urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
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Re: Rex Murphy takes aim:
said by MikeA1972  :Such simple minds hunters.  What a shame we are not allowed to hunt them. wat? |
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vue666
join:2007-12-07
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Re: Canada's commercial seal hunt protested on nation's birthday
I wonder if Sarah McLachlan despises most of the other hunter/gather communities in the world? I wonder if at her next concert she will voice similar scorn over similar actions in Africa, Asia, South America where people hunt for their food?
I wonder if she will voice disgust at the actions of our beloved Governor General in support of the seal hunt...
NO... I did not think not.... Simply put, McLachlan is a hypocrite like most of these celebrity, self righteous brats... |
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Mark Z
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join:2002-10-14 | reply to urbanriot
Re: Rex Murphy takes aim:
He is yet another idiot who has already stated: "I wish hunters could be denied air" in another seal hunt thread, though Chelle_Belle in her infinite wisdom deleted the post. |
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vue666
join:2007-12-07
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Re: Canada's commercial seal hunt protested on nation's birthday
said by Derwin0 :said by Wolfie00 :And yet, the way some of the more intelligent animals treat each other puts some humans to shame. Somehow I think that bear cub is pretty well fed. Adult Polar Bears arn't so gentle. Ask Seigfred and Roy how that "intelligent" lion treated Roy. Nothing about the "circle of life" is gentle. Animals eat animals. WE are no different. And killing a seal for food is no different than killing a cow. Or the lady that jumped over a fence at a local zoo to "play" with the polar bears.... 
Or how an hurricane will level houses and leave people homeless....
Nature is cruel....and we humans are but a part of nature... |
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Wolfie00
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join:2005-03-12
| said by vue666 :Or how an hurricane will level houses and leave people homeless.... Nature is cruel....and we humans are but a part of nature... You keep repeating the same mantra. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it so.
Keep digging!  I never realized hurricanes possessed intelligence and had ethical accountability for their actions.
But we humans have invented all kinds of funny concepts like a system of justice, balanced crime and punishment, compassionate health care, social safety nets, and the idea of humane treatment of people and animals alike. It's called civilization, and it's still evolving, and it would be to your credit to recognize that fact.
Yes, humans are a part of nature, but a particularly empowered, enlightened, and privileged part of nature, and it's not conducive to productive discourse to hold the human species to the standards of a particularly noxious breed of jungle monkeys. I would like to believe we are far better than that.
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"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" -- a corollary of Murphy's Law
"A dog is like a child who never grows old ... always there to love and be loved" -- Aaron Katcher
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vue666
join:2007-12-07
| But there is no more cruel intent during the seal hunt then there is slaughter of cattle at the abattoir or the catching of cod...
Unlike a bullfight there is no sadistic pleasure or intent to torture but merely the harvesting of food and substance....
Part of being Canadian is the respect and acceptance of other cultures.... Do we now demand other hunter gathering societies abandon their lifestyle? IMHO it is this type of mindset that has resulted in so many problems among our first nation peoples... Please allow this people to live in dignity and self reliance... |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever. |
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Derwin0
join:2003-07-16
| said by urbanriot :If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever. Exactly, they better be vegans, and have nothing made from leather or fur. Otherwise they're just being hypocritical limousine liberals. |
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vue666
join:2007-12-07
| Yes indeed... Hypocrites who believe they have the right to demand certain cultures abandon their way of life, who believe they know what is right for these people yet they know so very little about their culture... It's out right insulting....
It's not unlike Paul McCartney's cry for a Meatless Monday.... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
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said by urbanriot :If the people arguing against seal hunts aren't vegans than I have a very difficult time giving their argument any credibility whatsoever. What does being vegan have to do with seal hunting?
I have nothing against the seal hunt personally but some people view it as torture to the animal if you don't get a one hit kill. |
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Derwin0
join:2003-07-16
| said by Robrr :What does being vegan have to do with seal hunting? I have nothing against the seal hunt personally but some people view it as torture to the animal if you don't get a one hit kill. same can be said about a deer, moose, pig, turkey, duck, chicken, cow, etc... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
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| said by Derwin0 :same can be said about a deer, moose, pig, turkey, duck, chicken, cow, etc... Cows are one shot kills. It has been scientifically proven that when a cow is slaughtered in an abattoir that they live for about 6 seconds after they are hit and don't feel a thing. Just so ya know
As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans. |
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Derwin0
join:2003-07-16
| said by Robrr :Cows are one shot kills. It has been scientifically proven that when a cow is slaughtered in an abattoir that they live for about 6 seconds after they are hit and don't feel a thing. Just so ya know As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans. Because, to protest the killing of one animal, while you dine on/or wear the carcass of another animal is hypocritical.
And a bullet to the head of a seal is just as quick and painless as a bolt to the head of a cow. |
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Robrr
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| said by Derwin0 :Because, to protest the killing of one animal, while you dine on/or wear the carcass of another animal is hypocritical. Not necessarily. If it was guaranteed that you could one shot kill a seal, I think a lot fewer people would have a problem with it. The problem with clubbing them is that if you miss, or you don't hit the seal hard enough the animal is going to suffer an excruciating amount of pain until you hit it a second time and kill it.
This is where the problem lies with a lot of people. |
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Derwin0
join:2003-07-16
| said by Robrr :Not necessarily. If it was guaranteed that you could one shot kill a seal, I think a lot fewer people would have a problem with it. i don't think so. The chances of killing a moose quickly are far less, yet we don't have the mass of protesters up North during moose season. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
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said by Robrr :As for your vegan comments, you still haven't explained yourself as to why these people had better all be vegans. I expected it was self evident.
Very well. I don't know a single hunter, myself included, who has killed every single deer immediately with one shot to the head. Catching fish involves a great deal of torture, depriving them of water for long periods of time. Chickens, you cut their heads off. Pigs are shocked into epileptic seizure before they're killed. Do I really need to go on? These acts are as brutal or even more brutal than bashing a seal on the head, which often kills them in one shot.
You bring up cows as your only argument, neglecting every other animal. Well, your scenario is a propagandist, best possible scenario that's about as bad as braining a seal over the head. I know from first hand experience that they don't always die immediately. And never mind certain religious methods, such as koshar or halal which forbids slaughtering an unconscious animal, and involves slitting their throats while they drain.
Again, if you're against seal hunting you better be vegan and/or a little girl. |
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