norwegian
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 ·WestNet Broadband
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Re: Secure browser by default
said by Rebirth  :Secure browser by default ? I don't believe there is such a beast, or will be. You have to spend time researching to find ways and means to DIY. Plus there will always be bugs/vulnerabilities etc to contend with, whatever flavour browser you choose. I realise a lot of settings need adjusting, and for the average user out there, most of the rules they will never learn.
Why shouldn't there be one by default? Why do a lot of companies turn everything on by default and leave it up to the user to work with settings? Guess it saves tech support questions; small price to pay for giving it secure by default you would think. Sales pressure, who knows?
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Opus Palladianum
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Samuel King's Opus Palladianum web browser may in the future offer secure by default browsing.
www.cs.uiuc.edu/homes/kingst/Research_files/grier08.pdf |
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Rebirth
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Secure browser by default ?
I don't believe there is such a beast, or will be. You have to spend time researching to find ways and means to DIY.
Plus there will always be bugs/vulnerabilities etc to contend with, whatever flavour browser you choose. |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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Eh, if you're going to go for a Webkit browser, I'd say go with Safari's windows port. Chrome/Iron is more of a tech demo than a browser, with an extremely small feature set, and the least configurability of any browser I've ever used.
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nwrickert
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you would think with all the software available, choice's would be bountiful. When Microsoft decided to use its monopoly power to make IE the leading browser, the choice of available browsers rapidly diminished.
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norwegian
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That is why I started this topic, as I've tried that beta version, I get COM+ errors and that mixed with all the communication and promise of better online file sharing, is why I started this topic;
a lot of the newer version as you say is beautiful art work with it's rendering, I am impressed no end.
I'm just weighing up my options, 9.64 is still configurable, but I'm thinking of what is my next step. IE, Firefox, Opera, I have tried, what's your next choice.
I have not looked at Google Chrome either, and not yet really though of giving it a try for long term, but unsure if it is worth stepping off the beaten track for a while. 
Noticed the comment about the main engines and my getting off track and it makes you wonder and think - you would think with all the software available, choice's would be bountiful.
Or is the communication out there that restricting?
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MeDuZa
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said by norwegian :Do that change for everyone of the Favicons. It fixes that issue for good. I've been using it ever since and it seems to work fine. Unfortunately it doesn't fix the issue anymore for Opera 10.
Some requests seem to be hard-coded. (You can test with your search.ini files located in your locale\en and profile folders.)
Nevertheless if you consider using Opera I would recommend to take a closer look to Opera 10.00b1.
I usually don't recommend betas but this one is worth mainly because of improvements of the rendering engine.
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norwegian
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said by MeDuZa :said by norwegian :Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64. Are you sure nothing else other than browsing history is selected for deletion? I'm asking because I've tested both 9.64 / 10 beta1 and can't confirm. After all be aware in case you also select 'bookmark visited time' and/or 'delete entire cache' Opera will attempt to download some favicons. This unfortunate 'feature' was implemented to overcome complains regarding the loss of favicons after deleting private data. A poor workaround IMHO. Opera doesn't offer an option to stop these requests. Possible workarounds for deleting 'bookmark visited time': - delete offline - put the favicons URLs on a block list Possible workarounds for deleting the cache: - delete offline - delete manually within Opera's cache4 (v9.64) / cache (v10 beta) folder A method that was pointed out to me to "fix" that was divert to 127.0.0.1. as follows in the search.ini found in
C:\Program Files\Opera\search.ini
EG:
becomes
Do that change for everyone of the Favicons. It fixes that issue for good. I've been using it ever since and it seems to work fine. It was discussed here for 9.51 when it first appeared and notmentat supplied this fix for my question.
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norwegian
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said by ztmike :I'm sorry but no browser is 100% secure. If you are expecting a browser to actually think for you, then you might want to realize that the technology is not that far along. If I had asked in the software Forum, it would be titled "What browsers are there?" I asked here because my first concern was security and the browser. It's not a question of wanting the browser to have all the settings already, just minimzing the list to those you consider secure that users have tried here.
said by ztmike :Sounds to me like you need a Mac OS--Linux..no. Barely any software is supported on that, so unless you don't use alot of software sure go ahead and install Linux. Maybe one day I'll seriously look at having a permanent machine to do business with and look at Linux only for the machine, but until then, the software runs on Windows and I leave business off the machine 99% of the time. However until then I'd like to have a mixture of secure and function-able, without the browser doing more internet connections than me, and well, Firefox was the first browser outside of IE I used, before Opera become free without ads, and I may try it again, however I see more issues with Firefox bugs than I do/did with Opera.
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DownTheShore
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Iron is one of my favorites too. I only wish that WOT worked on it, though.  |
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sivran
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If you're going to rule out the Big Three (of Windows browsing, anyway) engines (Presto, Gecko, and Trident) and accept nothing based on them, then you're left with Webkit, used by Safari and Chrome/Iron, text browsers, and obscure stuff no one's ever heard of.
Otherwise I'd say, give SeaMonkey or K-Meleon a shot, or even Lunascape5, which is a fairly interesting browser which can use Trident, Gecko, and Webkit.
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MeDuZa
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said by norwegian :Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64. Are you sure nothing else other than browsing history is selected for deletion?
I'm asking because I've tested both 9.64 / 10 beta1 and can't confirm.
After all be aware in case you also select 'bookmark visited time' and/or 'delete entire cache' Opera will attempt to download some favicons. This unfortunate 'feature' was implemented to overcome complains regarding the loss of favicons after deleting private data. A poor workaround IMHO.
Opera doesn't offer an option to stop these requests.
Possible workarounds for deleting 'bookmark visited time':
- delete offline
- put the favicons URLs on a block list
Possible workarounds for deleting the cache:
- delete offline
- delete manually within Opera's cache4 (v9.64) / cache (v10 beta) folder
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ztmike
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I'm sorry but no browser is 100% secure. If you are expecting a browser to actually think for you, then you might want to realize that the technology is not that far along.
Because lets not beat around the bush here..a browser can only do so much until that person has to think for their own which is right and bad. You can have the most secure software/hardware--but if the operator doesn't know what he is doing, there are going to be problems.
Sounds to me like you need a Mac OS--Linux..no. Barely any software is supported on that, so unless you don't use alot of software sure go ahead and install Linux.
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poppster
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Agreed, Iron is fast and secure, but I still prefer Opera.
Iron got 100/100 on the acid3 test, where opera got an 85 on my machine.
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mozerd
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The Secure Browser that I recommend is IRON.
The company: »www.srware.net/en/
The Browser: »www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
What does Iron make that's different? »www.srware.net/en/software_srwar···iron.php
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norwegian
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Tried those settings and unselected all sync options but still get the internet connections on doing a delete of browsing history in 9.64.
The other browsers I will have a look over in the next few days; thanks for the links.
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daveinpoway
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This »v2.iraqitek.com/2008/03/28/unive···-at-bay/ was discussed about a year ago, but I haven't heard anything about it since. |
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lockdown127
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This is ok. »offbyone.com/offbyone/ |
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MeDuZa
join:2003-06-13
Austria
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said by norwegian :Opera 9.64 Does an update once in a while, have not found a setting to turn off. Clear browser history, needs connection to refresh speeddial, which I do not use. Opera 10 Every time I open the browser it checks online Delete browser history connects to 4 or 5 IP for similar reasons to 9.64 95% of the time first opening bookmarks checks online, for whatever reason Type in your address bar:
and set to '0'
Type in your address bar:
and set them all to '0'
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carpetshark3
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I've never had Opera update on its own. It will say that there's an update available. No history is showing at all. I've never kept history. If browsers change bookmarks the way Chrome was said to - I'll have to post links in notepad, or find a tweak to put notes in FF.
Thanks, Ironwalker, I'll have to read the Mozilla forum here. I forgot what tweak I had to use to get FF to download since I have IE locked down tight. My daughter is still having to download thru Opera.
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