cat5e cable myself into my house. I spoof the external NIC on my server to the MAC address that was owned by the Actiontec Router, and set it to Obtain IP Address Automatically.
•Run the cat5 first.
•Connect the cat5 to the ONT and to the Actiontec while you are still running over the coax.
That way, the switch-over will be transparent with only a momentary interruption.
•Then call VZ, or post in »Verizon Direct
If you call, you may or may not reach a CSR that understands the request. Often callers are told a truck roll is required ($$), which is not true. In the first link above, there is suggested verbiage to say to the CSR if you call. The VZ direct folks will have no problem with your request, but turn around may be a couple of days.

There is usually no need to clone the MAC address of the VZ router. When you connection is switched, VZ will release the DHCP lease for the coax connection.

Once your WAN connection to the Actiontec has been switched to cat5, check your WAN speeds on the Actiontec to make sure everything is provisioned and working correctly. If there are problems (unlikely), it is mush easier to resolve them with VZ while you are still running on the Actiontec. Once you are satisfied everything is working correctly, then go ahead and switch the cat5 connection from the Actiontec to your firewall/router. Be sure to release the DHCP address on the Actiontec and then immediately disconnect it, before moving the WAN connection to your firewall.

said by DickyDck:

Cable from the ONT to my Server/NIC would need to be Crossover correct?
You should not need a crossover cable. Nearly all 100Mbps interfaces support Auto-MDIX, so a straight-through cat5 cable should be fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23093358 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:12:19 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23093197 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23093197 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:12:56 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23091463
PS Cable from the ONT to my Server/NIC would need to be Crossover correct? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23091463 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:40:31 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23089237 said by DickyDck:

could I just plug it directly into the back of my server/firewall and have it take the public IP? I do not have FiOS TV service. In a word, yes.

This is asked so often, there is an FAQ for it. :)
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »Do I have to use the supplied router with Verizon FiOS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23089237 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:09:37 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23088997 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-23088997 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:42:46 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22651409
You CAN install your own router/wireless access point between the fiber terminal and the VZ supplied router. As long as the VZ router can get an ip address, you are good.

If you have data problems, you will most likely be asked to restore the VZ supplied router. However, to prove the point that the problem I was having was ouside of my house, I set up my laptop as the only data connection. When I got the same problem as before, (actually three different laptops, 2 different operating systems, and their router were tried. At this point they grudgingly accepted the FACT that the problem was incoming to the house.

-- Doc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22651409 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:26:31 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641439 said by roveer:

I'm starting to think the installed may have told me that I'd have to put my AT back in place if I went with TV. There is also the issue that a non-VZ router as primary is an "unsupported" configuration. If you call the FSC for support, you will need to restore the Actiontec as primary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641439 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:42:12 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641428
Roveer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641428 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:38:39 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641424 said by JohnA:

The AT (or Westell) must stay in the set up some way if you have TV (to get the data), in order for the guide, VOD, and widgets to work, since they arrive at the STB from the AT by MOCA, over the coax, in all cases.A small clarification.

If you run your own router as primary, you need a MOCA bridge to allow the LAN traffic to flow from your router to/from the STBs on the coax. The MOCA bridge can be an Actiontec or Westell router, a NIM-100, or one of the new MOCA bridges that have recently come on the market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641424 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:37:58 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641293 said by roveer:

I have been told by a number of FIOS techs that when using a residential ONT (the type with 2 phone lines a coax connector and an RJ45) that if you are going to have FIOS TV with set top boxes than your actiontec router needs to be connected via the coax not the RJ45. Is this true?
The coax connection to the AT is necessary for the guide, VOD, and widgets to work on the STBs because they come to you in the data stream, and travel by MOCA over the coax from the AT to the STBs.

It doesn't matter if the AT is primary, or a secondary router, as long as the IP stream reaches it in some way to get the data for those 3 functions to the STBs.

Your data stream (internet) can come into you by either cat5e or coax, BUT NOT BOTH at the same time.

Cat5e is the most flexible, because it provides the capability to have any router as the primary router, as long as the data also can reach the AT.

Coax is the simplest (to install) as 1) your data comes in by MOCA over the coax to the AT, 2) your TV comes in over coax to the STBs, and 3) the guide, VOD, and widgets go from the AT to the STBs by MOCA over the coax. No cat5e needed.

So, it doesn't matter if your data connection is over coax or cat5e, unless you want to run your own router as primary (you need cat5e).

The AT (or Westell) must stay in the set up some way if you have TV (to get the data), in order for the guide, VOD, and widgets to work, since they arrive at the STB from the AT by MOCA, over the coax, in all cases.

The phones are a straight up cat3 or better connection from the ONT to your home phone wiring.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641293 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:13:05 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641182 said by roveer:

I really don't know why the tech didn't just kill the RJ45, provision for MOCA and connect the actiontec via moca.

I do remember the tech telling me that if I got TV than I'd have to switch over to MOCA, but it seems that this may not be necessary. Since the cat5 connection to the Actiontec was already in place, there was no need to remove it. Had you asked the tech to change the WAN provisioning from cat5 to MOCA, I'm sure he would have done so. No doubt he left the cat5 connection in place, because most users that have a cat5 connection want to run their own router (and it was less work for him).

There is absolutely no difference in functionality between a cat5 connection or a MOCA connection to the Actiontec. Where cat5 verses MOCA comes into play, is when you want to run your own router instead of the Actiontec. In that case, if you have a MOCA connection, you either have to bridge the Actiontec, or put your router behind the Actiontec. With a cat5 connection, you have a choice of connecting the Actiontec as primary, or your own router as primary. There is a list of considerations for running your own router here:
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22641182 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:55:04 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22640757
This configuration seems somewhat confusing to me. I really don't know why the tech didn't just kill the RJ45, provision for MOCA and connect the actiontec via moca. Now he's got both connected to the ONT which seems like the hard way to achieve the same thing. While I wanted RJ45 in the beginning, I didn't require it once I added TV.

That being said...

In my home right now I've got FIOS for phone and internet and made them provision me for RJ45. I use a checkpoint UTM router in place of the actiontec for a few specialized VPN type applications (site to site). I do remember the tech telling me that if I got TV than I'd have to switch over to MOCA, but it seems that this may not be necessary.

I've also got another installation (621 ONT site) where I've got RJ45 provisioned with a checkpoint as the firewall. I've got the actiontec connected to it via a RJ45 port in my switch and then the actiontec backfeeds the coax to give the 4 STB's IPG (or at least that how I thought it was working). VOD seems to work, but I always thought that it might be limited by the bandwidth of my package (which is 20/20). That location never does any VOD so it has not been an issue. Still a little unclear on whether the actiontec is feeding internet to the coax in this setup. Can post a diagram if we would like to continue this discussion.

Like I said, I was a little confused by the double connection in my most recent install, but if others have it done that way than I'm not going to stir the pot. Just seems a little strange.

Roveer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22640757 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:31:54 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22638291 said by More Fiber:

The WAN connection to the Actiontec can be either cat5 or coax. VZ's standard install is coax only, since it means running only one cable (coax) from the ONT to the main splitter and then to the Actiontec.
And, until they used up their inventory of Tellabs 611 ONTs, ethernet was the WAN data connection. The 612 was the first one in my area that had the MoCA WAN.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22638291 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:21:30 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637877 said by roveer:

Was this to backfeed the coax with internet connectivity for the STB's ? Haven't see you post in a while. Welcome back.

You are exactly correct. If your WAN connection is on cat5, the coax is used to backfeed the MOCA LAN to the STBs.

The WAN connection to the Actiontec can be either cat5 or coax. VZ's standard install is coax only, since it means running only one cable (coax) from the ONT to the main splitter and then to the Actiontec.

The STBs do not communicate directly with the ONT for guide data, VOD or widgets. All requests go across the MOCA LAN to the router, then out from the router over the WAN connection. The Actiontec does not care if the WAN connection is cat5 or coax. It will automatically detect which one is active.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637877 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:31:17 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637675 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637675 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:07:30 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637576 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637576 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:37:29 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637496 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637496 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:13:24 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637453 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637453 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:00:50 EDT Re: Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637416
The set up can be done either way. The advantage of having RJ45 is that you can use the FAQs setup on here to use your own router to get passed some of the Actiontec's limitation.

This is a very common setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637416 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:51:21 EDT Does the actiontec need to be MOCA when also using FIOS TV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637359
The reasoning was that the STB's got program guide information through MOCA and if your internet was provisioned through RJ45 than IPG would not work (or VOD for that matter).

That was my understanding until today...

We are finishing up a residence (I'm a homebuilder) and we had installed FIOS a few months back. Initially for phone and internet. I had the internet provisioned as RJ45 since it was easier for me at the time to route the actiontec upstairs on cat5 during construction.

Today the FIOS tech came to deliver and active a bunch of STB's for TV service. When I asked the question "will you have to switch my internet over to MOCA?" He replied NO, you can keep it on RJ45. Strangly enough after he left I found the actiontec connected to the ONT with RJ45 (as it originally was), AND he had also connected it to the coax plant as well. I have not seen this configuration before. Was this to backfeed the coax with internet connectivity for the STB's or was the tech confused? Since the electronics company controlled the install I really don't know what they did, but I want to understand why this install today differs so much from what I have been told in the past.

Interested in everyone's thoughts on this one. Like I've said, never seen an actiontec connected to an ONT with RJ45 AND Coax.

Ideas?

Roveer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Does-the-actiontec-need-to-be-MOCA-when-also-using-FIOS-TV-22637359 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:39:10 EDT