LazMan
join:2003-03-26
Angus, ON
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Re: Wholesale rural?
said by mlerner  :said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? I've got a smart meter; however, they (HydroOne Networks, just outside of Barrie ON) are still reading them manually - the meter was installed about a year ago, for "future upgrades"
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON | reply to sbrook
Possible I don't know about Ottawa specifically. |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to mlerner
My understanding was Ottawa was using digital onto the power line. |
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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said by Angelo_ :i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P Forget the chance to charge you $50 more? Nah hydro companies are one of the greediest. |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to mlerner
i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P |
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mlerner
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said by Angelo_ :said by mlerner :said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area... The hydro company probably hasn't completed deployments yet. Ottawa just finished most of it and they're all slowly rolling them out. |
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Angelo_
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said by mlerner :said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area... |
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mlerner
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said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to mlerner
i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old |
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mlerner
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said by sbrook :Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway. Yes I believe in Ottawa it's an older style everywhere but most other cities have a wired setup. |
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GNca George
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Minden, ON
| reply to sbrook
Water smart metering up here runs on 900 MHz, and we have ongoing projects to fix the disaster that was initially installed.
Its nice to be needed. 
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to mlerner
Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway. |
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mlerner
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said by sbrook :That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. Well the current smart meter system uses the telephone wiring in the house and cell data as backup. |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to mlerner
That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. |
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mlerner
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said by sbrook :The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories. Isn't it easier and less expensive to use smart meters that use cell data? |
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sbrook
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Correct, they do run their networks independent from the power lines. I did some work for electricity boards in the UK many years ago, and telemetry was extensive ... and they were experimenting with "over power lines" but it was, comapratively speaking, unreliable.
The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories. |
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jfmezei
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Actually, Hydro Québec has it own fairly extentive telecom network. And Ontario Hydro also has one (although it may have sold its urban one in Toronto, it still would have a large one across the province).
Hydro Québec had, in the 1980s, one of the largest private DECnet network in the world. (I assume that by now, it has pretty much migrated to IP based).
There are a lot of monitoring devices across its network, which is one reason that when you have a power failure, they are often already aware of it. Those require a data network to feed the telemetry back to HQ.
They have their grid in a huge Oracle database and when they type in your address, they can follow the power from your home to the main distribution centres in your region.
This is not too different from natural gas distributors. If you're going to dig up a street to install gas mains, you might as well add a few conduits that you can string fibre through. |
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pstewart
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Peterborough, ON
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said by sbrook :Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors. BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. Yes, correct - and that was another reason that it failed from a cost perspective. Having electricians etc. wire in around each transformer is very costly 
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jfmezei
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>BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer.
Same thing for cable. It got flomuxed at ever repeater because repeaters were unidirectiuonal. The cable companies had to upgrade repeaters in a neighbourhood to be bidirectional before it could offer true cable.
There was a period where Videotron offered split system with dial-up for upstream and cable for downstream in neighbouhoods that did not have upgraded hardware. |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to Munky1337
Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors.
BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. |
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