Munky1337
@trios.ca | Wholesale rural? Can you guys sell the rural Broadband over powerlines?
Also if say your DSL over pots is terrible 1.5mbit... what's the chance of having a better profile
with the whole broadband over powerlines? | |
|
 
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Re: Wholesale rural? TekSavvy does not offer broadband over power lines. To my knowledge, that technology died before it ever saw any widespread deployments anyhow.
TekSavvy offers DSL service, and in limited areas in rural Ontario, fibre to the home. | |
|
kewlkeed
Grouch
Premium
join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | BPL never really got off the ground. Won't be seeing any sign of it around Canada. (As far as I know there were zero deployments of it in Canada) | |
|
 |
munky1337
@trios.ca
| Re: Wholesale rural? On the contrary. I do believe bell offers it now and in a extreme large number of areas.
»www.bell.ca/shopping/internet.po···t_Access
Then click on "Check out the cities where Bell Internet Portable and Rural services are available" | |
|
| | LazMan
join:2003-03-26
Angus, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: Wholesale rural? said by munky1337 :On the contrary. I do believe bell offers it now and in a extreme large number of areas. » www.bell.ca/shopping/internet.po···t_AccessThen click on "Check out the cities where Bell Internet Portable and Rural services are available" I believe this is 3G/Cellular/WiMax based, rather then BPL...
BPL has issues with transformers, noise, and RF interference - it was pretty much a niche product, and a non-starter for most commercial deployments. | |
|
| 
JimmyArms
join:2008-01-09
Sault Ste Marie, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by kewlkeed  :BPL never really got off the ground. Won't be seeing any sign of it around Canada. (As far as I know there were zero deployments of it in Canada) They had it in Sault Ste. Marie for a few years but it died out.
It was supposed to be as fast as 5MB but I never saw it over 3MB. It was cheaper and faster to go with cable or dsl. | |
|
kewlkeed
Grouch
Premium
join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | Yeah no that's not BPL. I can gar ron tee Bell has never messed with BPL. They're talking about their 3G/Cell/Wimax/HSPAwhatever stuff. | |
|
Martian3
join:2004-10-17
Lindsay, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Bell's portable and rural internet are both WiMAX-based services. Portable just has an indoor WiMAX modem, while rural uses an outdoor directional antenna for those with a weaker signal.
WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good. | |
|
| 
GNca George
GorillaNET
Premium
join:2008-07-12
Minden, ON
| Re: Wholesale rural? said by Martian3 :Bell's portable and rural internet are both WiMAX-based services. Portable just has an indoor WiMAX modem, while rural uses an outdoor directional antenna for those with a weaker signal. WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good. Innukshuk/Bell/Rogers isn't real WiMax, it was deployed before WiMax became a standard. WiMax-like is a better description.
Xplornet is Motorola Canopy wireless, non-WiMax. Most of their service in these parts is delivered on 900 Mhz and I haven't met a really happy Xplornet customer in a long time. I get at least a couple calls a week from unhappy Xplorenet users looking for better service. Some areas are better than others of course...
George
--
Don't steal, the government doesn't like competition!!! | |
|
| |
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Re: Wholesale rural? Not exactly surprising, does anybody remember how wonderfully effective 900MHz phones were? And those were billed as a big improvement when compared to the ones that came before them :P | |
|
| | pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
| said by GNca George :said by Martian3 :Bell's portable and rural internet are both WiMAX-based services. Portable just has an indoor WiMAX modem, while rural uses an outdoor directional antenna for those with a weaker signal. WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good. Innukshuk/Bell/Rogers isn't real WiMax, it was deployed before WiMax became a standard. WiMax-like is a better description. Xplornet is Motorola Canopy wireless, non-WiMax. Most of their service in these parts is delivered on 900 Mhz and I haven't met a really happy Xplornet customer in a long time. I get at least a couple calls a week from unhappy Xplorenet users looking for better service. Some areas are better than others of course... George Agreed on the not so happy Xplornet comments  Xplornet does have some WiMax deployments in our area and down through Kingston too. It's not widespread with them I don't think but they are using it in certain areas....
--
Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ | |
|
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | And the answer to the other question is that no, TekSavvy almost certainly will never offer Inukshuk access, since it's not regulated and Bell has no obligation to let TekSavvy get any access to that service. | |
|
munky99999
Munky
join:2004-04-10
canada
clubs:
2 edits | Access the Internet anywhere there's a power outlet in 178 cities across Canada.
Power outlet?
I think imma just call up and ask.
I called and asked. Ya it's Wimax.
Crap Crap Double Crap.
Well that pretty much ends this thread 
I guess I'll have to whine until they roll out adsl2. | |
|
|
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Re: Wholesale rural? If you're on dialup, 1.5mbit is still a huge improvement... | |
|
| | 
mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | Re: Wholesale rural? Keeping in mind, it's pre-WiMax and the 1.5 is not guaranteed at all. The price makes it worthless. | |
|
| | |
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Re: Wholesale rural? I was referring to the 1.5mbit DSL he was promised. Which at $30 isn't the worst deal in the world, and is still a big improvement over dialup. | |
|
| | | | |
| | | | |
Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| Re: Wholesale rural? Yeah, and so is 56k. 1.5mbit is still about 25x faster than dialup, not to mention the lower latencies.
It still sucks speed-wise, but it may still be a better alternative.
If he were rich, he could also always bond four of them to get a 6meg connection :P | |
|
munky99999
Munky
join:2004-04-10
canada
clubs:
| 1.5mbit is the dsl I have now.
I was thinking maybe that a different technology such as broadband over power would give me better access to the dslam and perhaps give me better throughput.
adsl2, rdslam i guess is pretty much my only other possibility.
Also I'm not in rural. I'm in the middle of the friggen city. I'm hooked up at the demarc... my central office-dslam is just really far.
Just goes to show how poorly bell has really developed the area. | |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | BPL (Broadband over PowerLines) is a technological nonsense. If there was any chance of it working, we'd have had radio and television over power lines long ago! | |
|
| pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
| Re: Wholesale rural? said by sbrook :BPL (Broadband over PowerLines) is a technological nonsense. If there was any chance of it working, we'd have had radio and television over power lines long ago! It actually worked pretty good - there is still some small deployments active around Ontario. It was plagued with various challenges though and rather complex/expensive to deploy (depending on where etc).
The residential version in your house (to avoid running cat5 or using wireless) works really good - I have it throughout my house, rock solid. But that's a different type of gear all together..;)
--
Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ | |
|
twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | Xplornet is utter crap. They oversubscribe their AP and backhauls so much you can barely get dial-up speeds most of the time.
--
Broadline Networks Inc. | |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors.
BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. | |
|
| 
jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| Re: Wholesale rural? >BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer.
Same thing for cable. It got flomuxed at ever repeater because repeaters were unidirectiuonal. The cable companies had to upgrade repeaters in a neighbourhood to be bidirectional before it could offer true cable.
There was a period where Videotron offered split system with dial-up for upstream and cable for downstream in neighbouhoods that did not have upgraded hardware. | |
|
| pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
| said by sbrook :Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors. BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. Yes, correct - and that was another reason that it failed from a cost perspective. Having electricians etc. wire in around each transformer is very costly
--
Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ | |
|
| |
jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| Re: Wholesale rural? Actually, Hydro Québec has it own fairly extentive telecom network. And Ontario Hydro also has one (although it may have sold its urban one in Toronto, it still would have a large one across the province).
Hydro Québec had, in the 1980s, one of the largest private DECnet network in the world. (I assume that by now, it has pretty much migrated to IP based).
There are a lot of monitoring devices across its network, which is one reason that when you have a power failure, they are often already aware of it. Those require a data network to feed the telemetry back to HQ.
They have their grid in a huge Oracle database and when they type in your address, they can follow the power from your home to the main distribution centres in your region.
This is not too different from natural gas distributors. If you're going to dig up a street to install gas mains, you might as well add a few conduits that you can string fibre through. | |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Correct, they do run their networks independent from the power lines. I did some work for electricity boards in the UK many years ago, and telemetry was extensive ... and they were experimenting with "over power lines" but it was, comapratively speaking, unreliable.
The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories. | |
|
| |
| |
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Wholesale rural? That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. | |
|
| | | |
| | | |
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Wholesale rural? Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway. | |
|
| | | | |
GNca George
GorillaNET
Premium
join:2008-07-12
Minden, ON
| Re: Wholesale rural? Water smart metering up here runs on 900 MHz, and we have ongoing projects to fix the disaster that was initially installed.
Its nice to be needed. 
--
Don't steal, the government doesn't like competition!!! | |
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
See 9 replies to this post |
|
|
|
|
