jig
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| Do your own CA budget
check it:
»www.latimes.com/news/local/la-st···tmlstory
broad strokes, but here's mine:
»www.latimes.com/news/local/la-st···7/20/21/
cut some things, some of which will be fought in court. didn't do anything that would require debt/payback, as far as the list allowed. raised taxes, stuck it to the man.
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sholling
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2 edits | Keeping in mind that the Time's list isn't close to comprehensive here's my swing at it. Add in eliminating all consultants and selling more oil leases, and cutting wasteful and unnecessary programs that the times does not list and you have a surplus and room for a tax cut.
»www.latimes.com/news/local/la-st···17/0/10/
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bobrk
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I got it down to $3 billion.
»www.latimes.com/news/local/la-st···7/40/50/
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sholling
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| Well we all know that increasing taxes will just drive out jobs and increase the deficit. Do you really want 25% unemployment in California?
How about reducing the state payroll by 25% or outsourcing all functions except law enforcement and the courts. That should do it.
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jig
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Hacienda Heights, CA | pthpt. they won't leave. scaremongering. |
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bobrk
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I didn't see an option for raising taxes on ordinary people, other than ones who use too much gas, smoke and drink too much. 
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jig
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said by sholling  :Well we all know that increasing taxes will just drive out jobs and increase the deficit. there are going to be a whole hell of a lot of disabled blind people wandering the streets on your watch, sholl.
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sholling
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said by bobrk :I didn't see an option for raising taxes on ordinary people, other than ones who use too much gas, smoke and drink too much. You could volunteer to pay more rather than trying to find other people to pay the bills. Nothing is stopping you.
We have a choice of reducing spending by $25 billion or driving the economy down so low that it makes the Great Depression look like a party by raising taxes. California has an 11.5% official unemployment rate.
»www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-c···92.story
»chartingtheeconomy.com/?p=943
The real number when you add in the $80k software engineer that's delivering pizza for $150/wk because he/she can't find a job and the number is closer to between 18 and 20%. About 2 percentage points over the national average of 16.5%
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It should be noted that the 11.2% unemployment rate that was posted in March is the U-3 rate - some have publicly stated that they believe that the U-6 unemployment rate is approaching the 20% mark in the state. The U-6 rate is a broader measure of unemployment, and includes people who want full-time work but have given up the search, as well as people who want full-time work but are forced to accept part-time jobs due to "economic" reasons.
»www.davemanuel.com/2009/04/18/ca···n-march/
»activerain.com/blogsview/1106707···ent-rate
»www.opednews.com/populum/linkfra···id=92203
»www.mybudget360.com/real-unemplo···sappear/
My question is why would we want to drive that higher by raising taxes and driving out businesses?
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| Do you have the chart showing the rich people paying nothing in taxes? The ones that get the benefits of all the Bullshit loopholes and tax dodges put in by their cronies in the legislature? While regular Joe pays his fair share and doesn't get any breaks? Are you the regular Joe or the fat cat with the tax breaks?
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sholling
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| said by bobrk :Do you have the chart showing the rich people paying nothing in taxes? The ones that get the benefits of all the Bullshit loopholes and tax dodges put in by their cronies in the legislature? While regular Joe pays his fair share and doesn't get any breaks? Are you the regular Joe or the fat cat with the tax breaks? Please promise me you're too smart to believe that socialist bullshit. Because that's what it is.
Here is the federal breakdown for who is paying the bills. I'll look for the state versions, But I've seen it before and it's similar. The rich pay a huge amount in taxes. At the federal level the top 1% "fat cats" pay 40% of all income taxes. Lucky "fat cats". 
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dogma
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...and I didn't see the option for "getting the hell outta dodge and let the other som'bitches deal with the mess".
To be fair, Nevada had it's fiscal budget fiasco as well, but not nearly to the tune of $24B+. It was a shortfall just shy of $3B. They made $1B in cuts, $800M in new taxes, and another $800M or so in increased "fees" (French for taxes?).
One thing they did begin clearing, to their credit, was the ridiculous pension liability for public employees. As of 2010, no more sweetheart pensions for the public unionistas. They get what the private sector gets...this excludes the fire fighters and police. |
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jig
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said by sholling : note: if you don't know what AGI is, or if you think threshold is at all related to mean or median, then you may be misinterpreting the stats.
what you want is the effective tax rate ranked by AGI, not the volume of what they pay in.
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bobrk
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San Jose, CA | reply to sholling
You got a link for that chart? |
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BIGMIKE
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Should we move to Alaska?
ALASKA
Sales Taxes
State Sales Tax: The state currently does not have a sales and use tax. However, some jurisdictions impose local sales taxes that range up to 7%. Anchorage does not have a sales tax.
Gasoline Tax: 0 cents/gallon
Diesel Fuel Tax: 0 cents/gallon
Cigarette Tax: $2.00/pack of 20 (Anchorage - add $1.32)
Personal Income Taxes
No state income tax
Retirement Income: Not taxed.
Property Taxes
Alaska is the only state in the United States where a large part of the land mass is not subject to a property tax. Although property tax is the primary method of raising revenues for most of the larger municipalities in the state, smaller municipalities favor a sales tax. This is due primarily to the fact that the smaller incorporated areas lack a tax base large enough to support the property tax. The unincorporated areas of the state do not have the legal authority to levy a tax. Twelve of the the 16 organized boroughs levy a property tax. Only 13 cities outside of organized boroughs levy a property tax. These 25 municipalities can be found on the Directory of Taxing Jurisdictions.
Alaska taxes both real and personal property. there are several municipalities that have chosen to exempt some or all categories of personal property. For a listing of those municipalities and categories, see the Alaska Taxable information. Homeowners 65 and older (or surviving spouses 60 and older) are exempt from municipal taxes on the first $150,000 of the assessed value of their property. This also applies to disabled veterans. Intangible personal property is exempt from taxation. Call 907-269-6620 (Anchorage) or 907-465-2320 (Juneau) for details.
Inheritance and Estate Taxes
There is no inheritance tax and the estate tax is limited to federal estate tax collection.
»www.retirementliving.com/RLstate1.htm |
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sholling
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said by bobrk :You got a link for that chart? »www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
»usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometax···most.htm
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said by BIGMIKE :Should we move to Alaska? If by "we," you mean you then yes. |
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sholling
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said by jig :said by sholling : note: if you don't know what AGI is, or if you think threshold is at all related to mean or median, then you may be misinterpreting the stats. what you want is the effective tax rate ranked by AGI, not the volume of what they pay in. Thank you but the assertion was that the wealthy don't pay taxes. This chart proves that the top 1% pay 40% of all income taxes and that the top 5% pay 60%. It did precisely what I wanted it to do and blew that assertion out of the water. 
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jig
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| what it doesn't state is what percentage of income those earners pay. if the guy on the bottom pays 100% (a true salve) and the the guy on the top (threshold) pays 1%, the guy on top is making a bigger contribution, but feels it a whole lot less.
i'd like to know for sure how they are specifying "percentiles ranked by AGI". is that on your linked page? Basically, they're saying that half the US who report personal income make less than 32K a year. That doesn't jibe with other numbers I've seen.
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sholling
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| said by jig :what it doesn't state is what percentage of income those earners pay. if the guy on the bottom pays 100% (a true salve) and the the guy on the top (threshold) pays 1%, the guy on top is making a bigger contribution, but feels it a whole lot less. All that matters is that he is paying a larger percentage of his income for the exact same same services.
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said by jig :pthpt. they won't leave. scaremongering. Well at least on an anecdotal level I am seeing that they are leaving. I know of a 50 person plastics company packing up for Missouri as we speak.
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