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You mean to tell me there is possible illegal activity surrounding with the purchase of a criminal outfit? I for one am shocked and outraged that an organization who would buy a website whose entire business model revolved around copyright infringement would even consider insider trading. 
Oh, and no. Their business plan will utterly fail because the content producers won't pay them and they won't be able to pay the people bootlegging the material for them. If they have a board of directors and the board didn't approve of this, criminal charges should be filed and the culprit should be ousted. |
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| said by Matt :You mean to tell me there is possible illegal activity surrounding with the purchase of a criminal outfit? I for one am shocked and outraged that an organization who would buy a website whose entire business model revolved around copyright infringement would even consider insider trading.  Oh, and no. Their business plan will utterly fail because the content producers won't pay them and they won't be able to pay the people bootlegging the material for them. If they have a board of directors and the board didn't approve of this, criminal charges should be filed and the culprit should be ousted. so i assume google is now illegal..and yahoo....and msft? cause they all have links to the same thing piratebay did.
so what does PB really do different again? -- www.stopfcc.comI do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob. |
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| reply to Matt said by Matt :You mean to tell me there is possible illegal activity surrounding with the purchase of a criminal outfit? I for one am shocked and outraged that an organization who would buy a website whose entire business model revolved around copyright infringement would even consider insider trading.  Oh, and no. Their business plan will utterly fail because the content producers won't pay them and they won't be able to pay the people bootlegging the material for them. If they have a board of directors and the board didn't approve of this, criminal charges should be filed and the culprit should be ousted. Well Matt, You beat me to the keyboard! It was called the "Pirate Bay"! What is the difference between what is happening now vs. what has happened with all the file sharing (illegal or not)? -- The weekend is here, grab a can of beer! |
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| reply to P Ness said by P Ness :so i assume google is now illegal..and yahoo....and msft? cause they all have links to the same thing piratebay did. so what does PB really do different again? Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. |
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| reply to P Ness said by P Ness :said by Matt :You mean to tell me there is possible illegal activity surrounding with the purchase of a criminal outfit? I for one am shocked and outraged that an organization who would buy a website whose entire business model revolved around copyright infringement would even consider insider trading.  Oh, and no. Their business plan will utterly fail because the content producers won't pay them and they won't be able to pay the people bootlegging the material for them. If they have a board of directors and the board didn't approve of this, criminal charges should be filed and the culprit should be ousted. so i assume google is now illegal..and yahoo....and msft? cause they all have links to the same thing piratebay did. so what does PB really do different again? Google has substantial non-infringing use. TPB does not.
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| reply to Matt said by Matt :"The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." And the torrents contain no property of the complainants, therefore the appropriate thing to do is tell them to go f**k themselves. Oh but according to you it's illegal to make fun of someone who tells you to do something that they have no right to tell you to do.
DMCA takedown requests are to be used to remove your own intellectual property from someone elses server, since tpb hosted none of their property it means DMCA requests have no bearing. Oh wait, there's also the matter of them not being in the USA, and thus not being obligated to respond to DMCA requests etc... You are aware that there are other countries right? and that US law doesn't apply in them any more than their laws apply to you. --
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  Goober Premium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL 3 edits | Simple contributory infringement. No need for the DMCA.
Look up Berne Convention and TRIPs (may or may not apply where the TPB guys are).
Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. |
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| reply to james said by james :said by Matt :"The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." And the torrents contain no property of the complainants, therefore the appropriate thing to do is tell them to go f**k themselves. Oh but according to you it's illegal to make fun of someone who tells you to do something that they have no right to tell you to do. DMCA takedown requests are to be used to remove your own intellectual property from someone elses server, since tpb hosted none of their property it means DMCA requests have no bearing. Oh wait, there's also the matter of them not being in the USA, and thus not being obligated to respond to DMCA requests etc... You are aware that there are other countries right? and that US law doesn't apply in them any more than their laws apply to you. Apparently the Swedish Courts don't agree with you. See what Goober said, there is no need for me to reiterate it. |
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| reply to Goober said by Goober :Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. Yes, because an agreement written in 1886 would be so relevant to a torrenting website. Like I said, if they were hosting the actual files you would have a point, but as it stands the only reason they lost their case was because of the douchebag RIAA shill judge who should be removed from his position, along with the judge who was going to investigate him before she was exposed for being in the same organization. --
said by Metatron2008 :But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer |
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  Goober Premium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL 2 edits | Okay, slowly now . . . contributory infringement.
»www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/what_···em_1.php |
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join:2001-02-26 antarctica | too fast, going to have to slow it down abit more chief. I dont think you threw enough spaces in there. |
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1 edit | reply to james said by james :said by Goober :Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. Yes, because an agreement written in 1886 would be so relevant to a torrenting website. Like I said, if they were hosting the actual files you would have a point, but as it stands the only reason they lost their case was because of the douchebag RIAA shill judge who should be removed from his position, along with the judge who was going to investigate him before she was exposed for being in the same organization. The judge was not a member of the RIAA, but rather a Swedish pro-copyright organization. Of course, this was investigated and the Swedish government didn't feel there was any reason to allow a retrial. This is a very well known, basic fact of the trial.
A torrent is a hash of the copyrighted content. Remove the torrent, you disable the ability to share that instance of said content. This is not a difficult concept but perhaps this will help. If you stand on the street corner and sell a listing of which houses in the neighborhood don't lock their doors and those houses are subsequently broken into, (if law enforcement can prove that your list led to the burglary) you will be charged as an accessory. In the TPB case, they are complicit in facilitating copyright infringement. |
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| said by Matt :Of course, this was investigated and the Swedish government didn't feel there was any reason to allow a retrial. This is a very well known, basic fact of the trial. Oh yes, the Swedish government, maybe they'd like to send their police forces to confiscate some more servers and keep them for years on end with no charges. Heck, maybe they'd like to have some more people retire and get cushy jobs representing the recording industry. Oh but I do trust them when they say there was no reason for a retrial.
Also, your crap about selling information about people's locked doors is quite silly. As long as I wasn't breaking into people's houses to find out the information I would have the argument that it was information that was observable to anyone, that anyone who requested the information already had whatever intentions they had.
People aren't pirating because of the pirate bay, the pirate bay exists (existed) because people pirate. Yarr. --
said by Metatron2008 :But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer |
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  Matt Take me down to the paradise city Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC | What a straw-man. Kudos! |
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| Thanks, I was going to pull some ad-hominem out too but I couldn't do something like that to someone who is quitting caffeine. Good luck. -- [BQUOTE=[user=Metatron2008]]But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer[/BQUOTE] |
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| reply to Matt said by Matt :Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. Repeat after me, "The Pirate bay does NOT host the torrents on their servers and they did make fun of ILLEGAL THREATS by foreign blowhards. Meanwhile companies like Google et al MUST comply with laws that DO apply to them like the DMCA because they OPERATE WITHIN THE USA." -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| reply to Matt Under your logic the guys that stand on hollywood blvd and sells maps to the stars homes could be guilty for accessory to the crime for stalking. Ever seen one of the prosecuted for such?
The reason you haven't is to prove accessory you have to prove that the person in question new what was occurring and assisted in such. TPB has no knowledge of anything in the torrents, titles can mean anything and the there is nothing but a hash in the torrent.
This of course neglects that copyright infringement is rarely prosecuted as the criminal variant and every case run in the US has been a civil case. But who cares about facts when you have your righteous indignation and smug condemnations. |
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join:2002-05-24 Sandy, UT | reply to Goober That's funny, I've found substantial freely available material on TPB. Do a search for Linux and see how many torrents you hit. |
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1 edit | I'll bet you every single penny I own that TPB is substantially a pirating site and that any non-infringing use is absolutely dwarfed by infringing use.
You can't say that about Google. That's the difference. "Substantial" non-infringing use. Not "a relatively tiny little bit of inconsequential" non-infringing use. |
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| reply to KrK said by KrK :said by Matt :Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. Repeat after me, "The Pirate bay does NOT host the torrents on their servers and they did make fun of ILLEGAL THREATS by foreign blowhards. Meanwhile companies like Google et al MUST comply with laws that DO apply to them like the DMCA because they OPERATE WITHIN THE USA." They don't host the torrents? Since when? Here is an example of legal content that I just looked up: »torrents.thepiratebay.org/497629···.torrent |
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