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norwegian
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| Secure browser by default I've followed most of the topics on this in the past, but always sided with my favourite still.
How ever, I've had enough of the endless bandwidth taken up by the countless communications. Free must be subsidised somehow, so I can't blame Opera's methods, but for me it isn't what I want. I've tried early Firefox and it's mail client Thunderbird, and let's not go Firefox with NoScript either.
What's left out there that is worth looking at, even paid is worth a look in, if it is secure by default. Opera 9.64 still has exploits that haven't been fixed and so does other popular browsers, but I'm not going Opera 10 again, even if it is the closest to perfection in some levels, whereby in the past it was a horror for some web pages.
If I was to look at another browser, no Opera, no Firefox and no IE shell browsers, what is left for the front page of my computer that will show internet pages, but still be configurable too while being a good solid secure browser?
I'm open to ideas as I'm all browsered out at present.
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carpetshark3
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| Re: Secure browser by default I'm with you. You have to jump through hoops to get anything to work your way. If you don't like and "improvement" some people in the browser's forums get all upset that you don't want the internet their way. I've managed to tweak FF 30.10 the way I want it, can't find the post in Opera about how to get rid of widgets on the tool bar and the speed dial. I don't want all the extras either - just choice about scripts running, popups, and ads.
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by norwegian  :How ever, I've had enough of the endless bandwidth taken up by the countless communications. Free must be subsidised somehow, so I can't blame Opera's methods, but for me it isn't what I want.
What communications are you referring to?
said by carpetshark3 :can't find the post in Opera about how to get rid of widgets on the tool bar
I assume you mean on the Menu Bar.
•Close Opera and open the standard_menu.ini file
•Comment out the widget submenu line thus:
;Submenu, M_WIDGET_MENU, Browser Widgets Menu
said by carpetshark3 : and the speed dial.
•In your address bar, type:
opera:config#Speed Dial State
•Then change Speed Dial value to 3
•Save and restart Opera.
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by mysec :said by norwegian :How ever, I've had enough of the endless bandwidth taken up by the countless communications. Free must be subsidised somehow, so I can't blame Opera's methods, but for me it isn't what I want. What communications are you referring to? Opera 9.64
Does an update once in a while, have not found a setting to turn off.
Clear browser history, needs connection to refresh speeddial, which I do not use.
Opera 10
Every time I open the browser it checks online
Delete browser history connects to 4 or 5 IP for similar reasons to 9.64
95% of the time first opening bookmarks checks online, for whatever reason
It's a lot going on for me just wanting to visit the WWW.
I'm one of those that check my own updates for software.
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carpetshark3
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| Re: Secure browser by default I've never had Opera update on its own. It will say that there's an update available. No history is showing at all. I've never kept history. If browsers change bookmarks the way Chrome was said to - I'll have to post links in notepad, or find a tweak to put notes in FF.
Thanks, Ironwalker, I'll have to read the Mozilla forum here. I forgot what tweak I had to use to get FF to download since I have IE locked down tight. My daughter is still having to download thru Opera.
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| said by norwegian :Opera 9.64 Does an update once in a while, have not found a setting to turn off. Clear browser history, needs connection to refresh speeddial, which I do not use. Opera 10 Every time I open the browser it checks online Delete browser history connects to 4 or 5 IP for similar reasons to 9.64 95% of the time first opening bookmarks checks online, for whatever reason Type in your address bar:
and set to '0'
Type in your address bar:
and set them all to '0'
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norwegian
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| Re: Secure browser by default
Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64.
The other browsers I will have a look over in the next few days; thanks for the links.
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MeDuZa
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by norwegian :Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64. Are you sure nothing else other than browsing history is selected for deletion?
I'm asking because I've tested both 9.64 / 10 beta1 and can't confirm.
After all be aware in case you also select 'bookmark visited time' and/or 'delete entire cache' Opera will attempt to download some favicons. This unfortunate 'feature' was implemented to overcome complains regarding the loss of favicons after deleting private data. A poor workaround IMHO.
Opera doesn't offer an option to stop these requests.
Possible workarounds for deleting 'bookmark visited time':
- delete offline
- put the favicons URLs on a block list
Possible workarounds for deleting the cache:
- delete offline
- delete manually within Opera's cache4 (v9.64) / cache (v10 beta) folder
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norwegian
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1 edit | Re: Secure browser by defaultsaid by MeDuZa :said by norwegian :Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64. Are you sure nothing else other than browsing history is selected for deletion? I'm asking because I've tested both 9.64 / 10 beta1 and can't confirm. After all be aware in case you also select 'bookmark visited time' and/or 'delete entire cache' Opera will attempt to download some favicons. This unfortunate 'feature' was implemented to overcome complains regarding the loss of favicons after deleting private data. A poor workaround IMHO. Opera doesn't offer an option to stop these requests. Possible workarounds for deleting 'bookmark visited time': - delete offline - put the favicons URLs on a block list Possible workarounds for deleting the cache: - delete offline - delete manually within Opera's cache4 (v9.64) / cache (v10 beta) folder A method that was pointed out to me to "fix" that was divert to 127.0.0.1. as follows in the search.ini found in
C:\Program Files\Opera\search.ini
EG:
becomes
Do that change for everyone of the Favicons. It fixes that issue for good. I've been using it ever since and it seems to work fine. It was discussed here for 9.51 when it first appeared and notmentat supplied this fix for my question.
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MeDuZa
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by norwegian :Do that change for everyone of the Favicons. It fixes that issue for good. I've been using it ever since and it seems to work fine. Unfortunately it doesn't fix the issue anymore for Opera 10.
Some requests seem to be hard-coded. (You can test with your search.ini files located in your locale\en and profile folders.)
Nevertheless if you consider using Opera I would recommend to take a closer look to Opera 10.00b1.
I usually don't recommend betas but this one is worth mainly because of improvements of the rendering engine.
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norwegian
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| Re: Secure browser by defaultThat is why I started this topic, as I've tried that beta version, I get COM+ errors and that mixed with all the communication and promise of better online file sharing, is why I started this topic;
a lot of the newer version as you say is beautiful art work with it's rendering, I am impressed no end.
I'm just weighing up my options, 9.64 is still configurable, but I'm thinking of what is my next step. IE, Firefox, Opera, I have tried, what's your next choice.
I have not looked at Google Chrome either, and not yet really though of giving it a try for long term, but unsure if it is worth stepping off the beaten track for a while. 
Noticed the comment about the main engines and my getting off track and it makes you wonder and think - you would think with all the software available, choice's would be bountiful.
Or is the communication out there that restricting?
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nwrickert
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| Re: Secure browser by default you would think with all the software available, choice's would be bountiful. When Microsoft decided to use its monopoly power to make IE the leading browser, the choice of available browsers rapidly diminished.
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sivran
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| Eh, if you're going to go for a Webkit browser, I'd say go with Safari's windows port. Chrome/Iron is more of a tech demo than a browser, with an extremely small feature set, and the least configurability of any browser I've ever used.
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| said by norwegian :If I was to look at another browser, no Opera, no Firefox and no IE shell browsers, what is left for the front page of my computer that will show internet pages, but still be configurable too while being a good solid secure browser? There aren't any. If Firefox with a single plugin is too much work for you, you're going to be disappointed.
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jeno
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1 edit | Re: Secure browser by default said by jeno :Try Lynx Good idea. Lynx is impervious to script exploits.
edit: I should have specified it as "javascript exploits." There are other kinds of scripts that might be possible on various platforms.
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carpetshark3
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| I don't mind the plugins - I really like NoScript, Adblock Plus, Flashblock, & Mr. Tech. What I really resent is some of the smart answers on the Mozilla Forums if you ask how to get rid of something or change it. They seem to be stunned if you don't take everything new as an improvement. If the browser is supposed to be customized, then list all of the customizations in one place so they can be found.
Thanks for the info on Opera. I'm copying it to a file so I can find it again.
I might download Lynx and use it when just looking for info.
My kids have some videos on YouTube that I like to see, so I couldn't use Lynx as a primary.
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1 edit | Re: Secure browser by default said by carpetshark3 :I don't mind the plugins - I really like NoScript, Adblock Plus, Flashblock, & Mr. Tech. What I really resent is some of the smart answers on the Mozilla Forums if you ask how to get rid of something or change it. They seem to be stunned if you don't take everything new as an improvement. If the browser is supposed to be customized, then list all of the customizations in one place so they can be found. Thanks for the info on Opera. I'm copying it to a file so I can find it again. I might download Lynx and use it when just looking for info. My kids have some videos on YouTube that I like to see, so I couldn't use Lynx as a primary. Weezy Never been there, and used firefox for quite some time.
I use dslreports mozilla forums.
Always recieve great help/advice there.
edit;
Also, there is a list of all extensions on there extensions page, a list of all addons on addons page and even a themes page with a list. Our own mozilla forums has a sticky guide for tweaks that make FF speedy and our own users are pro-like imo when it comes to FF and Thunderbird.
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| I'm sorry but no browser is 100% secure. If you are expecting a browser to actually think for you, then you might want to realize that the technology is not that far along.
Because lets not beat around the bush here..a browser can only do so much until that person has to think for their own which is right and bad. You can have the most secure software/hardware--but if the operator doesn't know what he is doing, there are going to be problems.
Sounds to me like you need a Mac OS--Linux..no. Barely any software is supported on that, so unless you don't use alot of software sure go ahead and install Linux.
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by ztmike :I'm sorry but no browser is 100% secure. If you are expecting a browser to actually think for you, then you might want to realize that the technology is not that far along. If I had asked in the software Forum, it would be titled "What browsers are there?" I asked here because my first concern was security and the browser. It's not a question of wanting the browser to have all the settings already, just minimzing the list to those you consider secure that users have tried here.
said by ztmike :Sounds to me like you need a Mac OS--Linux..no. Barely any software is supported on that, so unless you don't use alot of software sure go ahead and install Linux. Maybe one day I'll seriously look at having a permanent machine to do business with and look at Linux only for the machine, but until then, the software runs on Windows and I leave business off the machine 99% of the time. However until then I'd like to have a mixture of secure and function-able, without the browser doing more internet connections than me, and well, Firefox was the first browser outside of IE I used, before Opera become free without ads, and I may try it again, however I see more issues with Firefox bugs than I do/did with Opera.
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| If you're going to rule out the Big Three (of Windows browsing, anyway) engines (Presto, Gecko, and Trident) and accept nothing based on them, then you're left with Webkit, used by Safari and Chrome/Iron, text browsers, and obscure stuff no one's ever heard of.
Otherwise I'd say, give SeaMonkey or K-Meleon a shot, or even Lunascape5, which is a fairly interesting browser which can use Trident, Gecko, and Webkit.
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| Secure browser by default ?
I don't believe there is such a beast, or will be. You have to spend time researching to find ways and means to DIY.
Plus there will always be bugs/vulnerabilities etc to contend with, whatever flavour browser you choose. | |
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norwegian
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| Re: Secure browser by default said by Rebirth :Secure browser by default ? I don't believe there is such a beast, or will be. You have to spend time researching to find ways and means to DIY. Plus there will always be bugs/vulnerabilities etc to contend with, whatever flavour browser you choose. I realise a lot of settings need adjusting, and for the average user out there, most of the rules they will never learn.
Why shouldn't there be one by default? Why do a lot of companies turn everything on by default and leave it up to the user to work with settings? Guess it saves tech support questions; small price to pay for giving it secure by default you would think. Sales pressure, who knows?
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| Samuel King's Opus Palladianum web browser may in the future offer secure by default browsing.
www.cs.uiuc.edu/homes/kingst/Research_files/grier08.pdf | |
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