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urbanriot

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reply to Robrr
Re: Canada's commercial seal hunt protested on nation's birthday

said by Robrr See Profile :

As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans.
I expected it was self evident.

Very well. I don't know a single hunter, myself included, who has killed every single deer immediately with one shot to the head. Catching fish involves a great deal of torture, depriving them of water for long periods of time. Chickens, you cut their heads off. Pigs are shocked into epileptic seizure before they're killed. Do I really need to go on? These acts are as brutal or even more brutal than bashing a seal on the head, which often kills them in one shot.

You bring up cows as your only argument, neglecting every other animal. Well, your scenario is a propagandist, best possible scenario that's about as bad as braining a seal over the head. I know from first hand experience that they don't always die immediately. And never mind certain religious methods, such as koshar or halal which forbids slaughtering an unconscious animal, and involves slitting their throats while they drain.

Again, if you're against seal hunting you better be vegan and/or a little girl.

Derwin0

join:2003-07-16

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said by Robrr See Profile :

Not necessarily. If it was guaranteed that you could one shot kill a seal, I think a lot fewer people would have a problem with it.
i don't think so. The chances of killing a moose quickly are far less, yet we don't have the mass of protesters up North during moose season.

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said by Derwin0 See Profile :

Because, to protest the killing of one animal, while you dine on/or wear the carcass of another animal is hypocritical.
Not necessarily. If it was guaranteed that you could one shot kill a seal, I think a lot fewer people would have a problem with it. The problem with clubbing them is that if you miss, or you don't hit the seal hard enough the animal is going to suffer an excruciating amount of pain until you hit it a second time and kill it.

This is where the problem lies with a lot of people.

Derwin0

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reply to Robrr
said by Robrr See Profile :

Cows are one shot kills. It has been scientifically proven that when a cow is slaughtered in an abattoir that they live for about 6 seconds after they are hit and don't feel a thing. Just so ya know

As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans.
Because, to protest the killing of one animal, while you dine on/or wear the carcass of another animal is hypocritical.

And a bullet to the head of a seal is just as quick and painless as a bolt to the head of a cow.

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said by Derwin0 See Profile :

same can be said about a deer, moose, pig, turkey, duck, chicken, cow, etc...
Cows are one shot kills. It has been scientifically proven that when a cow is slaughtered in an abattoir that they live for about 6 seconds after they are hit and don't feel a thing. Just so ya know

As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans.

Derwin0

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said by Robrr See Profile :

What does being vegan have to do with seal hunting?

I have nothing against the seal hunt personally but some people view it as torture to the animal if you don't get a one hit kill.
same can be said about a deer, moose, pig, turkey, duck, chicken, cow, etc...

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said by urbanriot See Profile :

If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever.
What does being vegan have to do with seal hunting?

I have nothing against the seal hunt personally but some people view it as torture to the animal if you don't get a one hit kill.


vue666

join:2007-12-07

reply to Derwin0
Yes indeed... Hypocrites who believe they have the right to demand certain cultures abandon their way of life, who believe they know what is right for these people yet they know so very little about their culture... It's out right insulting....

It's not unlike Paul McCartney's cry for a Meatless Monday....

Derwin0

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said by urbanriot See Profile :

If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever.
Exactly, they better be vegans, and have nothing made from leather or fur. Otherwise they're just being hypocritical limousine liberals.


urbanriot

join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
reply to vue666
If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever.


vue666

join:2007-12-07

reply to Wolfie00
But there is no more cruel intent during the seal hunt then there is slaughter of cattle at the abattoir or the catching of cod...

Unlike a bullfight there is no sadistic pleasure or intent to torture but merely the harvesting of food and substance....

Part of being Canadian is the respect and acceptance of other cultures.... Do we now demand other hunter gathering societies abandon their lifestyle? IMHO it is this type of mindset that has resulted in so many problems among our first nation peoples... Please allow this people to live in dignity and self reliance...


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said by vue666 See Profile :

Or how an hurricane will level houses and leave people homeless....

Nature is cruel....and we humans are but a part of nature...
You keep repeating the same mantra. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it so.

Keep digging! I never realized hurricanes possessed intelligence and had ethical accountability for their actions.

But we humans have invented all kinds of funny concepts like a system of justice, balanced crime and punishment, compassionate health care, social safety nets, and the idea of humane treatment of people and animals alike. It's called civilization, and it's still evolving, and it would be to your credit to recognize that fact.

Yes, humans are a part of nature, but a particularly empowered, enlightened, and privileged part of nature, and it's not conducive to productive discourse to hold the human species to the standards of a particularly noxious breed of jungle monkeys. I would like to believe we are far better than that.
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vue666

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said by Derwin0 See Profile :

said by Wolfie00 See Profile :

And yet, the way some of the more intelligent animals treat each other puts some humans to shame.
Somehow I think that bear cub is pretty well fed. Adult Polar Bears arn't so gentle.

Ask Seigfred and Roy how that "intelligent" lion treated Roy.

Nothing about the "circle of life" is gentle. Animals eat animals. WE are no different. And killing a seal for food is no different than killing a cow.
Or the lady that jumped over a fence at a local zoo to "play" with the polar bears....

Or how an hurricane will level houses and leave people homeless....

Nature is cruel....and we humans are but a part of nature...


Mark Z
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reply to urbanriot
Re: Rex Murphy takes aim:

He is yet another idiot who has already stated: "I wish hunters could be denied air" in another seal hunt thread, though Chelle_Belle in her infinite wisdom deleted the post.


vue666

join:2007-12-07

reply to Bitwise
Re: Canada's commercial seal hunt protested on nation's birthday

I wonder if Sarah McLachlan despises most of the other hunter/gather communities in the world? I wonder if at her next concert she will voice similar scorn over similar actions in Africa, Asia, South America where people hunt for their food?

I wonder if she will voice disgust at the actions of our beloved Governor General in support of the seal hunt...

NO... I did not think not.... Simply put, McLachlan is a hypocrite like most of these celebrity, self righteous brats...


urbanriot

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Re: Rex Murphy takes aim:

said by MikeA1972 See Profile :

Such simple minds hunters. What a shame we are not allowed to hunt them.
wat?

MikeA1972

join:2008-02-06
Brantford, ON
reply to Snickerdo
Such simple minds hunters. What a shame we are not allowed to hunt them.


Snickerdo
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reply to Mark Z
Rex Murphy, as he often is, was right on the money with that.


shaner
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That is gold!


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"It's archaic and horrible and I want it to stop.”

I know exactly how Sarah McLachlan (for these are her words on the subject of the seal hunt) feels. I have felt precisely the same, down to the very syllables, if I may put it that way, whenever I have fallen within ear-hurt of a folk music concert. Lord, years ago, how common they were, whining on about - well, I'm not going to start the list. They whined on about everything. That's what folk singers did. They whined. Three chords on an out-of-tune flat-top guitar and whine.

They looked serious, so serious - and sad, so sad - and they whined. I remember distinctly, over and over again, whenever the mischiefs of fate decreed that I be dragged to a folk music concert, or lived too close to some of the poor addicts of the form, whenever Dylan or Donovan (oh God, still the memory - Donovan) held the car radio hostage or the dreaded triple-headed Demogorgon Peter, Paul and Mary blistered the eardrums and sank my soul - I remember my piercing outcry: “It's archaic and horrible and I want it to stop.”

No one listened to me, of course. Why should they? Who was I, after all, to call a halt to such a tidal wave of whining twaddle? Others, obviously but inexplicably, liked it. C'est la vie.

I was sick of John (Steel-Drivin' Man) Henry, sick of This Land is Your Land , and sick to the very heart every time some dopey-eyed, long-haired sad sack, guitar in hand, came out on some television variety show to bleat about Michael rowing that damn boat ashore. And what else, precisely, was he going to do with it? All boats, eventually, having been rowed out from shore, are rowed back to it.

It was all so archaic and horrible and, Lord, did I want it to stop. But it didn't, and I never really expected it would or, for that matter, should. Other people liked this stuff and, it is dimly possible, still do. So my feelings on the matter have no special standing, and I sure as hell wouldn't take advantage of some public occasion - say, a Canada Day celebration - to elevate my private taste to public protest, hijack a moment of the nation's birthday to bleat about a “personal” cause.

Sarah McLachlan, obviously, is not as much of a fan of diversity as I am. She came to Canada Day wearing a PETA T-shirt. Whatever else PETA is, most sensible people will agree it is tasteless, vulgar and vile. It has had some of the very crudest and most insensitive exercises in the history of so-called protest, of which I will cite only “the Holocaust on your plate” campaign, which, in my judgment, reached the level of a blasphemy against the memory of the six million Jewish people exterminated in Hitler's death camps.

How crude that was you may easily measure for yourself: It featured a picture of a starving man in a concentration camp next to the picture of a starving cow. I wrote “crude” just now, but that word is far too feeble to convey the abject, garish viciousness of such a juxtaposition. A PETA T-shirt, as this example demonstrates, is not the banner of a serious moral sensibility.

Once again, Ms. McLachlan's own words on the seal hunt this Canada Day are far more descriptive of PETA's outrages than anything she is protesting. “Perverse and sick” is how she described the hunt. Well, I'm not so sure. Exploiting the memory of six million dead for cheap publicity, putting a “cow” in any equivalence with history's greatest crime, that is “perverse and sick.”

Actually, I think putting on a PETA T-shirt might be one signal that you've surrendered any moral leverage you may vaguely possess to lecture anyone about anything. And calling the traditional lifeline of some of Canada's northern aboriginals “perverse and sick” might suggest the person doing the calling is less familiar with the concepts of tolerance and diversity than most would hope. As does slandering those on the East Coast who have found the hunt a needed resource for more than a century and a half.

But Ms. McLachlan does have Pamela Anderson in her corner – and what is time and native culture against that bulwark? A queen of soft-core porn and PETA: There's an alliance.

Ms. McLachlan could learn a lot on this issue from a far more worthy source. Our own Governor-General, who, by her gesture of respect to the hunt a near month ago, showed more class and understanding than PETA and its camera-hungry devotees - on Canada Day or any other - can ever hope to approach.

And, yeah, pushing the cause on Canada Day was just tacky.
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