robar
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Re: Doing you own film processing
wow,
thanks for the memories.. it was hard letting go of my D 2 but i'm never going back
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DavisPhotog
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clubs: | Definitely brings back some great memories of the high school darkroom. I'd buy it if I had the money or a place to use it! |
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robar
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Mesquite, TX
| said by DavisPhotog  :. a place to use it! that's the problem. all you need now is a desktop instead of the extra bedroom. never did the HS thing but what i said.. i'm never going back.. my pro9000 works great. i did have to rearrange my desktop to make room for it..
anybody need a film Pentax???
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You might have enough money! I really haven't decided yet on price but make me an offer. Might just surprise you.
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Space can really be made I my bathroom at one time for the darkroom then moved every thing to the closet utill needed the next time. |
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reub2000
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said by robar :said by DavisPhotog :. a place to use it! that's the problem. all you need now is a desktop instead of the extra bedroom. never did the HS thing but what i said.. i'm never going back.. my pro9000 works great. i did have to rearrange my desktop to make room for it.. anybody need a film Pentax??? You'd need more than a desktop to fit in one of the Epson 4800 that my school has.
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robar
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| said by reub2000 :said by robar :said by DavisPhotog :. a place to use it! that's the problem. all you need now is a desktop instead of the extra bedroom. never did the HS thing but what i said.. i'm never going back.. my pro9000 works great. i did have to rearrange my desktop to make room for it.. anybody need a film Pentax??? You'd need more than a desktop to fit in one of the Epson 4800 that my school has. i'd need a lot more $$ also.
at this time the 13x19'' is doing a very good job for me..
i have a friend at a printing firm with a 60'' canon that's unbelieveable..they bought it used for around $10-20,000
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Hayward
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said by robar :said by DavisPhotog :. a place to use it! that's the problem. all you need now is a desktop instead of the extra bedroom. With plumbing and no windows preferably too..... how many have that. Not litterally for printing B&W you can do that just in trays but for film you really need running water.
And for a place like here I would need an air conditioned icebox, because even B&W chemistry as I recall is based around 68-70F.... my house is never below 80 (except dead of winter might haul out a space heater when it goes below 68)... cool enough to dry the air, but not enough you go into shock walking out the door in summer. And any were consistantly near 68-70 is about 3-4 weeks.... even then only at night..
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| said by Hayward :said by robar : With plumbing and no windows preferably too..... how many have that. Not literally for printing B&W you can do that just in trays but for film you really need running water. Don't know about you but my bathroom has had running water for quite a few years now. 
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Splitpair
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Cow Towne
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said by Hayward :With plumbing and no windows preferably too..... how many have that. Not litterally for printing B&W you can do that just in trays but for film you really need running water. Running water is only needed for the rinse process and that does not require a darkroom.
And for a place like here I would need an air conditioned icebox, because even B&W chemistry as I recall is based around 68-70F.... Not really, I learned to develop film and prints in a very small un-ventilated un-air conditioned room next to wood shop class in junior high school.
We stored the mixed developer in a walk-in cooler in the cafeteria and would wait until it warmed up to around 65 before pouring it into the tank, from there it was a matter of watching the thermometer and dunking the tank it a pot of cold water if needed to modulate the temperature.
It was also there I discovered the ability to punch up contrast by using warm developer.
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Hayward
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2 edits | Ok but high temp shorter development greatly increases grain.... and agin here it would be typically 10+ degrees over norm without otherwise excessive AC.
And as I said yes prints you can do with just trays, but still preferably a windowless room, but for the film end you really do need plumbing. Yes you can rinse a print but you need to wash film.
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Kringle
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|  Why not just use the old "bathroom heat sink method" for temperature stabilization?
Fill your bathtub with 68° water and use metal film tanks submerged in the water to keep your chemicals at the prescribed temperature for the duration of the process. Put your chemistry in the cold bath ahead of time and add cold water to the tub as necessary.
I've done B&W film (needs 68°) when it was 95° in the house and E-6/C-41 (need 100°) when it was 70° in the house, both with great results.
Cibachromes (process was since purchased by Ilford from Ciba-Geigy and renamed Ilfochrome) were a little more difficult since the drum couldn't be run in the bathtub without risk of electrocution and equipment damage.  |
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Hayward
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4 edits | said by Kringle :Why not just use the old "bathroom heat sink method" for temperature stabilization? Fill your bathtub with 68° water and use metal film tanks submerged in the water to keep your chemicals at the prescribed temperature for the duration of the process. Put your chemistry in the cold bath ahead of time and add cold water to the tub as necessary. Uhh because you are just not paying attention AT ALL??? and think the entirwe world is just like where you are????
Key West..... our water comes down a 150 mile pipeline.... much above ground over the 42 bridges.... it in the 80's much of the year..... and then it gets here, and a couple of feet under asphault BAKED.
Places I have lived here I turn off the water heater in the summer, the water under the street is plenty hot..
There is NO cold water in Key West even in the winter without ice cubes , its still well over 70 most of the time even then..
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Kringle
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| said by Hayward :Uhh because you are just not paying attention AT ALL??? OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and reread the whole thread and can't seem to find what I wasn't "paying attention AT ALL" to.
Am I supposed to read your mind and magically know what the crappy water supply is like in South Florida (not that I would ever want to)?
Methinks that you continue liking to be argumentative more than anything else.
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Hayward
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4 edits | said by Kringle :said by Hayward :Uhh because you are just not paying attention AT ALL??? OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and reread the whole thread and can't seem to find what I wasn't "paying attention AT ALL" to. Am I supposed to read your mind and magically know what the crappy water supply is like in South Florida (not that I would ever want to)? Methinks that you continue liking to be argumentative more than anything else. Cheers! Ok soryy you like many Americans think the ENTIRE WORLD is JUST LIKE WHERE YOU ARE???
No climate and conditionsw vary a LOT and certainly sociology and politics too..
And BTW I prefer them any ways all I have is a shower.... no tub....and still not the cold waater to put in it even if I did... again you assume a lot that your condition is everyones.
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robar
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| said by Hayward :said by Kringle :said by Hayward :Uhh because you are just not paying attention AT ALL??? OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and reread the whole thread and can't seem to find what I wasn't "paying attention AT ALL" to. Am I supposed to read your mind and magically know what the crappy water supply is like in South Florida (not that I would ever want to)? Methinks that you continue liking to be argumentative more than anything else. Cheers! Ok soryy you like many Americans think the ENTIRE WORLD is JUST LIKE WHERE YOU ARE??? i doubt H has ever been in a darkroom unless it's been to observe....i had a DR back when in New Orleans..
H is not reading this thread.. you need to adjust to your environment..
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Hayward
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4 edits | Again who isn't reading..... I do not have the space.... I do not have space with plumbing, I do not wish to pay to turn my house into a refrigerator, and chill water to below 75 degrees would also be a necessicity. I doubt KW tap water has ever been below about 73 deg even in winter.
And now that I think about it probably why ALL the 1 hour photo places do such a crappy job the watter is too warm..... doubt they chill it.
Spent MANY hours in a dark room as a kid doing Ektachrome and Agfachrome in the interior windowless bathroom....and NE cool house and well water (that also cost nothing but electric to pump.
And in college, degree in media communications, and a large part of that was photography, .
as well as TV, Radio, newespaper (also involving photo)
OK you were and an AC hound in NO, and kept your house at 68 deg, and had water of that temp too..... so be it, I don't nor care to pay to do it....let alone live in a house that cold. (Vs agin kived up north you didn't want to pay to keep it much warmer.)
.... vs most Miamians blot frover AC'd house to over AC'd car to over AC's mall or restaurant.... and never go outside in summer.
In KW my house in nver below 80 in the summer.... cool ebough to dry the air but no real shock when you go out the door.... and don't mind being outside.
And as I also said as the firt reply in this thread I'd love to have that big ol' Bessie if I had the place for it.
But reason even the childhood home did slides because not the space in that little bathroom for an enlarger, but college was fun full darkroom with several enlargers and lens/carrier sets.... 35mm to 4x5 including for that matter a big ol Bessie.
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Splitpair
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said by Hayward :Ok but high temp shorter development greatly increases grain.... and agin here it would be typically 10+ degrees over norm without otherwise excessive AC. Not so, all one needs to do is to fill a developer tray with water and ice, then as the temperature in the developing tank rises due to having a sweatshop darkroom the tank is placed on the cold water bath while being agitated and the temperature will stabilize, as it approaches the optimum temperature it is removed from the cold water before it drops too low and monitored. This process is repeated over and over until developing is completed.
And as I said yes prints you can do with just trays, but still preferably a windowless room, but for the film end you really do need plumbing. Yes you can rinse a print but you need to wash film.
While it is nice one does not need, I repeat does not need running water in a darkroom, the rinse process is post fixing and can be done in full light in the kitchen sink if one wishes to. Been there done that hundreds of times.
By the way for developing film no darkroom what so ever is required everything can be done in full light with a loading bag and a daylight devloping tank.
Wayne
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