said by ScottMo :

Not to derail the thread, but if one scored a 20 on an IQ test that tells them they're a dumb as a brick

said by IT Guy :

Fixed it for you.

said by cmcasey79 :

I wish Mozilla has the cahones cajones to do that and then open source their work.

said by Mele20 :

If Microsoft cared about all internet users, it would have proper accessibility for IE8. It doesn't though and I cannot use any IE version if I need to type in a text box like this one I am typing in now. IE zoom feature is worthless because it does not enlarge the font inside a text box. I can't read that tiny font. Yes, I could get a SLIGHT enlargement by making all other text on the page extremely gigantic. Then I can't read the thread above the reply box, etc. On any other browser that I use I can set a minimum font size and that font size is used in a reply box as well as for the rest of the text on the page. IE (all versions) does NOT meet Accessibility standards. Firefox and Opera browsers do. Opera is magnificent in this regard. It has fit to page feature which Fx desperately needs for Accessibility.

IE8 has to be run in compatibility mode for ALL sites or it crashes constantly. I don't see how that is an improvement. IE8 on Vista has horrible GUI problems and Microsoft (after repeated calls and many hours of troubleshooting) told me to revert permanently to IE7 on Vista. I don't see how that makes IE such a great browsers. I had no way on IE8 on Vista to change anything in the Security tab or Advanced tab. On XP, the GUI on those tabs is all wrong but I discovered I could make changes by clicking or doubleclicking on the item but then I can't see what I changed it to.

IE8's address bar is unreadable because I cannot bold it. Another reason why I cannot use IE8. I could go on and on about the myriad of problems with IE8 but I'll stop.

said by UnnDunn :

Unfortunately for "them", Microsoft actually conducts its own research into how real people use IE and what they want from it, and Microsoft builds IE based on that, not what a handful of Microsoft-haters think.

In my view, IE8 is the best day-to-day browser there is. It is the only browser that is at once fast, mature, robust, stable, secure and compatible with nearly everything on the web today. It doesn't excel at any one thing, but it does everything well enough. Every other browser focuses on one or two things at the expense of everything else; Chrome and Safari are fast but immature, Firefox is highly customizable but gets slow and bloated, and Opera is just weird.

If you want me to switch to another browser for day-to-day usage, show me one that hits all the marks. For a while, when IE was horrible, Firefox was that browser. Now IE8 is good enough that Firefox is no longer needed.

said by amungus :

Cypherstream also has a great point - "It's just great that there's choices out there."

Even if we disagree on a couple things, it's awesome that we agree on some others and can see each others points - DSLR just rocks!

Have a safe and happy weekend everyone!

said by cypherstream :

I have to say that every home users computer I've worked with on the side had tons of malware, and only one browser... IE.

Clean the puppy up, install Firefox, make it the default browser, teach the user how to use it, and no more repeat visits.

However, clean the malware, send it back as is, and 9 times out of 10, there's more malware on there within a month.

said by geekamongus :

WaSP is all about pushing the W3C's standards, which the Acid3 test is based on. They aren't making up their own.

said by urbanriot :

When did WaSP become the consortium that dictated web standards? What about W3C?

said by Leathal :

I refuse to upgrade my machines, and my client machines to IE8 as it breaks a lot websites including ones written in Java, sure you can run it in compatibility mode but it doesn't make sense to do that vs keeping IE7 installed

said by cypherstream :

Was just curious how a browser by such a huge organization doesn't follow web standards.

said by amungus :

IE still has proprietary rendering, is tied directly to the guts of its host OS, and as evidenced by this somewhat biased test, still can't figure out how to handle well documented, open standards that other browsers are pretty capable of handling.

said by brandon :

Aww, did someone tell you the IQ test only goes to 100 to make you feel better?

said by Cabal :

»New Firefox standard combats Cross-Site Scripting

said by SvS :

You'll have to turn of InPrivate-Browsing and allow the MSXML3 Addon to be executed to achieve the 20/100 result.

I don't know what this discussion is about, even the wikipedia article outlines what the goal of the Acid3 test is. Some people here disable the features tested even when using a "compliant" browser.

said by Freddy :

When you score 20 of 100 in an IQ test, what does that tell you about yourself? In my view, it likely, tells you little to nothing.

said by cypherstream :

No, it's even worse!

said by XBL2009 :

The big question is how does this actually affect the average user from day to day?

Probably not much.

said by Matt :

Amen.

I yearn for the days when MS went at it alone and developed their own standards. I wish Mozilla has the cahones to do that and then open source their work. The web exploded and all sorts of new neat things were developed. What have we gotten since MS was smacked by the regulatory agencies? A crappier JVM, Flash everything, and a horribly slow Javascript implementation. All in the name of "standards." I wish someone would take the ball and run with it, standards be damned.

said by cmcasey79 :

I've read MS team blogs saying IE8,5 or IE9 (whatever they call it) will focus more on new "standards", so hopefully it will score better. When you have a huge majority of marketshare though, you kind of become the "standard" that people have to code for i guess.

said by cmcasey79 :

If i took my car to a mechanic because it wasn't running right, and he gave me a different car back, i wouldn't be very impressed.

said by Matt :

Amen.

I yearn for the days when MS went at it alone and developed their own standards. I wish Mozilla has the cahones to do that and then open source their work.

said by cmcasey79 :

I always to love that "experts" put firefox on a system to "fix" internet explorer crashing or having an issue. If i took my car to a mechanic because it wasn't running right, and he gave me a different car back, i wouldn't be very impressed.

said by Freddy :

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So, the bottom line meaning of these test scores is what?

When you score 20 of 100 in an IQ test, what does that tell you about yourself? In my view, it likely, tells you little to nothing. If such a test score would be meaningful, all we would need to do it to take a test to determine our worth. Won't happen! BTW, it tells you you scored 20 out of 100..

said by cypherstream :

Was just curious how a browser by such a huge organization doesn't follow web standards.

said by mike31mets :

Btw I upgraded to FF3.5 and got the same score on the acid test. I would have figured it would have been higher. I assume you're using 3.0.x still?